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Why Shia Say (a.s) After The Names Of Imams (a.s)?


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#1 Aabiss_Shakari

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 02:44 AM

(salam)

(bismillah)

Surah Yasin Ayat No. 1

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Ya Seen.


Every one knows that Prophet (pbuh) has been called Yasin by Quran. This is one of the name of Prophet (pbuh). Now see what Surah Saf'at Ayat No. 130 says.


ÓóáóÇãñ Úóáóìٰ Åöáú íóÇÓöíäó


Which means "Salam on Aal-e-Yaseen" (Salam on Aal of Prophet (pbuh). When Quran says (a.s) for Aal of Prophet (pbuh) then why Sunnis object us on saying (a.s) after the names of Imams (a.s)?


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#2 Vigilare

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Posted 29 April 2012 - 03:42 AM

I think this is a reaction to shias using that term rather than it being wrong to use per se. It's been said that Bukhari used that term as well, and this thread provides some more details:

http://www.yanabi.co...s-of-ahle-bayt/

Edited by Vigilare, 29 April 2012 - 03:43 AM.


#3 HamzaTR

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 02:39 PM

alaikom salam
thanks for the info..
Real Sunni Imams also said "alayhissalam" or for plural "alayhimossalam" for the twelve imams.. It's the ones who tried to cause discord among muslims stressing on such topics and claiming such sayings are wrong.. the link that Vigilare shared explains a lot..
Just to add, on reading Razi's Tafsir (Tafsir al-Kabir) Maidah 54-55-56 verses (Turkish Translation).. I saw a footnote (translater's note) saying; "we sunnis don't say (a.s) for Imams, he (Razi) sould have known that. Why did he do that?".. So, some radicals claiming to be sunnis, trying to teach their imams how to be sunnis.. Crazy..
In conclusion, Shias and some Sunnis following their true leaders say (a.s) when they mention the twelve Imams of Muslims inshaAllah

#4 Fatima Hussain

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 02:41 PM

I think it is stupid that Sunnis say R.A. after Ali's name...We already know Allah is pleased with him....

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Posted 10 May 2012 - 11:12 PM

That ayah says "Salamun 'ala ilyasin". This view is backed up by the fact that previous and the ayaat that come after consist of "Salams" being send upon prophets/messengers.

And verily, Iliyâs (Elias) was one of the Messengers (123) When he said to his people: "Will you not fear Allâh? (124) "Will you call upon Ba'l (a well- known idol of his nation whom they used to worship) and forsake the Best of creators, (125) "Allâh, your Lord and the Lord of your forefathers?" (126) But they denied him [Iliyâs (Elias)], so they will certainly be brought forth (to the punishment), (127) Except the chosen slaves of Allâh. (128) And We left for him (a goodly remembrance) among the later generations (to come) in later times; (129) Salâm (peace) be upon Ilyâsîn (Elias)!" (130) Verily, thus do We reward the Muhsinûn (good-doers, who perform good deeds totally for Allâh's sake only - see V.2:112) (131) Verily, he was one of Our believing slaves. (132) And verily, Lut (Lot) was one of the Messengers (133)



In regards to saying R.A after Ali (ra), Sunnis do it for all the companions. We add R.A even after the name of the ten who were promised paradise (Ali is part of the 10) such as Umar (ra), Uthman, Saeed (ra) etc etc. It's not 'stupid', its merely asking Allah to be pleased with the good deeds of the greatest generation of this Ummah.

Edited by Abu Muslim, 10 May 2012 - 11:14 PM.


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Posted 11 May 2012 - 12:59 PM

Nasibis that's why

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Posted 11 May 2012 - 05:32 PM

I think it is stupid that Sunnis say R.A. after Ali's name...We already know Allah is pleased with him....



not just hazrat ali a.s. yazeed la also we c in there history to be called R.A ---killer and killed both are R.A according to them !

#8 Kismet110

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Posted 14 May 2012 - 09:48 AM

Sunnis don't like calling a spade a spade. They rather call it (ra) than differentiate between it and and a shovel.

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Posted 11 August 2012 - 11:25 PM

That ayah says "Salamun 'ala ilyasin". This view is backed up by the fact that previous and the ayaat that come after consist of "Salams" being send upon prophets/messengers. [/color][/size][/color][/size]


Brother you have a point but it is quite apparent that it is not "Salamun 'ala ilyasin" it is "Salamun Ala Aal e Yaseen". Do you want to say that some Tehreef of Quran has happened in this verse?

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Posted 13 August 2012 - 11:23 AM

Shi'as say (as) because Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì sends his Salaam to many of his servants.


[37. Surah As-Saffat : Ayah 109]
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Peace be on Ibrahim (alaihi salaam).
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[37. Surah As-Saffat : Ayah 120]
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Peace be on Musa (alaihi salaam) and Haroun (alaihi salaam).
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Peace be on Ilyas (alaihi salaam).

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And peace be on the apostles.

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We also see (ra) in the Qur'an a few times, but never directly after the name of a Prophet. I also find it odd that if the 'Ashra Mubashiras' [1) Abu Bakr 2) Omar3) Uthman 4) Ali 5) Talha 6) al-Zubair 7) Saad bin Abi aqqass 8) Saeed bin Zaid 9) Abdulrahman bin `Awf and 10) Abu `Ubaida binal-Jarrah] were promised Jannah during their lives, they wouldn't need (ra) after their names because Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì must already be pleased with them to be promising heaven to them!

Edited by GodBlessAli, 13 August 2012 - 11:25 AM.


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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:29 AM

I think it is stupid that Sunnis say R.A. after Ali's name...We already know Allah is pleased with him....

@ fatima hussain
So why do you say as? Cause he isn't in peace? Who's stupid now

Allah sends it down on his messengers and prophets and whom else Allah pleases, cause Allah is the creator

I don't see Allah saying alaihisalam on your imams

Don't bother with ambiguous sratements from Quran

I want names too. PROVIDED in the verses, this is where shia claims just cracks up. You claim this n that from Quran, but funnily enough we can use the same verses against you!

Bring your proof if you are truthful.

Your imams with names with proof of infalibilty from Quran.
Its simple if you aint liars.

So what's so evil about saying RA to them?

Prophets are chosen by Allah as u can see from above posts, by names and honor.

Your ayatullahs have no honor of place in Quran, neither does your currupted belief

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Posted 14 August 2012 - 11:37 AM

I really want to know why sunnies call umar r.a.?

That makes no sense



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