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Why I'm Lucky To Live In Iran, Not The Usa


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#51 Pascal

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:04 AM

This tit for tat is silly. The practice of justifying the human right abuses of your country by pointing the finger at the abuses committed by your adversaries trivializes those who have suffered on either side of the political spectrum.

Unless people in their respective camps don't actually acknowledge that everyone has blood on their hands? If that is the case then you are so blinded by your political loyalties that you have forgotten that power tends to corrupt those of all races, religions, and political leanings. Distinctions can definitely made between abusers and levels of abuse.. but we have to stay human to be qualified to make those distinctions.


I'm so sick of seeing this very thing here.

The fact is whenever you bring up one human rights abuse the USA has comitted, you can bring up one that happened in Iran.

Edited by kingpomba, 01 March 2012 - 12:05 AM.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:10 AM

I'm so sick of seeing this very thing here.

The fact is whenever you bring up one human rights abuse the USA has comitted, you can bring up one that happened in Iran.


The brother who started this thread took the wrong approach...

He should question the very concept of "human rights" itself. It never was a genuine idea, but rather part of a subtle plan for transition from colonialism to neo-colonialism.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:49 AM

Look! What corrupt secular politicians have done in western world,
And decide based on your own honest conscience,

Corrupt secular politicians are after illegal money, illegal partnerships, illegal transactions, etc.
And due to which social justice has died in western world,

Today, western society has become insecure politically, ideologically and financially,
The whole system has turned into a huge injustice,

In western world, corrupt rich control wealth and power,
While ordinary westerners possess nothing except miseries and crisis,

There is no single person in power in the whole western world, who could change the course in favor of ordinary westerners,
Except Pope but he is sidelined and politically and ideologically irrelevant,

Whenever corrupt rich take hold of a society,
They first kill religion,
As they once tried to kill Jesus,
This is in the imbalanced nature of corrupt rich,

Thanks God,
In Iran religion is alive,
In Iran love and heat of relation and touch is alive,
In Iran people and government and their touch and connection and relation is alive,

In Iran,
Killers of Jesus and Imam Hussein can never take hold of Iran,

And that’s why Iran is the shelter of humanity and kindness,
This is the real support of Iran worldwide because Iran is sincere to all human beings,

If you work for God and humanity,
God and humanity works for you silently,

While, corrupt greedy western politicians know nothing about God and humanity,
They cheat and loot their own people.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:31 AM

The brother who started this thread took the wrong approach...

He should question the very concept of "human rights" itself. It never was a genuine idea, but rather part of a subtle plan for transition from colonialism to neo-colonialism.


Human rights as a concept existed long before Wilson and his 14 point speech or other feeble attempts at strategically and selectively implementing justice when it is convenient to do so.

Human rights is a real concept that has deep rooted theoretical and anthropological underpinnings. We can argue vigorously about its ineffective or hypocritical implementation, about its domestic v international scope, or about what rights need to be respected.. but very few people would challenge the moral imperative that slaughtering innocents, raping women, or torturing political prisoners is justified simply due to the fact that certain international organizations like NATO or the UN pay more attention to one country over another.


This is one of the most false slogans that has ever been uttered. And it is repeated a lot. In the US, high school history classes teach this as gospel.

But it's not true.

If you see that someone is "good" and then he gains power and becomes "corrupted," this is not that power corrupted him! No. He was corrupt from the beginning; power tested him, and he failed the test.

We are all tested in different ways. Not all people lust after power. Some people may lust after money. Others may lust after women. Others may lust after fame/notoriety/recognition. There are an infinite number of ways in which people are tested. Power is one way; if someone appears to have been corrupted by power, it is in fact that before he had power, his true nature had not been put to the test!!

For example: a barefoot, hungry person; would you call him "not greedy"??? How would you even know that he is not greedy, if you have not seen him be in a position where he has something to be greedy about?!?!?!

So this slogan is incorrect. People come to believe in these slogans from reading ridiculous books like Animal Farm.



P.S. many individuals have been given this test, and passed!!


My point wasn't that power corrupts everyone regardless of these characteristics, but rather that it doesn't spare anyone because they have a certain race, religion, political leaning, etc.

Everyone is susceptible to it and not being corrupted by power tends to be the exception rather than the general trend. I am not even making a statement against entire governmental structures but rather referring more generally toward law enforcement and judges in the United States and elsewhere who abuse their power to extract benefits, monetary or otherwise. While these observations are not the product of reading Animal Farm, Orwell can hardly be faulted for pointing out an extremely obvious societal underpinning in his body of work.

Edited by Zahratul_Islam, 02 March 2012 - 02:37 AM.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 03:35 AM

Religion is must for human beings,
Religion is the identity of human beings,
Religion is the light of human dignity that connects it with God,

Without religion, human beings are helpless,
Without religion, human beings are crowds,
Without religion, human beings are at the mercy of corrupt rich,

Religion plays vital role in human society,
Religion gives people confidence,
Religion is paradise,
Religion gives people dignity,
Religion makes people flowers,
Religion connects people of different walks of life into one great garden of nation,

This religion does not exist in western world,
And that’s why westerners have lost their identity,
Because, matters, materials and mechanics can never satisfy delegate human soul,

Mechanics can produce movements,
Mechanics, however, can never produce smiles,
Westerners will know it soon when romance with mechanics will end,

After a daylong ‘hard work’ with mechanical objects,
They will return back to mother for the love and happiness in the evening one day,
Westerners know that by nature so that their return is definite,

Thanks God,
Religion is not absent in Iran,
Religion is part of life in Iran,

Salam bar Khomini,
The great man who redeveloped the forgotten love for religion in the hearts and minds of Iranians again,

Salam bar Khamenei,
The great man, who safeguarded the ideals of founder of nation well,

Salam bar Iranians,
A great nation of those, who do not sell the dignity of land Iran and soul of land Islam in any condition,

That’s why; Iran is the land of dignity, humanity, independence and peace for years,
And that’s why Iranians live in Iran with proud and happiness.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 06:19 AM

The brother who started this thread took the wrong approach...

He should question the very concept of "human rights" itself. It never was a genuine idea, but rather part of a subtle plan for transition from colonialism to neo-colonialism.


Yeah because to hell with freedom! I'm so sick of my government letting people say what they want and even...shock horror!...things i dont agree with. Beat 'em and put them in prison i say. While we're at it how about we go and censor the internet just for fun too.

Those bloody minorities...always ruining our country...lets not let them into university...that'll show them. While we're at it want to start a millitia to beat up protestors and slowly infilitrate the government? While we have the ball rolling might as well force everyone to wear disco-suits whether they like it or not under threat of judicial punishment.

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Apparently even Press TV admits the Bahai get a bad deal:

"Followers of the Bahai sect -- founded in Iran in 1863 -- are regarded as infidels and have been persecuted both before and after the 1979 Islamic Revolution. " http://edition.press...tail/85798.html

http://www.presstv.i...ail/169596.html Damn them for making childrens books...how dare they draw cartoons...

Edited by kingpomba, 02 March 2012 - 06:33 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:20 AM

Yeah because to hell with freedom! I'm so sick of my government letting people say what they want and even...shock horror!...things i dont agree with. Beat 'em and put them in prison i say. While we're at it how about we go and censor the internet just for fun too.

Those bloody minorities...always ruining our country...lets not let them into university...that'll show them. While we're at it want to start a millitia to beat up protestors and slowly infilitrate the government? While we have the ball rolling might as well force everyone to wear disco-suits whether they like it or not under threat of judicial punishment.


Sounds like the United States of America.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 08:38 AM

Sounds like Iran too, i'm no lover of america, so fair critcism.

Edited by kingpomba, 02 March 2012 - 08:39 AM.


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Posted 02 March 2012 - 10:00 AM

Apparently even Press TV admits the Bahai get a bad deal:

"Followers of the Bahai sect -- founded in Iran in 1863 -- are regarded as infidels and have been persecuted both before and after the 1979 Islamic Revolution. " http://edition.press...tail/85798.html

http://www.presstv.i...ail/169596.html Damn them for making childrens books...how dare they draw cartoons...


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You forgot this one.

'Iran provides Bahais with all facilities'

Iran's Prosecutor General, Qorban-Ali Dorri-Najafabadi, has said the Bahai sect in Iran is using the same facilities as other Iranians.


"The Iranian government has provided the Bahai sect in Iran with all the facilities offered to other Iranian citizens," Najafabadi said in an interview with Press TV on Monday.

The top Iranian judiciary official made the remarks in response to Western claims that the Islamic Republic has violated the rights of Bahais in Iran.

According to the Iranian cleric, there is irrefutable evidence that many adherents of the Bahai sect are in close contact with the enemies of the Iranian nation and have strong links to the Zionist regime.

"We have always showed great kindness to the Bahai citizens in Iran. We just oppose such relations," he explained.

Although members of the Bahai sect have admitted their charges in various cases, the West, especially the United States, claims that Iran has violated their human rights by making attempts to suppress the cult.

"We (as the state) offer a variety of services to the Bahai sect in Iran and respect them as human beings, but not as insiders, spies, or a political grouplet supported by Britain and Israel to cause disturbance in Iran," Najafabadi went on to say.

Source: http://edition.press...tail/86582.html

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:04 PM

Bahai' World Center - Haifa, Israel - http://www.bahai.org/dir/bwc

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 12:44 PM

Bahai' World Center - Haifa, Israel - http://www.bahai.org/dir/bwc

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Yes, it is always puzzling when oppressed minorities in the Middle East turn to Israel/America for help. :rolleyes:

They don't owe anyone anything.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 01:23 PM

Today, in western world,
Prostitution is cheap,
Education is expensive,
Is that people’s friendly structure???

Today, in western world,
Wine is cheap,
Tuition fee is unbearable,
Is that people’s friendly structure???

Today, in western world,
You can buy a youngster of sixteen years in few pounds for the whole night enjoyment,
But you can’t get education at your doorstep as easy as that,
Is that people’s friendly structure???

Today, in western world,
With £9000 you can buy twenty six bottles of henri boillot,
This is the price of education for one single student for a whole year!!!
Is that people’s friendly structure???

Today, in western world,
There is very cheap tax on bankers, executives, corporations and wine,
There is a huge tax on education!!!
Is that people’s friendly structure???

Today, in western world,
Corrupt Murdoch is investigated after he has spent his whole life in the ocean of corruption,
And innocent poor students are commanded: “Please show £9000 first before admission”!!!
They destroy the whole life of student before the start even,
They protect corrupt and put him on ‘parrot trials’ after half a century,
Is that people’s friendly structure???

Where is justice???
How anyone can claim happiness with such level of injustice and discrimination in a society with students???

And then they sell wine on cheap price,
So that drunk could sing: “we are happy”.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:10 PM

Yes, it is always puzzling when oppressed minorities in the Middle East turn to Israel/America for help. :rolleyes:

They don't owe anyone anything.


Their center has been in Haifa since before the revolution. Before the revolution, Bahais were far from "oppressed" in Iran (well, I would venture to say that they are not oppressed today, but whatever...). Before the revolution, they were a favored group in society and they got all sorts of brownie points.

So the above argument doesn't cut it.

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:34 PM

Those poor bahai minorities, how sad indeed that after all of that persecution by the evil Islamic regime, they are forced to retreat into Kibbutz-uzi territory. One would almost forget their dealings with the British empire, and how they were part of the Shah's personal elite, in an effort to consolidate power.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 02:08 AM

Bahai' World Center - Haifa, Israel - http://www.bahai.org/dir/bwc

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Its in Israel.. big deal? Unless you're one of those racists who thinks all jewish people are bad...then go back to your nazi party meeting, i dont even want to see you.

Not all jewish people are zionists...you realise this right? Just because its based in israel so what? It was the cradle of all the worlds monotheistic faiths...kind of makes sense it base it on that chunk of land today that we call israel.

Edited by kingpomba, 03 March 2012 - 02:08 AM.


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Posted 03 March 2012 - 03:53 AM

Today, in western world,
Prostitution is cheap,


You won't find it cheaper than in India, Philippines, Thailand or Cambodia. They're not in the western world.

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Posted 03 March 2012 - 10:41 AM

That and while prostitution is regrettable in the west the conditions are actually a lot better than some of the horrible ones the women in those countries would endure.



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