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#1 farazhaider88

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Posted 11 December 2011 - 03:24 AM

me and my sunni friend having a chat regarding matam and then he give me these links, can any one tell me what to answer him now.

Faroo-e-kafi vol.1 Kitab-ul-Janaiz Ch:80 hadees:1 page:333

" Farmayah Hazrat ny ky Rona, Peetna, Mon per Tamanchy Marna, Seena Kootna, Sar ky Ball Nochna, aour Nooha Karna yeh Soorat taraky Sabber hy or Sahih Tareeqy ko chodna hy"

Faroo-e-kafi vol.1 Kitab-ul-Janaiz Ch:78 hadees:7 page:328

" Hazrat Muhammed(s.a.w) ky farzand Tahir ka jab inteqal hoa to App(s.a.w) ny beby Khadeja ko Rony sy manna kiya or farmayah kiya toom Is per Razi nahy ky osy Janat ky darwazy per khara pao"

Nahjul Balagha Part 3 page 745 Irshad 322

"Hazrat Ali(R.A) aik jaga sy guzery to kuch orten Maqtooleen per Giryah ker rahy then itny men os qabeely ky sardar ap ky khidmat men hazer hoye to Hazrat Ali R.A os per naraz hoye or kaha ky kiya tomhara bas in orton per nahy chalta ky inhen giryah kerny sy maana ker sako"


pleasee respong urgently regarding this. thankyou.

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 02:30 PM

i dont understand urdu...

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Posted 14 December 2011 - 06:06 PM

Proof of matam and grief from Quran... Quran takes precedence on Hadith.

وَتَوَلَّىٰ عَنْهُمْ وَقَالَ يَا أَسَفَىٰ عَلَىٰ يُوسُفَ وَابْيَضَّتْ عَيْنَاهُ مِنَ الْحُزْنِ فَهُوَ كَظِيمٌ {84}
[Shakir 12:84] And he turned away from them, and said: O my sorrow for Yusuf! and his eyes became white on account of the grief, and he was a repressor (of grief).

Allah praising Yaqoob (as) for his grief for Yusuf's (as) loss.

Besides why are you arguing. Read this: http://www.shiachat....__fromsearch__1

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 08:24 AM

Ahle sunnat references for accepting the mourning of Sayyida Zaynab (as) on the martyrdom of Imam Husayn (as) are.
Al Bidaya wa al Nihaya, Volume 8 page 177
Tareekh Kamil Volume 4 page 30
Tareekh Tabari Volume 7 Page 324.

Sayyida Zaynab (as) is the elder daughter of "Gate of knowledge" and the leader of the believers Imam Ali (as) and Sayyida Zahra (as) who is the daughter of Apostle of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì. The princess brought up by the great teachers of religion and trained in an atmosphere of learning and education cannot be ignorant of the Divine laws of religion. On seeing the calamities of the grandson of the Prophet (s), the mother of all calamities and woes, became impatient. She mourned on three occasions in Karbala. When the grand daughter of the Prophet (s) was brought into the city of Kufa as prisoner her calamity became more severe. When she saw the head of Imam (as) on the pointed end of lance, she stroke her head on the wooden part of the saddle in extreme grief and blood started flowing from her head.


Jab hazrat ameer hamza shaheed huye thay jab rasool ne b matam kia tha..or ager ap ne parha ho tou jung uhad mai jab rasool ki daanth e mubarak shaheed hogaya tha jabhi ik sahabhi ne shidhat muhubbat mai apnay saray danth tor liye thay..jab...... tou rasool ne unko mana nahi kia k yeh gunnah hai ya biddath hai..waisay he hum hussaini apne mola ka ghum manaty hain or pheli baar matam bibi zanaib ne kia tha or bataya tha sab ko k karbala mai kia hua..




http://www.answering...ri/en/chap3.php i hope this may help u..

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 09:08 AM

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Posted 15 December 2011 - 04:10 PM

me and my sunni friend having a chat regarding matam and then he give me these links, can any one tell me what to answer him now.

Faroo-e-kafi vol.1 Kitab-ul-Janaiz Ch:80 hadees:1 page:333

" Farmayah Hazrat ny ky Rona, Peetna, Mon per Tamanchy Marna, Seena Kootna, Sar ky Ball Nochna, aour Nooha Karna yeh Soorat taraky Sabber hy or Sahih Tareeqy ko chodna hy"

Faroo-e-kafi vol.1 Kitab-ul-Janaiz Ch:78 hadees:7 page:328

" Hazrat Muhammed(s.a.w) ky farzand Tahir ka jab inteqal hoa to App(s.a.w) ny beby Khadeja ko Rony sy manna kiya or farmayah kiya toom Is per Razi nahy ky osy Janat ky darwazy per khara pao"

Nahjul Balagha Part 3 page 745 Irshad 322

"Hazrat Ali(R.A) aik jaga sy guzery to kuch orten Maqtooleen per Giryah ker rahy then itny men os qabeely ky sardar ap ky khidmat men hazer hoye to Hazrat Ali R.A os per naraz hoye or kaha ky kiya tomhara bas in orton per nahy chalta ky inhen giryah kerny sy maana ker sako"


pleasee respong urgently regarding this. thankyou.

salam,

refrence from nahjul balagha and other books appear to be out of context. If possible scan the page wth reference of Publishe,.
likewise the other two quotes may also be scanned and the complete page may be posted.Then only comment can be made.

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Posted 26 December 2011 - 07:02 AM

me and my sunni friend having a chat regarding matam and then he give me these links, can any one tell me what to answer him now.

Faroo-e-kafi vol.1 Kitab-ul-Janaiz Ch:80 hadees:1 page:333

" Farmayah Hazrat ny ky Rona, Peetna, Mon per Tamanchy Marna, Seena Kootna, Sar ky Ball Nochna, aour Nooha Karna yeh Soorat taraky Sabber hy or Sahih Tareeqy ko chodna hy"

Faroo-e-kafi vol.1 Kitab-ul-Janaiz Ch:78 hadees:7 page:328

" Hazrat Muhammed(s.a.w) ky farzand Tahir ka jab inteqal hoa to App(s.a.w) ny beby Khadeja ko Rony sy manna kiya or farmayah kiya toom Is per Razi nahy ky osy Janat ky darwazy per khara pao"

Nahjul Balagha Part 3 page 745 Irshad 322

"Hazrat Ali(R.A) aik jaga sy guzery to kuch orten Maqtooleen per Giryah ker rahy then itny men os qabeely ky sardar ap ky khidmat men hazer hoye to Hazrat Ali R.A os per naraz hoye or kaha ky kiya tomhara bas in orton per nahy chalta ky inhen giryah kerny sy maana ker sako"


pleasee respong urgently regarding this. thankyou.


salam brother,
ap ne ju sawal pocha ye aitraz aksar sunni hazraat ki taraf se kia jata he, bad kismati se hamary ulma hamain in sawalat k liye tayar nai krte ya shayad muj jese log apni nalaiki ki waja se kuch nai seekhty, me apni c koshish krta hon jawab dene ki.
Sub se pehle chalty hen mashahor kisaiy Yousaf a.s. Ki taraf,
1- jub hazrat Yousaf k bhaiyon ne unhen kunwain me dal dia or ja k apnay bap hazrat Yaqoob a.s. Ko btaya k Yousaf a.s. Ko bheriya (wolf) kha gaya tu ap ne farmaya k nahi tum jhot boltay ho wo zinda he or betay k gham me 40 sal (i think) musalal girya krty rahay. (ye janty huay b k wo zinda hain) Yani rotay rahay yahan tak k un ki ankhen safed ho gayen or jism mubarak par keray reengany lagay.

2- jange ohad k bad Hazoor (pbuh) madina ki ek gali se guzray tu ap ko ronay ki awazain ayen. Malom hua k ek sahabi r.a. Ju k jang me shaheed ho gay hen un k liye roya ja raha he. Ye sun kar pyary Nabi (pbuh) ki ankhon se anso rawan ho gay or farmaya k mere chacha (janab Hamza r.a.) ko rone wala koi nai he. Phr kuch aurtain ayen or Hazrat Hamza ka Pursa dia.

3- Janab Umme Salma bayan farmati hen k ek dafa mene Rasol Pak ko bohat ziada pareshan or muztrab paya. Pochnay par Hazrat Mohammad (pbuh) ne farmay k ay Umme Salma ek waqt esa ay ga k mera Hussain karbala me shaheed kr dia jay ga ye farmaty huay AAP ki ankhon se anso rawan ho gay. Phr AAP Hazrat ne muje ek bartin me mitti di or farmaya k jub ye laho ban jay tu samaj lena Hussain a.s. Ko shaheed kr dia gaya. Hazoor k wasal k kai salon bad ek roz wo mitti khon ho gai me samajh gai k mazloome karbala ko shaheed kr dia gaya or me rone lagi.

4- marvi he k ek dafa khatoone jannat apany baba se milne tashrif lain tu Hazoor (pbuh) Ki mubarak ankhon se anso rawan thay pochnay par farmaya k ay Fatima s.a. Abi jabriel amin tashrif lay thay or muje khabar di he k Hussain a.s. Ko karbala me shaheed kar dia jay ga ye sun kar janab Fatima (sa) b ronay lagain.

5- bayan kia jata he k hazrat Awais karni (ra) ko jub khabar mili k Rasol Khuda (pbh) kay dant mubarak Shaheed ho gay hen tu ap ne shidat gham me apnay dant tor liye (prof for zanjeer zani) or sakht girya kia.

6- karbala k sanhay k bad janab Rubab s.a. Ne kabi thanda pani na pia or na kabhi chaon me bethain (imam Zain Ul Abideen a.s. K kehne k bawajod, ap ne farmay k beta behasiyat Imam muje hukam na dena k phir me inkar na kar sakon gi, Sirf bahasiyat beta muje kehna) yahan tak k ap ki rooh janat ko parwaz kar gai.

7- jub b majalis aza karwai jatein tu Imam Zain Ul Abideen a.s. Ko zaror bulaya jata or ap kabi mana na kartay (yad rahay k karbala k bad ap ne ghar se nikalna chor dia tha) balkay har majlis me hazar hotay or bohat girya farmatay.

Bhai upar diye gay waqyat me mene koshish ki he k haqiqat ap k samnay aa jay. Sabat hota he k 2 Nabion, Rasol a.s. Ki beti or biwi, sahabi Rasol, pak bibi Rubab or imam sajjad ne girya kia he. pehele waqya ap ko quran pak ki kisi b tafseer me mil jay ga. Dosra b aksr kutab me aya he. 3rd or 4th molana ashraf thanvi ( he was a wahabi or deobandi) ki kitab tarikhe islam kamil me mil jay ga.
Is k alawa ap mazeed tasali k liye abdul karim mushtaq ki kitab mashahor 14 maslay parh saktay hen, is me ju ahadis ap ne byan farmai hen un k ravi b shayd galat sabat kiye gay hen.


Waslam
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