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#1 Excalibur

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 07:09 PM

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mujhe pata he k alam ka ehteram Hazrat Abbas ki nisbat se he. Laikin kya esa nahin lagta k hum log zaroorat se kuch zyada hi ehteram karte hein?
mein ne to kuch logon ko alam ko sajda karte bhi dekha he.

chalein mana k ye sajda shirk ki niyyat se nahin hota, laikin dekhne wale ko kya lage ga?

dunya wese hi hamari itni mukhalif he, phir unn ko esa mauqa kyoon diya jaye k hamein mazeed badnaam karein? khusoosan koi esi cheez kar ke jis ka mazhab se koi ta'alluq bhi nahin.

Edited by Excalibur, 03 June 2011 - 07:12 PM.


#2 shahid123

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Posted 03 June 2011 - 10:06 PM

ميري بات بہت سے لوگوں کو بري لگے گي۔ اس ليۓ پہلے سے معذرت۔

mujhe pata he k alam ka ehteram Hazrat Abbas ki nisbat se he. Laikin kya esa nahin lagta k hum log zaroorat se kuch zyada hi ehteram karte hein?
mein ne to kuch logon ko alam ko sajda karte bhi dekha he.

chalein mana k ye sajda shirk ki niyyat se nahin hota, laikin dekhne wale ko kya lage ga?

dunya wese hi hamari itni mukhalif he, phir unn ko esa mauqa kyoon diya jaye k hamein mazeed badnaam karein? khusoosan koi esi cheez kar ke jis ka mazhab se koi ta'alluq bhi nahin.



thanx for raising this topic...

Yes this is common thing with the South Asia.....We need to respect the flag of Fatima Zehra(sa)....But here we are seeing, Blankets,shawls, fancy dresses are wrapped on a some wooden sticks,..what is this... Where is The FLAG OF FATIMA ZEHRA(SA) WHICH HAZRAT ABBAS (as) USED TO CARRY...This Might sound Bitter but it has been now made a source of earning ....

Edited by shahid123, 03 June 2011 - 10:06 PM.


#3 Excalibur

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Posted 04 June 2011 - 11:38 PM

بد قسمتي سے اس طريقہ کي چيزيں ہمارے ہاں کافي عام ہيں۔ ميں اگلے عنوانات ميں ان پر سے پردہ اٹھاؤں گا۔
afsos k hamare haan log inn cheezon par behes bhi nahin karte.

Edited by Excalibur, 04 June 2011 - 11:40 PM.


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Posted 08 June 2011 - 09:36 AM

afsos k hamare haan log inn cheezon par behes bhi nahin karte.

Yaa shayad karna nahi chahtay kyunkay jin logon ko yeh baatain sunnay ki zaroorat hai, wo log yeh baatain sunna hi nahi chahtay.

'Azadari humay wirsay main mili hain, hum issay nahi chor saktay...' waghaira waghaira... aisi batain suntay suntay hi bara hua hun main. Kon samjhaye in logon ko kay 2,4 alam sajaanay ko azadari nahi kehtay. Afsoos log alamon par arqe gulaab chiraktay chiraktay, Imam Hussain (as) ka matlab bhoolay jaa rahay hain.

wa (salam)

#5 Qamar Abbas

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Posted 05 January 2012 - 05:46 AM

yay sab kutch is liay hua q k azadari Rasm ban gai, or Rasum ki baz okat koi aqli daleel nahi hua karti, hatta ka anjam deynay wala b nahi janta k is ki zarorat kia hai or kis tarah is azadari say ijtimai satah per istifada kia ja sakta hai?

Azadari barpa karnay walay ya tou isay sawab samjh kar barpa kartay hain ya phir aik abai silsila samjhtay hain,
Khoob yay dono cheezain apni jaga hain magar Azadari ka Hadaf Deen ki baqa hai, duki or pareshan Insaniat ki zulm or istemar say nijaat ka bahtareen wasela yahi Naam e Syed us Shauhda or Yahi Azadari ha

Rooz e Ashura Iran may Youm e Difa k unwan say manaya jata hai !! Yay wohi Rooh e Karbala ha jis say hum ziada ashna nahi hain, or minber say b is qisam ka kam nahi ho raha

#6 MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 12:36 PM

Shai bhee wahabiyo key tarha soochnay laggay hai... her cheez shirk hogaye hai... agar upna pait khoja liyay or khuda say nahi kaha khujanay ko to shirk hogaya....

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Posted 10 January 2012 - 01:59 PM

I wish logon ko samajh aein ye sari batein...Itni ghalat ghalat rasomat raij hein hamarey mashrey mein or samjhaney wala koi nahin... Jo log samjhaney ki koshish karein un par itney fatwey lagaey jatey hein k samjhaney waley ko hi islam k dairey sey baher kar detey hein.

I have seen people specially Women, Mola Abbas a.s ka alam nikalti hein majlison mein lekin hijab ki koi fikr hi nahin hey...dupattey utarey hoey, bal kholey hoey
AllahuAkbar - agur Mola Abbas k samney ye hi aurtein esa kartein to kia Mola bardasht kartey?

Lekin ye sari batein kon samjhaey logon ko...yahan to log apni derh eent ki masjid alug banaey bethey hotey hein.

May Allah Guide Us All!

#8 MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 03:57 PM

Bayhijabi eik bara issue hai lekin iska talooq alam say nahi hai... wohee aurtain baghair hijab ka khayal karay namz bhee parti hai... us waqt koie kiyo nahi tokta... point is bayhijabi ho ya doosray ghalat amal, woh amal ghalat hai lekin us ka talooq Alam say nahi hai...

#9 Qamar Abbas

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:31 AM

Bayhijabi eik bara issue hai lekin iska talooq alam say nahi hai... wohee aurtain baghair hijab ka khayal karay namz bhee parti hai... us waqt koie kiyo nahi tokta... point is bayhijabi ho ya doosray ghalat amal, woh amal ghalat hai lekin us ka talooq Alam say nahi hai...


Bradar e Mun is Alum ka munkir koi nahi, hum us tabkay ki bat kar rahay hain jo in muqaddisaat sa So e Istifada kar rahay hain, chahay wo namaz ho ya Azadari, sab is jung may paray huay hain ka azadari afzal ya namaz afzal magar koi yay kiun nahi sotchta k is naam e Syed us Shauhda or Azadari sa zalimeen se kaisay nabardazma hua jata hai?

yay azadari tou khud humari or deen ki baqa k liay the, aj khud azadari koi he khatray lahak hain, hum nay azadari sa apnay zaati faiday hasil kiyay hain, zakir ko fees mil gae, sunnay walo ko sawab mila, echo or kitchen walo ko paisay mil gae, magar khud is aza nay humay q kisi muqaam tuk nahi pohchaya or aj hum Yazeed e wakt ka samnay zillat sa sir jhukanay per majboor hain ? qasoor is aza ka nahi hai isay rasum may tabdeel karnay walo ka hai, aza Rasum nahi hai Aza tehreek hai, zulm mitanay ki tehreek

yay alum sirf is liay nahi tha k is per manatain charhai jain, is say apnay zaati faiday mangay jain, is say job or visa mangi jae or aullad mangi jae, is alum ki taqat tou yay hai k isay zalimeen k markaz may b garha ja sakta ha, hum in aham tareen cheezo sa intihai chotay kam laytay hain

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Posted 14 January 2012 - 01:36 AM

I wish logon ko samajh aein ye sari batein...Itni ghalat ghalat rasomat raij hein hamarey mashrey mein or samjhaney wala koi nahin... Jo log samjhaney ki koshish karein un par itney fatwey lagaey jatey hein k samjhaney waley ko hi islam k dairey sey baher kar detey hein.

I have seen people specially Women, Mola Abbas a.s ka alam nikalti hein majlison mein lekin hijab ki koi fikr hi nahin hey...dupattey utarey hoey, bal kholey hoey
AllahuAkbar - agur Mola Abbas k samney ye hi aurtein esa kartein to kia Mola bardasht kartey?

Lekin ye sari batein kon samjhaey logon ko...yahan to log apni derh eent ki masjid alug banaey bethey hotey hein.

May Allah Guide Us All!


Bilkul sahi kaha.

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Posted 26 January 2012 - 01:50 PM

(salam)

Thanks to taimoor Lang, jis nay yay sab cheezain ejaad ki theen !

AA

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 02:36 AM

(salam)

Thanks to taimoor Lang, jis nay yay sab cheezain ejaad ki theen !

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Taimur Lang ne eejad ki theen? Kiss tarah?

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 11:15 AM

ميري بات بہت سے لوگوں کو بري لگے گي۔ اس ليۓ پہلے سے معذرت۔

mujhe pata he k alam ka ehteram Hazrat Abbas ki nisbat se he. Laikin kya esa nahin lagta k hum log zaroorat se kuch zyada hi ehteram karte hein?
mein ne to kuch logon ko alam ko sajda karte bhi dekha he.

chalein mana k ye sajda shirk ki niyyat se nahin hota, laikin dekhne wale ko kya lage ga?

dunya wese hi hamari itni mukhalif he, phir unn ko esa mauqa kyoon diya jaye k hamein mazeed badnaam karein? khusoosan koi esi cheez kar ke jis ka mazhab se koi ta'alluq bhi nahin.



In regards to the Alam, we must realize that it is a replica of the flag and the standard of Islam – the standard under which 313 believes defeated an army of over a thousand at Badr, the standard which was planted by Imam Ali (peace be upon him) on the fort of Khaybar, the standard that Abul Fadhl al-Abbas (peace be upon him) lost both arms trying to protect, and the standard under whose shadow the Awaited One (may Allah hasten his reappearance) will receive allegiance from his followers.

The Shabih (icon) of Alam of Hazarat Abbas (A.S) is Sunnah of 4th Imam and Bibi Zainab. Since both hands of Hazarat Abbas were cut off by the enemy while protecting the Alam of Islam. Therefore, Shia install 'Panja' (the symbol of hand) on top of black Alam to memorize the helping hand of Ghazi Abbas. Shia take this as being under constant supervision and protection of Ghazi Abbas Alamdar.

As far as creating replicas of the Alam is concerned, it is interesting to note that Allama Majlisi has narrated from Shaikh al-Mufid and Sayyid Ibn Taoos in the recommendations of 17th Rabi al-Awwal: "If you wish to do Ziyarat of the Holy Prophet at a place other than Medina, then after doing Ghusl, make a small replica of his grave in front of you, and write his name on it. And turn your heart towards him and recite..." (Zaad al-Ma'ad)

Furthermore, we must know the importance of imagery and symbolism when it comes to understanding and appreciating religious values, especially for ordinary people. The most obvious proof of this is in the fact that we turn and pray towards an empty black cuboid five times a day. Or, when we visit the shrines, we hold on to gold and silver cages and beg the Imams to grant our desires. It is not the bricks of the Ka'ba or the gold sarcophagus enclosures that we care about; it is those who symbolically reside within each of these physical constructs whom we venerate.

We keep replicas of the Alam for the same reason that we hang up posters of the Ka'ba, Karbala, Janat ul Baqi or the Prophet's Mosque – because they remind us of the holiness associated with them, and being unfortunate in that we cannot be there physically, the ability to at least touch and kiss these replicas provides somewhat of spiritual relief to a soul yearning nearness to its Masters buried in Karbala and Najaf.


Alams varied in colours in different eras, sometimes white, and at other, green.


The colour of Alam of Karbala was changed to black, upon return of prisoners from Damascus after the events of Karbala. The Alam on the tomb of Imam Hussain is in red colour symbolising the awaited retribution of killing of Imam Hussain and his companions..It is true that many of these symbols and practices are cultural in their origins .But if they serve as a means of attaining the nearness of the Infallibles, surely they deserve our full respect and reverence.

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Posted 16 November 2012 - 02:06 PM

what color is alam supposed to be really? green, black or it can be either colors?



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