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Khamenei And Other Marja's

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I love Sheikh Hamza Sodagar as a speaker, but seriously.. some things he said needs to be questioned:

- Hamza Sodagar said that Khamanei reached the ijtihad after 11 years of studying Bathe-Kharif, and that Khamanei gave lessons when he was 19.. My question is, don't you need other scholars for confirmation if you have reached ijtihad?

- Hamza Sodagar said ' Shaheed Sadr was a mujtahid before he was baligh ' .. (Check 11:10) .. Seriously? How is that possible? One can only be be a mujtahid if he has reached baligh. He also said 'Sayed Khoei said that about Shaheed Sadr', yet did not give any concrete evidence/books to prove this statement.

- Hamza Sodagar said 'When Khamanei got involved in politics, he still gave lessons' .. Where exactly?

Haven't seen the rest of the video.

Eltemase Doa.

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My question is, don't you need other scholars for confirmation if you have reached ijtihad?

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"Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei obtained a licence for ijtihad (deduction of legal judgements) from his teacher, Ayatollah al-Udhma Ha'iri in 1974, after attending bahth ul-kharij for more than fifteen years".

(Ref: Biography of Ayatullah Khamenei, See link )

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"Ayatollah Sayyid Ali Khamenei obtained a licence for ijtihad (deduction of legal judgements) from his teacher, Ayatollah al-Udhma Ha'iri in 1974, after attending bahth ul-kharij for more than fifteen years".

(Ref: Biography of Ayatullah Khamenei, See link )

WS

Thank you clarifying. Was there anyone else?

Eltemase Doa.

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- Hamza Sodagar said ' Shaheed Sadr was a mujtahid before he was baligh ' .. (Check 11:10) .. Seriously? How is that possible? One can only be be a mujtahid if he has reached baligh. He also said 'Sayed Khoei said that about Shaheed Sadr', yet did not give any concrete evidence/books to prove this statement.

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Bro, it's kind of a well known fact that Shaheed Sadr ra.gif was a super genius. I think what Sheikh meant is that he had the qualities to be a mujtahid before being baligh but they obviously had to wait until he turned 15 or whatever to give him the right of ijtihad and for people to follow him, which is exactly what they did. I've heard this many times - on his birthday he was told that Taqleed is now haram for you and you have the right to ijtihad. If I'm not mistaken, only 3 people have ever done this, another one of them being Allama Hilli ra.gif I THINK.

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(salam)

With all due respect, anyone can post something like in their own website. It does not provide any reliability or proof.

Eltemase Doa.

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(salam)

Thank you clarifying. Was there anyone else?

Eltemase Doa.

Salamu alaikum,

If you are talking about his Ijtehad in general, then yes. Automaticaelly Imam Khomeini and the 80 top scholars in majlis alkhobara who appointed Sayyed Ali Khamenei as the supreme leader also witness his ijtehad, because being a mujtahid is a necessary qualification for a supreme leader according to the constitution.

It can be seen in 1:30 of this video

Also Ayatullah Mah Shahroodi the top student of Sayyed Mohammed Baqir al-Sadr.(Who talks about his a'lamiyyat in his book, but we are discussing his ijtehad for now)

Sayyed Kamal al-Haydari witnesses his Ijtehad(on his website)

Sayyed Ali al-Alawi wmoud Hashemi) witnesses his Ijtehad( A prominent mujtahid in Qum)(on his website)

The list goes on but I think this is enough to clarify the point.

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(salam)

Brother, that is the election to choose the next supreme leader.. Nothing got to do with ijtihad

Eltemase Doa.

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(salam)

Brother, that is the election to choose the next supreme leader.. Nothing got to do with ijtihad

Eltemase Doa.

Salamu alaikum,

If you read what I said, it is necessary to be a mujtahid inorder to qualify as a supreme leader according to the constitution....So everyone who elected him, witness his ijtehad.

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(salam)

Salamu alaikum,

If you read what I said, it is necessary to be a mujtahid inorder to qualify as a supreme leader according to the constitution....

Was there any marja's in this video to prove that they classify Khamanei as a mujtahid ? It can't be elected by people who just wear turbans

Eltemase Doa.

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(salam)

Was there any marja's in this video to prove that they classify Khamanei as a mujtahid ? It can't be elected by people who just wear turbans

Eltemase Doa.

All of the members of the assembly of experts are impartially elected Mujtahids. Marjas are simply Mujtahids that publish their risalahs.

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(salam)

Was there any marja's in this video to prove that they classify Khamanei as a mujtahid ? It can't be elected by people who just wear turbans

Eltemase Doa.

Salamu alaikum,

If you go to any marja's website and look for "how do we identify a mujtahid" , the answer is to refer to ahlul khubra. The people in this video are more qualified then qualified to be ahlul khibra, consisting of many mujtahids if you look at them closely, more overly they are "ahlul Khibra".

Also what about the other names I mentioned, are those not enough. Do you want more? Imam Khomeini, Ayatullah Shahroodi, etc.

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(salam)

People in this video, I don't even know any of them.

Khomeini has spoken about the ijtihad of Khamanei? Provide me with reference.

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(salam)

People in this video, I don't even know any of them.

Khomeini has spoken about the ijtihad of Khamanei? Provide me with reference.

Salamu alaikum,

Brother, do you actually go through the posts, look at the video please, that is a clear reference. From 1:50, it is narrated what Imam Khomeini had said about Sayyed Ali Khamenei.

Also if you want more Maraja':

Ayatullah Jawadi Amuli

Ayatullah Lankarani

Ayatullah Safi Gulpaygani

Reference: Wilayat and Marja'iyat

Sheikh Hassanzadah Amuli(one of the most prominent scholars of our time):

Really, I don't know why people still question his ijtehad, it is very clear.

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Could someone post where Sayyid Kamal (ha) says it on his site?

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really, I don't know why people still question his ijtehad, it is very clear.

Its a tradition, brother. These are old tricks. Those who opposed Late Imam Khomeini (AR) questioned his Ijtehad too. They said he was made a Grand Ayatullah overnight to save his life. Now they say Ayatullah Khamene'i was made an Ayatullah to become the Leader........ They never stop. :unsure:

WS

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I would like to know one thing about this forum: Why don't people keep their opinions to themselves?

When will you people realize that it's these kinds of arguments that are keeping Shia apart? No matter how hard you try, no one will unite with Sunnis when you can't even unite with each other first.

Whether you think Sayyed Khamenei or Khamenei is a mujtahid/marjaa or not, it's your opinion. Just follow the Ayatollah that you think is the most knowledgeable, and that's it. I have friends that follow Sayyed Fadlallah, Khamenei, Sistani, and much more. If I expressed my opinion on each marjaa, I would have to no longer talk to my grandparents, my cousins, and the rest of my family.

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THANK YOU SISTER!!!!!

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This is SOOO disgusting.

I am used to FILTHY people on this forum saying rubbish about Imam Khamenei(rah) who became MUJTAHID at 19 years of age, and LEADS a Grand Ayatullah in prayer at such a young age!

BUT when these filth, lower themselves to such an extent that they try and question Muhammad Baaqir al-Sadr(rah).

I have an audio lecture, during one of Sayyid Kamaal al-Haidary's Hawza lectures - he mentioned how he was PERSONALLY with Imam al-Khoie(rah) who told him that Muhammad Baaqir al-Sadr had reached Ijtihaad at such a young age, and was one of the leaders (in terms of knowledge) OF THE HAWZA!

Nokare-Zahra... ONLY Allah(swt) knows how much I love you! But please, whatever you feel in your heart, just hide it for a while... and through Allah's(swt) mercy He will give you a heart that does NOT feel angry/annoyed at anything in his world inshaAllah.

Wsalam wr wb

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This is SOOO disgusting.

I am used to FILTHY people on this forum saying rubbish about Imam Khamenei(rah) who became MUJTAHID at 19 years of age, and LEADS a Grand Ayatullah in prayer at such a young age!

BUT when these filth, lower themselves to such an extent that they try and question Muhammad Baaqir al-Sadr(rah).

I have an audio lecture, during one of Sayyid Kamaal al-Haidary's Hawza lectures - he mentioned how he was PERSONALLY with Imam al-Khoie(rah) who told him that Muhammad Baaqir al-Sadr had reached Ijtihaad at such a young age, and was one of the leaders (in terms of knowledge) OF THE HAWZA!

Nokare-Zahra... ONLY Allah(swt) knows how much I love you! But please, whatever you feel in your heart, just hide it for a while... and through Allah's(swt) mercy He will give you a heart that does NOT feel angry/annoyed at anything in his world inshaAllah.

Wsalam wr wb

Sorry I didn't mean to call anyone filthy, especially not my beloved brother Nokare-Zahra. It was a slip of the tongue and fingers, and I got a bit angry :(

forgive me.

Wsalam wr wb

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(salam)

I would like to know one thing about this forum: Why don't people keep their opinions to themselves?

When will you people realize that it's these kinds of arguments that are keeping Shia apart? No matter how hard you try, no one will unite with Sunnis when you can't even unite with each other first.

Whether you think Sayyed Khamenei or Khamenei is a mujtahid/marjaa or not, it's your opinion. Just follow the Ayatollah that you think is the most knowledgeable, and that's it. I have friends that follow Sayyed Fadlallah, Khamenei, Sistani, and much more. If I expressed my opinion on each marjaa, I would have to no longer talk to my grandparents, my cousins, and the rest of my family.

If everyone keeps their opinions to themselves, then whats the point of a forum? Whats the point of a discussion board?

But, I will leave this topic.

This is SOOO disgusting.

I am used to FILTHY people on this forum saying rubbish about Imam Khamenei(rah) who became MUJTAHID at 19 years of age, and LEADS a Grand Ayatullah in prayer at such a young age!

BUT when these filth, lower themselves to such an extent that they try and question Muhammad Baaqir al-Sadr(rah).

I have an audio lecture, during one of Sayyid Kamaal al-Haidary's Hawza lectures - he mentioned how he was PERSONALLY with Imam al-Khoie(rah) who told him that Muhammad Baaqir al-Sadr had reached Ijtihaad at such a young age, and was one of the leaders (in terms of knowledge) OF THE HAWZA!

Nokare-Zahra... ONLY Allah(swt) knows how much I love you! But please, whatever you feel in your heart, just hide it for a while... and through Allah's(swt) mercy He will give you a heart that does NOT feel angry/annoyed at anything in his world inshaAllah.

Wsalam wr wb

Sorry I didn't mean to call anyone filthy, especially not my beloved brother Nokare-Zahra. It was a slip of the tongue and fingers, and I got a bit angry :(

forgive me.

Wsalam wr wb

He was referring to me. I love you both :)

May Alla (swt) protect all our scholars, and I apologise for everything

Eltemase Doa.

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If I expressed my opinion on each marjaa, I would have to no longer talk to my grandparents, my cousins, and the rest of my family.

What you have stated is a disease. If someone has bad opinions about scholars it comes out one way or the other. Why do we have to look down at Marjas that differ with our understanding of the religion. Why cant we resepect all Marjas regardless if we agree with them or not and follow them or not.

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What you have stated is a disease. If someone has bad opinions about scholars it comes out one way or the other. Why do we have to look down at Marjas that differ with our understanding of the religion. Why cant we resepect all Marjas regardless if we agree with them or not and follow them or not.

Forgive me, I didn't mean that I have negative feelings towards marjaas. I phrased it incorrectly. What I meant to say that if I had a feeling towards any marjaa, I shouldn't say it.

If everyone keeps their opinions to themselves, then whats the point of a forum? Whats the point of a discussion board?

The point of a forum is to learn things, not express opinions on sensitive topics and cause problems, brother.

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