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(salam)

Iss thread ka khaalistan maqsad hai hamare naumaShq bhaii aur behnoN kii rehnumaii kerna hai.

Goh keh main khud ustaad naheiN aik taalib-e.illm hooN adab kii dunya ka, magar chaahta hooN jitna illm mere paas hai woh doosroN talak puhnchay aur sab faa'ida uTha sakaiN!

By all means, if there are any other poets who wish to contribute to this please feel free to do so.

Shair kehne ke kuch usool hote haiN jinka shair kehte huway khaas dhiyaan rakhta paRhta hai:

1. Behr: Behr shairoN kii bandiSh ka aik napa tula paimana hai. Simple laymans terms meN behr syllables kii tarteeb ka naam hai!

Waise to bohot sii bahoor haiN magar aik micaal paiSh ker raha hooN:

Faa-i-laa-tun / Faa-i-laa-tun / Faa-i-laa-tun / Faa-i-laan (these are just dummy words created by ustaad poets for our ease and easy to remember)

2-1-2-2 / 2-1-2-2 / 2-1-2-2 / 2-1-2*

* 2= Long syllable and 1= short syllable

Mil(Faa/2)-ga(i/1)-ii(laa/2)-mujh(tun/2) / ko(Faa/2)-khu(i/1)-daa(laa/2)-ii(tun/2) / Ya(Faa/2)-A(i/1)-li(laa/2)-keh(tun/2) / nay(faa/2)-ke(i/1)-baad(laan/2)

2. Qafia: Yeh aik hii tarz kay woh muKhtalif hamawaz alfaz haiN jo Matlay kay donoN aur baaqi ash'aar ke her doosre micre (line) main paroaye jatay hain.

Micaal mulahiza fermaa'iay:

Milgaee mujhko khudaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

HaaN! Yahii hota hai bhaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

Iss shair meN khudaii aur bhaii qaafiay haiN.

3. Radeef: Radeef woh lafz ya alfaaz haiN jo matlay ke donoN microN ke aaKhir meN aur doosre her shair ke doosre micre ke aaKhir meN aata/aate hai/haiN.

Milgaee mujhko khudaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

HaaN! Yahii hota hai bhaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

Maut se ik roz panja aazmaii ho gaii

ToRdi maiN ne kalaii Ya Ali Kehnay ke baad

Agar aap ne ghaur fermaaya to anadaza ho gaya hoga keyh iss 2 aShaar meN radeef "Ya Ali Kehne ke baad" hai.

Aaj ke liay itna hii kaafi hai mere khayaal meN. Saval kernay se bilkul na katraa'iay, bejhijhak pooch leejiay :)

Khaaksaar,

Qassim.

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Very informative.

Thankyou for sharing.

Mera personal nazriyah yeh hay keh poetry ka principle relationship humaray Qalb (feelings, emotions e.t.c) say hay. Folks who are naturally sensitive enough to be good "receivers" i-e good observers; good at receiving and processing lots of information/thoughts/emotions and experiences in their heads..... do well in poetry. And at the same time, they have to be good "trasmitters" i-e be able to share what they feel deep inside...

Salams

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(salam)

Iss thread ka khaalistan maqsad hai hamare naumaShq bhaii aur behnoN kii rehnumaii kerna hai.

Goh keh main khud ustaad naheiN aik taalib-e.illm hooN adab kii dunya ka, magar chaahta hooN jitna illm mere paas hai woh doosroN talak puhnchay aur sab faa'ida uTha sakaiN!

By all means, if there are any other poets who wish to contribute to this please feel free to do so.

Shair kehne ke kuch usool hote haiN jinka shair kehte huway khaas dhiyaan rakhta paRhta hai:

1. Behr: Behr shairoN kii bandiSh ka aik napa tula paimana hai. Simple laymans terms meN behr syllables kii tarteeb ka naam hai!

Waise to bohot sii bahoor haiN magar aik micaal paiSh ker raha hooN:

Faa-i-laa-tun / Faa-i-laa-tun / Faa-i-laa-tun / Faa-i-laan (these are just dummy words created by ustaad poets for our ease and easy to remember)

2-1-2-2 / 2-1-2-2 / 2-1-2-2 / 2-1-2*

* 2= Long syllable and 1= short syllable

Mil(Faa/2)-ga(i/1)-ii(laa/2)-mujh(tun/2) / ko(Faa/2)-khu(i/1)-daa(laa/2)-ii(tun/2) / Ya(Faa/2)-A(i/1)-li(laa/2)-keh(tun/2) / nay(faa/2)-ke(i/1)-baad(laan/2)

2. Qafia: Yeh aik hii tarz kay woh muKhtalif hamawaz alfaz haiN jo Matlay kay donoN aur baaqi ash'aar ke her doosre micre (line) main paroaye jatay hain.

Micaal mulahiza fermaa'iay:

Milgaee mujhko khudaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

HaaN! Yahii hota hai bhaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

Iss shair meN khudaii aur bhaii qaafiay haiN.

3. Radeef: Radeef woh lafz ya alfaaz haiN jo matlay ke donoN microN ke aaKhir meN aur doosre her shair ke doosre micre ke aaKhir meN aata/aate hai/haiN.

Milgaee mujhko khudaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

HaaN! Yahii hota hai bhaii Ya Ali kehnay ke baad

Maut se ik roz panja aazmaii ho gaii

ToRdi maiN ne kalaii Ya Ali Kehnay ke baad

Agar aap ne ghaur fermaaya to anadaza ho gaya hoga keyh iss 2 aShaar meN radeef "Ya Ali Kehne ke baad" hai.

Aaj ke liay itna hii kaafi hai mere khayaal meN. Saval kernay se bilkul na katraa'iay, bejhijhak pooch leejiay :)

Khaaksaar,

Qassim.

salam,

hum ko hergiz yaqeen nahi aAraha hai key aAp jaisay koi shair' etna waqt nikaal ker etna kuch seekha den gain!!!

aAp yaqeen karen key aAp ko bohat lutf ayie ga SC per es terha elm e urooz seekhanay mien. aur aAp key tawassut sey hum sab bhi kafi kuch seekh jaain gain. aAp ko duaain den gain aur aAp jitna hum ko seekhaain gay, khud aAp ka elm bhi aur ziyada badhta rehey ga..inshaAllah. (ye tu hamarey Maula(as) ka qol bhi hai)

ye tu aik behr hovi baqi bataain...

qafiya aur radeef samajh mien aAgaya laikin hum ney dekha hai key kaai mashoor shuara bhi ab es ka khayal nahi rakhtey. yani, radeef tu hoti hai qafiya nahi hota. ye kon C jiddat hai? kiya ye shairi key usoolon key khilaaf nahi? kiya ye ghazal hi kehlaai gee?

hum bejhijak, bewaqoofi key sawalaat tu karen gain hi laikin aAp sey umeed hai key derguzar aur berdasht sey jawab bhi den gain.

aAp ka bohat shukriya key aAp ney bohat achey waqt SC join kiya. SC per khush Amdeed!

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Very informative.

Thankyou for sharing.

Mera personal nazriyah yeh hay keh poetry ka principle relationship humaray Qalb (feelings, emotions e.t.c) say hay. Folks who are naturally sensitive enough to be good "receivers" i-e good observers; good at receiving and processing lots of information/thoughts/emotions and experiences in their heads..... do well in poetry. And at the same time, they have to be good "trasmitters" i-e be able to share what they feel deep inside...

Salams

Thank you for taking the time out to reply to my post!

I am in agreement with what you have said above. Basically you have to have what it takes to express your mind in a creative manner.

The only thing is that when it comes to Urdu poetry (structured poem), its not the thought that only counts, there are certain rules one needs to follow!

My ustaad tells me, for oneself to earn the right to be called a "shaa'ir" you have to learn from an ustaad for atleast 8 years. Just to put things into perspective; you can have upto 84 techincal mistakes in 1 shair!!! :)

Salaam.

salam,

hum ko hergiz yaqeen nahi aAraha hai key aAp jaisay koi shair' etna waqt nikaal ker etna kuch seekha den gain!!!

aAp yaqeen karen key aAp ko bohat lutf ayie ga SC per es terha elm e urooz seekhanay mien. aur aAp key tawassut sey hum sab bhi kafi kuch seekh jaain gain. aAp ko duaain den gain aur aAp jitna hum ko seekhaain gay, khud aAp ka elm bhi aur ziyada badhta rehey ga..inshaAllah. (ye tu hamarey Maula(as) ka qol bhi hai)

Mere liay yeh hii baa'is-e iftiKhaar hai ke maiN kisi momin/mominah talak illm puhncha sakooN!

ye tu aik behr hovi baqi bataain...

qafiya aur radeef samajh mien aAgaya laikin hum ney dekha hai key kaai mashoor shuara bhi ab es ka khayal nahi rakhtey. yani, radeef tu hoti hai qafiya nahi hota. ye kon C jiddat hai? kiya ye shairi key usoolon key khilaaf nahi? kiya ye ghazal hi kehlaai gee?

Kisi bhii 2 microN ko shair ki shakl haacil kerne ke liay qaafia aur radeef hone laazmi hai, wagarna to woh cirf 2 microN kii haisiyyat hi rakhaiNgay shair kii naheiN. Albatta, itni gunja'iSH hai sha'ir ke paas ke woh radeef ko istaymaal meN na laa'ay (aise kalaam ko Ghair.muraddaf kehte haiN).

Agar koi sha'ir kalaam meN qaafiay ka istaymaal na keray aur us kalaam meN radeef shaamil ho aur micre bhi behr meN kahay ga'ay hoN to aisi kaaviSh "masnavi" kehlaatii hai.

Ab chahay aap noha likh laiN, manqabat likh laiN, salaam likh laiN, qaseedaH likh laiN, ya ghazal likh laiN, woh sab aik hi shakl ke hoNge (qaafia hoga, radeef hogi/ghair muraddaf, aur micre wazn/behr meN hoNge). Micre in sabhii meN aik hi saaNchay meN DhalaiNgay, yeh to sirf mauzuu hai jo tay karayga ke aap ne manqabat kahi hai, ghazal kahi hai, noha kaha hai, qaseedaH kaha hai, ya salaam kaha hai.

hum bejhijak, bewaqoofi key sawalaat tu karen gain hi laikin aAp sey umeed hai key derguzar aur berdasht sey jawab bhi den gain.

aAp ka bohat shukriya key aAp ney bohat achey waqt SC join kiya. SC per khush Amdeed!

ws

Aap bilkul bhii fikr na keraiN ... MaiN bohot sabr-o.tahammul se savaal paRhooNga bhii aur nihaayat khuloos ke javab bhii dooNga. Javab mere illmi haisiyyat aur darje ke mutabiq hoga. Baaz auqaat aise bhi hoga ke mere paas javaab na ho, to uss surat meN maiN aap sab se bohot sharmindagii se maazrat chahta hooN.

Jaisa ke maiN ne pehlay bhii bataya hai maiN khud bhii shair kehna seekh raha hooN ...

Khaaksaar,

Qassim.

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Edited by Sha'ir e Alhebait

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uote name='Sha'ir e Alhebait' date='02 August 2010 - 07:40 PM' timestamp='1280792440' post='20789

Kisi bhii 2 microN ko shair ki shakl haacil kerne ke liay qaafia aur radeef hone laazmi hai, wagarna to woh cirf 2 microN kii haisiyyat hi rakhaiNgay shair kii naheiN. Albatta, itni gunja'iSH hai sha'ir ke paas ke woh radeef ko istaymaal meN na laa'ay (aise kalaam ko Ghair.muraddaf kehte haiN).

Agar koi sha'ir kalaam meN qaafiay ka istaymaal na keray aur us kalaam meN radeef shaamil ho aur micre bhi behr meN kahay ga'ay hoN to aisi kaaviSh "masnavi" kehlaatii hai.

Ab chahay aap noha likh laiN, manqabat likh laiN, salaam likh laiN, qaseedaH likh laiN, ya ghazal likh laiN, woh sab aik hi shakl ke hoNge (qaafia hoga, radeef hogi/ghair muraddaf, aur micre wazn/behr meN hoNge). Micre in sabhii meN aik hi saaNchay meN DhalaiNgay, yeh to sirf mauzuu hai jo tay karayga ke aap ne manqabat kahi hai, ghazal kahi hai, noha kaha hai, qaseedaH kaha hai, ya salaam kaha hai.

Aap bilkul bhii fikr na keraiN ... MaiN bohot sabr-o.tahammul se savaal paRhooNga bhii aur nihaayat khuloos ke javab bhii dooNga. Javab mere illmi haisiyyat aur darje ke mutabiq hoga. Baaz auqaat aise bhi hoga ke mere paas javaab na ho, to uss surat meN maiN aap sab se bohot sharmindagii se maazrat chahta hooN.

Jaisa ke maiN ne pehlay bhii bataya hai maiN khud bhii shair kehna seekh raha hooN ...

Khaaksaar,

Qassim.

salam,

aAp key mufassal jawab ka behad shukriya.

aAp ney likha key ''sirf mauzuu hai jo tey karey ga key aAp ney manqabat kahi hai ....'' baraai mererbani ye bataain key salam aur manqabat mien kiya ferq hai?

aAp ney abhi tak aik beher ki micaal dee.......aur kitni bahoor hain? aAp sawal ka entezar na karain, bas batatey chalay jaain key shair kehney key kiya usool hain. aAp ney inshaAllah jee ko likha key aik shair mien 84 technical ghaltiyan ho sakti hain!! sab sey ziyada honey wali chand aik ghaltiyan tu kafi wazeh hain, laikin phir bhi, umeed hai aAp es per bhi kuch tabcira fermaingey.

agar beher fix ho bhi jaai aur phir alfaaz hi na milain tu es sahoolat key liyie kin kin shua'ra sey mustafeed ho saktey hain??? :)

ye sawal youn kiya gaya key ye aik bohat ghambeer masala hai aAjkal key ''noumashq angraizDan'' shua'ra key liyie!

aAp ka mufeed mashwara?????

es forum mien ziyada log guftagoo mien hissa nahi laitey laikin padhtey khoob hain. es liyie aAp ye mat sochiyie ga key aAp ki mehnat raAiga'n ja rahi hai.

ahista ahista aur log bhi shamil hotey jaain gain inshaAllah. hum bohat shukrguzaar hain aAp key, key aAp etna mufeed mawad es forum key liyie derj ker rehey hain.

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salam,

aAp key mufassal jawab ka behad shukriya.

aAp ney likha key ''sirf mauzuu hai jo tey karey ga key aAp ney manqabat kahi hai ....'' baraai mererbani ye bataain key salam aur manqabat mien kiya ferq hai?

aAp ney abhi tak aik beher ki micaal dee.......aur kitni bahoor hain? aAp sawal ka entezar na karain, bas batatey chalay jaain key shair kehney key kiya usool hain. aAp ney inshaAllah jee ko likha key aik shair mien 84 technical ghaltiyan ho sakti hain!! sab sey ziyada honey wali chand aik ghaltiyan tu kafi wazeh hain, laikin phir bhi, umeed hai aAp es per bhi kuch tabcira fermaingey.

agar beher fix ho bhi jaai aur phir alfaaz hi na milain tu es sahoolat key liyie kin kin shua'ra sey mustafeed ho saktey hain??? :)

ye sawal youn kiya gaya key ye aik bohat ghambeer masala hai aAjkal key ''noumashq angraizDan'' shua'ra key liyie!

aAp ka mufeed mashwara?????

es forum mien ziyada log guftagoo mien hissa nahi laitey laikin padhtey khoob hain. es liyie aAp ye mat sochiyie ga key aAp ki mehnat raAiga'n ja rahi hai.

ahista ahista aur log bhi shamil hotey jaain gain inshaAllah. hum bohat shukrguzaar hain aAp key, key aAp etna mufeed mawad es forum key liyie derj ker rehey hain.

ws

Manqabat aur salaam meN bunyadii farq yeh hai ke salaam meN fazaa'il ke saath aaKhir meN masaa'ib ke aSh'aar bhii hote haiN, aur manqabat meN sirf fazaa'il ka bayaan hota hai :)

Qaseedah aur manqabat ko log akcar aik samajhte haiN. Dono meN fazaa'il ka bayan hota hai magar farq yeh hai ke manqabat meN her shair alag mazmoon ka hota hai aur jahaN tak rahii baat qaseeday ki to qaseedah kisii bhii maSHhoor saKhsiyat ke naam hota hai.

Doosrii baat yeh ke manqabat uss surat meN manqabat kehlaatii hai agar uss meN Muhammed o Aal e Muhammed ka zikr ho!

Edited by Sha'ir e Alhebait

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Manqabat aur salaam meN bunyadii farq yeh hai ke salaam meN fazaa'il ke saath aaKhir meN masaa'ib ke aSh'aar bhii hote haiN, aur manqabat meN sirf fazaa'il ka bayaan hota hai :)

Qaseedah aur manqabat ko log akcar aik samajhte haiN. Dono meN fazaa'il ka bayan hota hai magar farq yeh hai ke manqabat meN her shair alag mazmoon ka hota hai aur jahaN tak rahii baat qaseeday ki to qaseedah kisii bhii maSHhoor saKhsiyat ke naam hota hai.

Doosrii baat yeh ke manqabat uss surat meN manqabat kehlaatii hai agar uss meN Muhammed o Aal e Muhammed ka zikr ho!

salam,

kal hi kuch padh rehey they, jis mien na qafiya tha na radeef!!!!!!!!!

wazan aur beher mojood!!!

ye hum ney kiya padha Qasim sab????

aAj aik manqabat padhi, jis mien faza'il , ya tu they nahi ya hamari samjh mien nahi aAiye!!!!

mical ke tor aik shair arz hai...

ZULM THA JOR O JAFA THA AUR THA JBR O SITAM

AAJ SOORAJ BHI THA GOYA AAG BRSATA HOVA

Qasim sab ye caaf shair kiya hota hai???

sorry janab, kuch ziyada hi sawal ho gaiyie..

padh leney ka shukriya.......pata nahi jawab aiyie bhi ya nahi!

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salam,

kal hi kuch padh rehey they, jis mien na qafiya tha na radeef!!!!!!!!!

wazan aur beher mojood!!!

ye hum ney kiya padha Qasim sab????

aAj aik manqabat padhi, jis mien faza'il , ya tu they nahi ya hamari samjh mien nahi aAiye!!!!

mical ke tor aik shair arz hai...

ZULM THA JOR O JAFA THA AUR THA JBR O SITAM

AAJ SOORAJ BHI THA GOYA AAG BRSATA HOVA

Qasim sab ye caaf shair kiya hota hai???

sorry janab, kuch ziyada hi sawal ho gaiyie..

padh leney ka shukriya.......pata nahi jawab aiyie bhi ya nahi!

ws

Jis kalaam meN radeef aur qafia na ho aur woh wazn meN bhii ho usay nazam keh sakte haiN. YouN to baaz auqaat nazam meN bhii qafia aur radeef moujood hote haiN.

Jahaan tak rahii doosrii baat to ustaad shoara apne may'aar ke hisaab se taGHazzul bhii kerte haiN. Isska yeh matlab hota hai ke zikr Muhammad o Aal e Muhammed ka ho raha hota hai magar naam istaymaal naheiN hota.

Micaal ke taur per yeh shair:

Dil-e.veeraaN ko furqat ke yeh lamhe toR jaate haiN

Woh jaald aa'aiNgay keh ker dil ko ham apne manaate haiN

"caaf" ko aam tuar se log Roman Urdu meN "saaf" (clear, wazeh) bhii kehte haiN. Shair caaf us soorat meN samjha jaate hai ke paRhne waale baGhair kisii muShkil ke shaa'ir jo baat samjhaanaa chaah raha hai samajh ja.ay.

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Jis kalaam meN radeef aur qafia na ho aur woh wazn meN bhii ho usay nazam keh sakte haiN. YouN to baaz auqaat nazam meN bhii qafia aur radeef moujood hote haiN.

Jahaan tak rahii doosrii baat to ustaad shoara apne may'aar ke hisaab se taGHazzul bhii kerte haiN. Isska yeh matlab hota hai ke zikr Muhammad o Aal e Muhammed ka ho raha hota hai magar naam istaymaal naheiN hota.

"caaf" ko aam tuar se log Roman Urdu meN "saaf" (clear, wazeh) bhii kehte haiN. Shair caaf us soorat meN samjha jaate hai ke paRhne waale baGhair kisii muShkil ke shaa'ir jo baat samjhaanaa chaah raha hai samajh ja.ay.

salam.,

acha acha tu GHAIR E 'caaf' wo shair hota hai jis mien shair ko baad mien pakadh ker MANI dalwai jatey hain!!

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سلام برادر ۔۔۔۔ 
میں نے کچھ شاعری سیکھی ھے ۔۔۔ قافیہ ردیف بحر اور کچھ دوسری بنیادی چیزیں ۔۔ مگر کبھی کبھی مسئلہ ردیف اور قافیہ کے نہ ملنے پر ھوتا مطلب اردو کے  ہم الفاظ ملنے کا مسئلہ ۔۔۔ کیا آپ کوئی قافیے کی لغت فراہم کرسکتے ھو

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