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#1 gogiison2

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 03:06 PM

Imam al asr madad
Bismillah
Salaam wr wb.

I was having a discussion with a Salafi brother, and I linked him here: http://www.answering...ah/en/chap6.php

He says he checked the book and asked a scholar as well, and no luck in finding those alleged sayings from the Answering-Ansar website. I checked Wikipedia and I see it says the Minhaj al Sunnah is a 4 volume book. I assume they mean the original Arabic is 4 volumes. On the AA website it references some of the sayings with volume 8, so I'm wondering if anyone knows if they got the information from a translated text and then just added the Arabic along with it; and also if anyone knows which translation they used, because this Salafi is pretty adamant that such statements are not in the Minhaj al Sunnah book. JazakAllah to any that can help me out.

Edited by gogiison2, 05 May 2010 - 03:07 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2010 - 03:14 PM

Ibn Taymiyyah is horribly misunderstood and maligned by any and all groups within Islam. However, I think the Shi'a specifically have a problem with him because he tried to refute Shi'ism.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 03:32 PM

Ibn Taymiyyah is horribly misunderstood and maligned by any and all groups within Islam. However, I think the Shi'a specifically have a problem with him because he tried to refute Shi'ism.

Does this mean what Answering-Answer says about him, with their references, is false?

Edited by gogiison2, 05 May 2010 - 03:33 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2010 - 04:05 PM

Does this mean what Answering-Answer says about him, with their references, is false?


I would say that, but I think Lord Botta would be the best person to ask to verify.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 04:16 PM

Imam al asr madad
Bismillah
Salaam wr wb.

I was having a discussion with a Salafi brother, and I linked him here: http://www.answering...ah/en/chap6.php

He says he checked the book and asked a scholar as well, and no luck in finding those alleged sayings from the Answering-Ansar website. I checked Wikipedia and I see it says the Minhaj al Sunnah is a 4 volume book. I assume they mean the original Arabic is 4 volumes. On the AA website it references some of the sayings with volume 8, so I'm wondering if anyone knows if they got the information from a translated text and then just added the Arabic along with it; and also if anyone knows which translation they used, because this Salafi is pretty adamant that such statements are not in the Minhaj al Sunnah book. JazakAllah to any that can help me out.



the new edition is 4 volumes, the old one 8

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 04:31 PM

I don't trust that website.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 04:39 PM

I don't trust that website.

(salam)
same here
i would prefer to do independent research or read from a more authentic source


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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:04 PM

the new edition is 4 volumes, the old one 8

okay, i see, but he says he checked both of the editions and nothing of this sort is found.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:12 PM

(salam)
same here
i would prefer to do independent research or read from a more authentic source


It seems that it's a hot-going site amongst the people on this board.

okay, i see, but he says he checked both of the editions and nothing of this sort is found.


What constitutes the difference between the first and second editions apart from the lengths?

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:25 PM

What constitutes the difference between the first and second editions apart from the lengths?

Not sure, brother, that's what I'm trying to get figured out, inshaAllah. The possibility of someone editing the newer editions came to mind, but we would have to prove that in order to use that against him.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:40 PM

What constitutes the difference between the first and second editions apart from the lengths?


(bismillah)
(salam)

sometimes

http://www.shiachat....ih-al-tirmidhi/

there are more and others

(wasalam)

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:52 PM

(bismillah)
(salam)

sometimes

http://www.shiachat....ih-al-tirmidhi/

there are more and others

(wasalam)


If there was tahreef in Minhaj al-Sunnah, then that works to the advantage of Ibn Taymiyyah rather than against him. I think we need to wait until Lord Botta sees the thread, assuming he chooses to reply.

On a similar note, Dr. Tahir ul-Qadri does quote Allamah ibn Taymiyyah many times, so I still stand by my opinion that he is a highly misunderstood and maligned character.

Also, Ibn Taymiyyah was a follower of the Qadiri order of tasawwuf or so I've read. So, I would highly doubt that he could be classified as a nawasib if he were true to the teachings of that order.

Edited by ninjaslim, 05 May 2010 - 05:57 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2010 - 05:59 PM

Ibn Taymiyyah's views on Tawheed are despicable enough for him to be indicted.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 06:01 PM

Ibn Taymiyyah's views on Tawheed are despicable enough for him to be indicted.


How so?

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 06:12 PM

(bismillah)
(salam)

sometimes, i didn't say in this particular book

http://www.shiachat....ih-al-tirmidhi/

there are more and others

(wasalam)



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Posted 05 May 2010 - 06:19 PM

I don't trust that website.



What about this one?

http://www.sunnah.or...qh/refuting.htm

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 07:22 PM

Well, I sent them an email so that they can inshaAllah explain it to me. I'll post any updates, inshaAllah.

Edited by gogiison2, 05 May 2010 - 07:22 PM.


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Posted 05 May 2010 - 08:32 PM

What about this one?

http://www.sunnah.or...qh/refuting.htm


Some of that is disturbing indeed, but I would like Lord Botta or anyone else well-versed in ibn Taymiyyah's works to verify all of that.

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Posted 05 May 2010 - 09:34 PM

There are 2 editions, one is in 4 volumes, the other is in 8 volumes. The older one is in 8 volumes.

This man is the SCARIEST man that has EVER been known as "Shaykh al-Islam"

The man who said man kuntu mawlaa fa haatha aliyyun mawlaa is a weak hadith!!!! He has made so many lies about Imam Ahmad ibn Hanbal.
The one who compared the Prophet's daughter Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå to hypocrites.

man I give up.

Anyone who knows a LITTLE about the knowledge of Hadith should read the joke he has written "Minhaj al-Sunnah"
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Posted 06 May 2010 - 01:17 AM

(bismillah)
(salam)

sometimes

http://www.shiachat....ih-al-tirmidhi/

there are more and others

(wasalam)

hah the very same argument whch was crushed by brother lord botta frm where the OP flew away when got trapped bcz of his ignorancy. Man you lack very much behind...

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 01:22 AM

Ibn Taymiyyah is horribly misunderstood and maligned by any and all groups within Islam. However, I think the Shi'a specifically have a problem with him because he tried to refute Shi'ism.

Refuted, antagonized, demonized, marginalised... plenty of verbs you're missing there bro...

Oh I almost forgot... He SANCTIONED VIOLENCE AGAINST SHIAS... and HE'S the one misunderstood?

Brother, do you reject every allegation that was presented against him? EVERY single one? I find that hard to believe...
(wasalam)

Edited by Legio Invicta, 06 May 2010 - 01:23 AM.


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Posted 06 May 2010 - 01:36 AM

Refuted, antagonized, demonized, marginalised... plenty of verbs you're missing there bro...

Oh I almost forgot... He SANCTIONED VIOLENCE AGAINST SHIAS... and HE'S the one misunderstood?

Brother, do you reject every allegation that was presented against him? EVERY single one? I find that hard to believe...
(wasalam)


This is my positions on ibn Taymiyyah:

1) I don't reject or affirm any of the allegations brought forth against him.
2) I don't take much knowledge from him, even thought he may very well be a fountain knowledge, given that many of those in and after his time did refer to him as Shaykh ul-Islam in certain fields.
3) I don't malign him out of principle that a Muslim should not attack a scholar regardless of how many differences he or she may have with them. All of the scholars pursue or pursued their line of work with the same intention: to serve Islam.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 02:10 AM

How so?

He's an anthropromorphomist (sp) - i.e. he believes in tajseem.

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 02:19 AM

What is the problem?

"Minhaj as-sunnah" volumes can differ depended on publications. It has 9 volumes publications, 10 volumes publications.

Here is 9 volume set


http://www.alkitab.com/751.html


And this is 10 volume version.

http://arabic.islami...ya.asp?book=365

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Posted 06 May 2010 - 02:21 AM

sometimes

http://www.shiachat....ih-al-tirmidhi/

there are more and others


http://www.shiachat....owledge-hadith/

He's an anthropromorphomist (sp) - i.e. he believes in tajseem.


That's not really all that true. Read Minhaj Al-Sunnah. In the early chapters, he attacks tajseem and accuses some of the early Shias to have adopted tajseem.



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