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#1 yonus

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Posted 20 March 2010 - 05:07 PM

Salam aleikum,

It was said that a man from Rome has seen Imam Ali (as ) and he drawn him on the skin of deer .

Here is the picture in the italian museum . Roma

http://www.ahyaarab....97.imgcache.jpg

#2 Abdaal

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Posted 21 March 2010 - 11:33 PM

This is the closest portrait to the description of Imam Ali (as). However, we cannot say its exact.

#3 Nazar_Abbas

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 02:22 PM

Oh, thank you for sharing !

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 03:23 PM

Looks like Kimbo Slice.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 06:16 PM

Looks like Kimbo Slice.


LOL

Salam aleikum,

It was said that a man from Rome has seen Imam Ali (as ) and he drawn him on the skin of deer .


Brother is this hadeeth sahih? Which shia hadeeth book can i find it in?

#6 aladdin

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 07:39 PM

When the movie, "The Message (1976)" was made with Anthony Quinn a classical actor, all the faces of the sahabas were shown. It included the faces of abu Bakr, Omar, Usman and so forth.

But out of respect to Islam, two faces were never shown.

One of them being the rasool of Allah, nabi Mohammad (pbuh), whose face was never shown.

And, the another one was the greatest sahabi imam Ali (as), whose face was also not shown.

However, one could see the Zulfiqar in forefront and winning all wars for Islam. One can see the Zulfiqar, but one cannot see the hand of the Lion of Allah (as).

This is the respect shown to both rasool Allah Mohammad (pbuh) and imam Ali (as) by non-Muslims.

And, this is the respect, we as Muslims should preserve.


#7 Abdul Qaim

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 08:31 PM

Looks like Kimbo Slice.


I had to look up Google to find out who Kimbo Slice is. I chuckled when I saw his photo. That said, how do you know what he looks like. You been spending time out of your rijaal studies to watch a little wrestling (or whatever it that Kimbo does) ? :P

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 08:49 PM

Salam aleikum,

It was said that a man from Rome has seen Imam Ali (as ) and he drawn him on the skin of deer .

Here is the picture in the italian museum . Roma

http://www.ahyaarab....97.imgcache.jpg


Looks like a photo rather than a drawing, so unless it's been enhanced, it's a fake. Anyway, AFAIC, we shouldn't be wasting our time with images of the Prophets or Aimmah. At least that's my 2c worth ...

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 08:50 PM

When the movie, "The Message (1976)" was made with Anthony Quinn...It included the faces of abu Bakr, Omar, Usman and so forth.
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This is the respect shown to both rasool Allah Mohammad (pbuh) and imam Ali (as) by non-Muslims...


Tewfik El-Hakim, A.B. Jawdat El-Sahhar, A.B. Rahman El-Sharkawi, Mohammad Ali Maher wrote the screenplay (along with H.A.L Craig) and Moustapha Akkad was the producer and director of it - as you can see only one of the major contributors was a non-Muslim, the rest were Muslim.

And Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman (raa) are not shown in the film - either the arabic or the english version.

Edited by Glorfindel, 22 March 2010 - 08:52 PM.


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Posted 22 March 2010 - 08:52 PM

I had to look up Google to find out who Kimbo Slice is. I chuckled when I saw his photo. That said, how do you know what he looks like. You been spending time out of your rijaal studies to watch a little wrestling (or whatever it that Kimbo does) ? :P

Haha :!!!: :!!!:
Same here!!


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Posted 22 March 2010 - 09:51 PM

(salam)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I hear that towards the end of the life of Amir al-Mu'mineen (as), his beard was very white, "like cotton". Though one can say this is an early depiction. I'll have to hand it to the artist, it looks pretty accurate and not exaggerated like most depictions. I'm not a fan of images either way, but yeah.

Edited by Qa'im, 22 March 2010 - 09:51 PM.


#12 Ibn al-Hussain

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 10:28 PM

(salam)

Who was this Roman and when did he meet Imam Ali (as)? Was it after the Prophet's (pbuh) death or after? If it was before the Prophet's death - wouldn't he rather draw the Prophet (pbuh) who was a more important figure? Even if it was after the Prophet (pbuh), wouldn't he rather draw the rulers of the time or did he come all the way from Rome and only decided to meet and draw Imam Ali (as) from the thousands of individuals that lived in Medina. And if it was after the death of Uthman, then I would assume then that would be defined as "towards the end of the life of Amir al-Mu'mineen (as)" as per the above post of Qa'im, and well then that doesn't really fit the description does it. Did he draw any one else? Any other companions?

Wassalam

Edited by Aal-e-Imran, 22 March 2010 - 10:31 PM.


#13 Abdaal

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 10:32 PM

I had to look up Google to find out who Kimbo Slice is. I chuckled when I saw his photo. That said, how do you know what he looks like. You been spending time out of your rijaal studies to watch a little wrestling (or whatever it that Kimbo does) ? :P



MMA is awesome. I think every Muslim male should train under the MMA.

(salam)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but I hear that towards the end of the life of Amir al-Mu'mineen (as), his beard was very white, "like cotton". Though one can say this is an early depiction. I'll have to hand it to the artist, it looks pretty accurate and not exaggerated like most depictions. I'm not a fan of images either way, but yeah.



Here is the description.

Hadrat Ali, The Man

Physical appearance

Hadrat Ali was of medium-high height. He had a superb head with a face as noble as the man himself. His nose was straight, and his mouth was beautifully formed. His eyes were most commanding, being full of light and luster. There was an note of music in his voice. There was an aura of spirituality and a strong personal magnetism about him. In his youth he was handsome and full of fiery vigour. When he was older he became corpulent and bulky. His gray hair gave way to baldness. His beard, however, remained thick and luxuriant, and he often dyed it red. He was stout, genial, charitable, meditative, reserved, and he was a man who towered high above the people around him because of his intellectual and spiritual attainments.

http://muslim-canada.org/hadratali.htm

#14 aladdin

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 10:49 PM

His nose was straight, and his mouth was beautifully formed.

The picture doesn't show a straight Arab nose, especially from bani Hashim. The nose in the picture is more likely of Kimbo Slice.

As suggest by Lord Botta, it is probably a doctored picture of Kimbo Slice.

This is the first time I agree with Lord Botta on anything. I guess it always the first time!

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:13 PM

That is awesome, I am definately putting that on a shirt. The story is epic to.

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:19 PM

i am really against this type of drawings.

& i really surprised why peoples are so blind!

One person from rome! who the hell was he?

No-body knows. Just blind faith.

In one of the forum i realize one fact: One of the sunni guy presented the physical structure of imam ali from his book (may be of 300-400 AH), then shia starts calling it mockery of imam ali. & now here you shia's believing one man of rome!

Is this not mockery of imam ali?

#17 aladdin

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Posted 22 March 2010 - 11:27 PM

Yes, I fully agree it is a mockery of imam Ali (as)!

#18 Basim Ali

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 10:49 AM

(salam),

That said, how do you know what he looks like. You been spending time out of your rijaal studies to watch a little wrestling (or whatever it that Kimbo does) ? :P

That's because he has a life. :P

My view about the picture is that it is utter nonsense. :angry: This suits him more:
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I could just look at this picture all day long. :wub: :wub:

For anyone who disagrees, here are two illustrations of the Prophet (pbuh). Does that make him look Chinese, and have hair reaching his waist?
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wa (salam)

#19 Qa'im

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 11:01 AM

(salam)

The depiction in post 18 is just your stereotypical good looking man, and isn't based on any historic descriptions of the Imam (as).

I've heard a number of times that the Imam was darker skinned (in contrast to the Prophet (pbuh)), light mustache and thick white beard (Shi'i fiqh on a beard is that it should be as long as a hand's grasp of it), muscular, a belly and bulky figure, etc.

Let's not paganize the religion though:

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Edited by Qa'im, 23 March 2010 - 11:02 AM.


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Posted 23 March 2010 - 11:05 AM

Of course the story just made up and I highly doubt you'll find this picture in some Roman museum. As to why I'm so certain the story isn't true, and why the picture isn't likely more than a hundred or so years old (if that), it's because no one, Roman or otherwise, drew like that back then. Here's artwork from around that time period (I think I've posted this image before):

455px-Meister_der_Demetrius-Kirche_in_Saloniki_002.jpg

See how different it is?

And anyhow, do you really think Amir al-Mu'mineen (as) would have sat down and posed for someone to draw a picture of him??

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 02:09 PM

(salam),

That's because he has a life. :P

My view about the picture is that it is utter nonsense. :angry: This suits him more:
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I could just look at this picture all day long. :wub: :wub:
wa (salam)


Do you actually believe that this picture is even near to the Imâm (ÑÖí Çááå Úäå)? These are typical some sort of Persian drawings like this one;

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 02:18 PM

very close.

or almost same.

This suits him more:
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I could just look at this picture all day long. :wub: :wub:

Really blind faith.

May Allah guide you.

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 02:19 PM

(salam),

Do you actually believe that this picture is even near to the Imâm (ÑÖí Çááå Úäå)? These are typical some sort of Persian drawings like this one;

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Nope. I don't believe it is even near to the real appearance of Imam Ali (as). But pay it a thought; if mere imagination of a person can make the Imams look so handsome and beautiful, how handsome must they be in real life. After all, Allah is the 'Best of Creators'. (23:14)

The picture yunus posted, is definitely less accurate than the one I posted. It is a result of poor imagination + poor artistic skill + poor resources + the hand of a man jealous of Imam Ali (as) + a possible inspiration from Kimbo Slice. ;)

wa (salam)

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 03:52 PM

Subhanallah !! 23 Posts on this?!

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Posted 23 March 2010 - 04:28 PM

(salam)



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Compare this to the Iraqi version of Guru Nanak.

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