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#1 bint e ali

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 02:15 PM

hamari mustanad kitabon me mutta ka bohat clear ahkamat milte han or baz books me jese haq ul yaqeen or shafi jese books me yahan tuk likha ha k mutta kerne wala hazrat ali or hazrat muhammad SAW jesa maqam pai ga to phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta .to phir sunnion ka ye kehna sahi ha k mutta ik fahsh amal ha jis ko shia mazhab halal kehta ha or agar halal kehta ha to phir apni mao behno k liye khule dil se qabool kiun nahi kerta

#2 asher

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:00 PM

hamari mustanad kitabon me mutta ka bohat clear ahkamat milte han or baz books me jese haq ul yaqeen or shafi jese books me yahan tuk likha ha k mutta kerne wala hazrat ali or hazrat muhammad SAW jesa maqam pai ga to phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta .to phir sunnion ka ye kehna sahi ha k mutta ik fahsh amal ha jis ko shia mazhab halal kehta ha or agar halal kehta ha to phir apni mao behno k liye khule dil se qabool kiun nahi kerta



is topic par pehaly baat hochuki hey dost AUR rahi baat jo aap keh rahey hein tu yeh tu suna hi hoga "kitab dost bhi hey aur dushman bhi"...Achi kitab achayi sikhaye gi ,buri kitaab gumrah karey gi.Kitaab tu shayed buri na hou kiyun key jis ney likhi hogi us ko woh baatein sahi lagti hoongi tu (smajhney waley par munhasir hey)

aur agr waaqiyan mein aap ko woh janana hey jo sach hey aur jo sahi hey tu issi topic sey related mein ney kayi jaga baat ki hey,aap is topic sey related forums ko khool kar check karein and dekhein key mein ney kiya baat ki hey aur baaqi sab key kiya nazriye hein.
is urdu forum par tu nahin,liken baaqi dosrey forums jahan yeh baat hoti hey

Is key ilawa agr aap quran bhut zouq-o-shauq sey parhtey hein aur us ki ayaton ko sirf parhtey hi nahin smajhney ki bhi kooshish kartey hein tu Quran sey behtar koi kitab nahin.
InshaAllah,aap ko apney is sawal ka jawab wahan mil jaye ga.
Saath saath duaon ko bhi jariye rakhiye ga

Waisey aap key sawal mein hi aap ka jawab maujood hey,alhamdulillah
Bus aap ko samjhney ki zaroorat hey. :angel:

Jazakallah kheir
Allah sab ko hidayat dey

Edited by asher, 07 October 2009 - 03:04 PM.


#3 MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:25 PM

Islam aur muslaman mei bohat bara farq hai.. Kissi nay kaha tha kay islam duniya ka behtreen mazhab hai or musalman badtareen follower. Yaha bhee wohee masla hai.. kiyonkay log isko passand nahi kartay ya upni maoo behno kay liyay yeh lafz sunna bhee nahi passand kartay, issay jaiz ya najiaz hona bilkol sabit nahi hota.

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 03:31 PM

kiyonkay log isko passand nahi kartay ya upni maoo behno kay liyay yeh lafz sunna bhee nahi passand kartay, issay jaiz ya najiaz hona bilkol sabit nahi hota.


Dost faraqh hota hey.Zara samajh kar tu dekho.Bhut bara faraq dikhey ga.
Quran ko dil sey parh kar tu dekho asr hoga(InshaAllah)

us ki ayaton ko tu samajh kar dekho rooshni hogi.(InshaAllah)

Allah sey muhabbat kar key tu dekho dil ka sukoon miley ga

Us sey dua maang kar tu dekho dil sey,us sey hidayat maang kar tu dekho...Us sey woh ilm maang kar tu dekho jo nafa dey ..

us sey woh rasta mango jo seedha hou,woh cheez jis mein us ki raza hou...

Faraq dikhey ga....
Zaroor dikhey ga..(inshaAllah)


Quran humein sikhata hey...aksar aakhri ayaton mein aap ney suna hoga...
'in ayaton mein gour-o-fikr karney walon key liye nishaniyan hein'

Edited by asher, 07 October 2009 - 03:33 PM.


#5 bint e ali

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Posted 07 October 2009 - 09:31 PM

i m sorry me galat jaga per agayi hoon me kai sunni or wahabhi forums pe jati hoon muje afsoos ha k itne nonserious or la ilm log un me nahi wahan bhi youngsters mojood han lakin jin baton me ap log uljhe hoe han wo log nahi

muje apne shia hone pe dukh horaha ha khas ker khak e batool ki baten sun ker jin ko naam ka bhi ahtaram nahi

#6 Syed Demanding

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 01:34 AM

hamari mustanad kitabon me mutta ka bohat clear ahkamat milte han or baz books me jese haq ul yaqeen or shafi jese books me yahan tuk likha ha k mutta kerne wala hazrat ali or hazrat muhammad SAW jesa maqam pai ga to phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta .to phir sunnion ka ye kehna sahi ha k mutta ik fahsh amal ha jis ko shia mazhab halal kehta ha or agar halal kehta ha to phir apni mao behno k liye khule dil se qabool kiun nahi kerta

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Loag Fake Profiles Sa Aa Kar Jo Kahain Gay Hum Maan Lan Gay?
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Ya Uski Baat Ka Jawaab Dan Gay?
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Behrhaal Jo Ap Na Farmaya Ka Muttah Karnay Walay Nabi Or Imam Jasa Ha,Hairta Ha Mujhay
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Ap Khud Ko Shia Kah Rahy Han,Mujhay Koi Sahih Riwayat Dikha Dan To Maan Jaon Apko,It's
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My Challenge To You,
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muje apne shia hone pe dukh horaha ha

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Ya Baat Kahnay Wala Kuch Bhe Ho Sakta Ha Mgar Shia Nahy,
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Behrhaal Muttah ik Sahulat Ha,Sahaaba Na Bhe Muttah Kiya,Ya ik Temporary Nikah Ha,Jis

Main 2 Loag ik Tay Shuda Arsa Tak ik Dosray Ka Sath Rahtay Han,Or Muddat Khatam Honay

Par Woh ik Dosray Sa Alag Ho Jatay Han Or Mehram Nahy Rahtay,
..
Wasalam

#7 saba fatima naqvi

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 03:13 AM

salam,

ye sab Fiqhi,Sharaai masaail hain.

yahan yani Urdu Sub Forum mien aap ko, dil o jigar ko tapanay walay raqeeb, ishq mien roosva, mohabbat mien andhay, piyar mien pagal, es per lattoo, us per wari, sab mil jaain gain, laikin aAp kay sawal ka jawab nahi mil paai ga.

LMAO.

#8 MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 08:18 AM

Itna hangama kiss baat pay ho raha hia... eik cheez jaiz hai to jaiz hai.. agar samjh nahi atta kiyo jaiz hai to upnay app say larain.. SC pay nahi.. or agar yeh gilla hai kay log isko jaiz kiyo nahimantay to loggo key sooch pay aitraaz karein shia mazhab pay nahi... and yes.. chahee koiee kuch kahey.. mei gunnahgar banda hoon lekin is baat pay fakhar hai kay shia hoon.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:07 AM

i love this dramas ^_^

#10 bint e ali

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 02:01 PM

syed _demanding me ap ko kal tuk wo sare references dikha doon gi jis me ye kaha gaya ha k mutta kerne wala imam or nabi k derja per ajata ha ,isi ko perh ker to khud per afsoos hoa to apne shia behn bhaion me akar apne dil ka gubar nikal diya ,meri to sirf itni khawahish ha k kash ye mutta jesi manhoos cheez hamare mazhab e shia se nikal di jai kiun k muje gair muslimo or gair shion ko is hawale se face krte hoe barii sharam ati ha

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 02:17 PM

Appko sharm atti hai us amal say jo khuda nay jaiz qarrar diya hai to phir aisa karein kahee aisee jaga jakay rahey jo khuda nay khalq nahi key ho.. or wahee pay jakay ghair muslimo ka samna bhee karein.

Herat hotie hia upnay shio key sooch per.

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 06:42 PM

OHHHH PLZZZZZZZZZZ...BEFORE ANYBODY REPLIES IN HERE......PLEASE CHK OUT THE INTENTIONS OF THE TOPIC STARTER:

hamari mustanad kitabon me mutta ka bohat clear ahkamat milte han or baz books me jese haq ul yaqeen or shafi jese books me yahan tuk likha ha k mutta kerne wala hazrat ali or hazrat muhammad SAW jesa maqam pai ga to phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta .to phir sunnion ka ye kehna sahi ha k mutta ik fahsh amal ha jis ko shia mazhab halal kehta ha or agar halal kehta ha to phir apni mao behno k liye khule dil se qabool kiun nahi kerta


yeh alfaaz koyee shia apne mu'n se ada nahee karsakta........
1) KOYEE BHEE SHIA MUHAMMAD (s.a.w) AUR AAL E MUHAMMAD (a.s) KE BAARE MEI AISA TASAWWUR BHEE NAHEE KARSAKTA KE WOH UNKE RUTBE TAK PHONCHE...
2) KOYEE SHIA APNE AAPKO ALAG 'MAZHAB' NAHEE KEHELWAYE GA......


aur just incase agar mei 0.00000000000001% chance hai ke mei galat hu'n, to APP PLEASE APNA LEHJA DURUST KEEJIYE.....AUR AAP PLEASE SHIA ISLAM KE BAARE MEI PARHYE AUR PHIR WAHAABIYO'n SE BAAT KARAI'N....APNEE KITAABAI'n PARHEE NAHEE AUR WAHAABI SE BAAT KARNE CHAL DIYE......PEHLE GRADE 1 KA AQAID TO PARHO, PHIR JAAKAR HUQQUL YAQEEN AUR DOOSREE AISEE AZEEM KITAABO'N KE BAARE MEI BAAAT KARNA.....AAP KEE MISAAL WOHEE HAI KE 2 DIN KE BACHE KO THEEKEE NIHAAREE KHILADENA>....PETH TO KHARAB HOGA HEE NA......


useless topic...

#13 saba fatima naqvi

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Posted 08 October 2009 - 10:00 PM

meri to sirf itni khawahish ha k kash ye mutta jesi manhoos cheez hamare mazhab e shia se nikal di jai kiun k muje gair muslimo or gair shion ko is hawale se face krte hoe barii sharam ati ha

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salam,

Aray koi hanggama ya jhagdha thori ho raha hai. sab ko apnay apny khayalaat derj kerney ka haq hai.

LOL,ya wanted me to comment on this topic.

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 01:12 PM

OHHHH PLZZZZZZZZZZ...BEFORE ANYBODY REPLIES IN HERE......PLEASE CHK OUT THE INTENTIONS OF THE TOPIC STARTER:



yeh alfaaz koyee shia apne mu'n se ada nahee karsakta........
1) KOYEE BHEE SHIA MUHAMMAD (s.a.w) AUR AAL E MUHAMMAD (a.s) KE BAARE MEI AISA TASAWWUR BHEE NAHEE KARSAKTA KE WOH UNKE RUTBE TAK PHONCHE...
2) KOYEE SHIA APNE AAPKO ALAG 'MAZHAB' NAHEE KEHELWAYE GA......


aur just incase agar mei 0.00000000000001% chance hai ke mei galat hu'n, to APP PLEASE APNA LEHJA DURUST KEEJIYE.....AUR AAP PLEASE SHIA ISLAM KE BAARE MEI PARHYE AUR PHIR WAHAABIYO'n SE BAAT KARAI'N....APNEE KITAABAI'n PARHEE NAHEE AUR WAHAABI SE BAAT KARNE CHAL DIYE......PEHLE GRADE 1 KA AQAID TO PARHO, PHIR JAAKAR HUQQUL YAQEEN AUR DOOSREE AISEE AZEEM KITAABO'N KE BAARE MEI BAAAT KARNA.....AAP KEE MISAAL WOHEE HAI KE 2 DIN KE BACHE KO THEEKEE NIHAAREE KHILADENA>....PETH TO KHARAB HOGA HEE NA......


useless topic...



Salam ,

you have a point dear.I also see "bint-e ali" as a case of impersonification [as Shia].

The debate can be done even without disguising oneself as Shia.

Mut-aa is not a black spot on Shism that Shias will hesitate to debate on it.

wassalam

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Posted 09 October 2009 - 04:10 PM

salam,

aAp kiya kehna chah rehai hain asher, kuch samajhnahi aya?

kiya aap kehrehai hain kay sunnat e Rasool[pbuh]ko badal dena jaaiz hai?

ws



(bismillah)


Walaikum salaam, :cry:

Sunnat-e-rasool (pbuh) ki sunnat par chalney key liye tu mein duayein kart hoon.Mein aisa kiyun kahon?Nazu-billah.......

Dost agr aap ney meri aakhri post ka aakhri fiqra parha hey tu us par zara gaur karein.Allah ney quran mein ayaton key aakhir mein aksar yeh farmaya hey khe meri ayaton par gaur karney walon key liye nishaniyan hein..

Is surah ki ayat dekhein aur us par gaur karein :(surah rum)
http://www.quranweb.org/urdu/

Is surat ki ayat raqam 3 par (surah nisa) aur ayat raqam 24 par gaur karein :
http://www.quranweb.org/urdu/

Sirf in ayaton ko agr aap gaur sey parhein aur samjhney ki kooshish karein duaon ko saath jari rakhtey huey(khe Allah mujehy nafay wala ilm ata kar)tu inshaAllah jinhon ney sawal kiya hey "muta" ka in ayaton mein in ka jawab pooshida hey.

Shaadi mein aur muta mein faraqh wazhiya hey.Is ko jaan lenay key bawajood agr aap ussi rah par chalna chahtey hein jo andheray ki taraf ley kar jaye tu Allah key siwa koi hidayat nahin dey sakta.

mein nahin keht khe mein bhut sahih aur seedhay rastey par chalta hoon,albatta duayein hameshan kart hoon...alhamdulillah...

Jis dost ney yeh sawal kiya us mein jawab maujood tha..tu is ka jawab tu unkey sawal key andar tha..
"phir hamare yahan is topic per bat kerna bhi zaroori nahi samjha jata or koi baap apni beti or koi bhai apni bhan k liye mutta ko pasaand nahi kerta "....
yehi is ka jawab hey.Is key ilawa bhi bhut hein liken guro-fikr karney walon jaisey key quran ney kaha.

Sab sey bari baat jo yahan horahi hey.."Shia muslim"....Quran ney ya Allah ney islam key mananey walon ko musalman kaha hey..."shia"..ya "sunni"..nahin...

Surah hajj ki ayat raqam 78 dekhein:
http://www.quranweb.org/urdu/

Humein dosron sey seekhnay key liye Allah ney kabhi mana nahin kiya liken Allah ney yeh bhi kaha hey guro-fikr karo.Ab guro-fikr tu insaan ka dimag khud hi karey ga ,koi dosra tu nahin.. :angel:

Mutah ek waqt key liye sahi tha liken us key baad aney wali nasloon key liye is ko haraam qarar dey diya gaya tha.Ab aney waley kuch logon ney woh baatein nikali hein jo us waqt key liye jayiz thein liken baad mein haraam keh di gayein thein.Woh khud bhi gumrah hein aur logon ko bhi kar rahey hein.Aap shayed meri baaton ko parh kar kahein mein kaun haut hoon yeh kehnay wal?
Liken quran par gaur farmayein,aap ko us key andar hi is ka jawab mil jaye ga.inshaAllah


Sach aur jhoot key faraqh ko janana zaroori hey aur zaroori nahin her insaan sahi hou.Insaan khatayon ko putla hey.
Anbiya karaam (as) sey bhi ghaltiyan huein.


Liken sab sey barh kar insaan woh hey jo apni ghaltiyon ko samjhey aur Allah ki bargaah mein maafi mangey...

Ayatein mein ney aap ko dikha di hein,is par guro-fikr karna aur samjhna aap ka kaam hey jo key Allah ki madad key beghair na mumkin hey.

Meri Allah sey dua hey ko woh sab ko hidayat dey aur nafey waley ilm sey rooshna karey aur humein apney hifzo-aman mein rakhey :cry:

Wasalaam


Edited by asher, 09 October 2009 - 04:14 PM.


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Posted 10 October 2009 - 05:26 AM

ji jahaan tak mujhe pta ha to mutta ik mubha amal ha jis se na to koi gunnah milta ha or na sawab or jahaan tak HAZRAT MUHAMMAD(SAWW),HAZRAT ALI(AS), OR HAZRAT IMAM HUSSAIN (as) ke darje tak pohanchne wali bat ha to ham kabhi bhe wahaan tak nai pohanch sakte, mujhe dosre shioon ka to nai pta par ham isna ashri shioon ka ye aqeda bilkul nai ha ke jo khuch hamari kitaboon main likha ha wo 100% sahi ha balke in main bhe bohat si zaeeef rawayaat (ghatiyaan) mojood hain jis ki nishaandehi hamare ulma kar chuke hain jaise ALLAMA BAQIR MAJLISI ne maratul kool main isool e kafi ki bohat si ghaltiyaan nikali hain.
W SALAM
YA ALI MADAD
maine ye post apne ilm ke hisaab se ki ha koi ghalti ho to us ke liye mazrat khowaan hoon


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Posted 10 October 2009 - 05:38 AM

asher bhai kiya aap mujhe btaoo ge ke muta kab se haraam ho gya or kiss ne kiya??????????????

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:02 AM

asher bhai kiya aap mujhe btaoo ge ke muta kab se haraam ho gya or kiss ne kiya??????????????


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لھذا اس بنا پر نکاح متعہ زنا شمار ہوگا ، اگرچہ مرد اورعورت دونوں اس پر رضامند بھی ہوں اورمدت بھی لمبی ہوجائے اورمہر بھی ادا کردیا جائے ، اس نکاح کی اباحت شریعت اسلامیہ میں صرف فتح مکہ کے زمانہ کے علاوہ نہیں ملتی ، جہاں پر بہت سارے نئے نئے مسلمان بھی حاضر ہوئے تھے اوران کے ارتداد کا خوف تھا ، کیونکہ وہ جاہلیت میں زنا کے عادی تھے توان کے لیے صرف یہ نکاح تین دن تک کے لیے مباح کیا گیا اوراس کے بعد قیامت تک کے لیے حرام قرار دیا گیا ، جیسا کہ صحیح مسلم کی حدیث نمبر ( 1406 ) میں مذکور ہے ۔ .

Edited by asher, 15 October 2009 - 11:04 AM.


#19 asher

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 11:14 AM

(bismillah)

(salam)


Narrated by Muslim, 1406.

Allaah has made marriage one of His signs which calls us to think and ponder. He has created love and compassion between the spouses, and has made the wife a source of tranquility for the husband. He encouraged us to have children and decreed that a woman should wait out the ‘iddah period and may inherit. None of that exists in this haraam form of marriage.

A woman who is married in a mut’ah marriage, according to the Raafidis – i.e. the Shi’ah, who are the ones who say that this is permissible – is neither a wife nor a concubine. But Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“And those who guard their chastity (i.e. private parts, from illegal sexual acts)

Except from their wives or (the slaves) that their right hands possess, for then, they are free from blame;

But whoever seeks beyond that, then those are the transgressors”

[al-Mu’minoon 23:5-7]


The Raafidis quote invalid evidence to support their argument that mut’ah is permissible. For example:

Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã They quote the verse in which Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“…so with those of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations, give them their Mahr as prescribed…”

[al-Nisa’ 4:24]


They say: this verse indicates that mut’ah is permissible, and the word ‘their mahr (ujoorahunna – lit. their dues or their wages)’ is evidence that what is meant by the phrase ‘you have enjoyed sexual relations’ is mut’ah.

The refutation of this is the fact that prior to this Allaah mentions the women whom a man is forbidden to marry, then he mentions what is permissible for him, and He commands the man to give to the woman he marries her mahr.

The joy of marriage is expressed here by the word enjoyment (‘of whom you have enjoyed sexual relations’). A similar instance occurs in the Sunnah, in the hadeeth of Abu Hurayrah according to which the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) said: “Woman is like a bent rib, if you try to straighten her you will break her. If you want to enjoy her, then enjoy her while she still has some crookedness in her.”

Narrated by al-Bukhaari, 4889; Muslim, 1468.

The mahr is referred to here as ajr (lit. dues or wages), but this does not refer to the money which is paid to the woman with whom he engages in mut’ah in the contract of mut’ah. The mahr is referred to as ajr elsewhere in the Book of Allaah, where Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning):

“O Prophet (Muhammad)! Verily, We have made lawful to you your wives, to whom you have paid their Mahr (bridal‑money given by the husband to his wife at the time of marriage)…”

[al-Ahzaab 33:50]


Thus it becomes clear that there is no evidence in this verse to suggest that mut’ah is permissible.

Even if we were to say for argument’s sake that this verse indicates that mut’ah is permitted, we would still say that it is abrogated by the reports in the saheeh Sunnah which prove that mut’ah is forbidden until the Day of Resurrection.

(B ) The reports that some of the Sahaabah regarded it as being permissible, especially Ibn ‘Abbaas.

The refutation here is the fact that the Raafidis are following their own whims and desires, because they regard the companions of the Prophet (may Allaah be pleased with them) as kaafirs, then you see them quoting their actions as permissible in this instance and in others.

With regard to those who said that it is permissible, they are among those who did not hear that it had been forbidden. The Sahaabah (may Allaah be pleased with them) – including ‘Ali ibn Abi Taalib and ‘Abd-Allaah ibn al-Zubayr – refuted Ibn ‘Abbaas’s view that mut’ah was permitted.


It was narrated from ‘Ali that he heard Ibn ‘Abbaas permitting mut’ah marriage, and he said, “Wait a minute, O Ibn ‘Abbaas, for the Messenger of Allaah (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him) forbade it on the day of Khaybar and (he also forbade) the meat of tame donkeys.”

Narrated by Muslim, 1407.


Note :

Agr aap ko is zabaan mein samajh na aaye tu pooch lena.Mein tarjuma karney ki kooshish karon g.
Mein ney kooshish tu ki liken problem aarahi thi post kartey huey aur woh shayed kisi ko samajh na aata kiyun key urdu zabaan key har lafz key tukrey ho rahey they jab mein post kart :lol:

(wasalam)

Edited by asher, 15 October 2009 - 11:26 AM.


#20 MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT

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Posted 15 October 2009 - 03:24 PM

Asher is forum ka naam hai shiachat... to agar shio ko kissi cheez kay baray mei convince karna hia to shia hadith paish karoo.. or agar shia sunni discussion cahhtay ho to uskay liyay bhee eik section mojood hia waha pay post kar saktay ho.

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Posted 17 October 2009 - 06:09 PM

Muttah qayamat taq jaiz hai. Orr aap ko kiss nae majboor kia hai kae zaroor muttah karo. Aap nahin karna chahtae ya chahteen toe na karain. iss main kya hai? Jaisae jaisae dunya aagae ja rahee hai iss kisam kae nikkah kee ehmiyat barhatee ja rahee hai. Khaas torr per jab kae dunya main itnee fahashi orr bae pardagee aam hoe gayee hai jahan per banda e momin ka imaan khatrae main hai toe Muttah aik rehmat bann kar uss kae liyae aya hai kae agar banda e momin Nikkah e Ghair Daimii nahin kar sakta toe Nikkah e Muwaqat ya Muttah kar lae taqae Gunnah sae bach sakae.

Ajeeb baat yae hai kae main aik parhee likhee Lawyer community sae taluq rakhta hoon orr main bohat sae aisae logoon koe janta hoon jo herr kissam kee ghair ikhlaqee sargarmioon main mulawiss hain. Woe sharaab peetae hain orr koee hee hafta aisa guzarta hai jiss main woe Zina na kartae hoon. Qahba khanae inn logoon nae bharae huwain hain magar mujhae hairat hai kae yahee logg sabb sae zayada Muttah kae khilaaf boltae hain. Muttah toe sirf aik contract hai orr contract dono atraaf kee marzee sae hota hai agar koee iss ko acha nahin samajhta toe uss koe kiss nae force kia hai kae woe zaroor muttah karae magar iss koe bura kehna ya Zina sae badtar kahna ya Sharayee ehkaam ka mazaak urrana sareehan Kufr hai. Abb aap shoq sae jitna marzee Kufr karain woe aap janain orr Allah janae.

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 02:56 PM

:lol:

Asher is forum ka naam hai shiachat... to agar shio ko kissi cheez kay baray mei convince karna hia to shia hadith paish karoo.. or agar shia sunni discussion cahhtay ho to uskay liyay bhee eik section mojood hia waha pay post kar saktay ho.


(bismillah)

(salam)

Meray bhai issi baat ka tu dukh hey :( khe is forum ka naam shia chat hey,kaash aye kaash is forum ka naam muslim chat hota tu aaj jo yahan sab kuch horaha hey us ki shayed naubat hi nahin aati....

Aap ka kehnay ka matlab hey khe shio ko convince karny key liye shia hadith lani parey gi.
Liken janab aisi tu koi hadith hey hi nahin... ^_^ ....

Aap ko kis ney kaha khe mein sunni hoon....hum sey milein hum "musalmaan hein"..
Jo in tafaraqoon key chakroon sey barey paar hein(alhamdulillah),sach ki talaash hey aur us key liye apney Rub sey dua hey....

Sach ka raasta mushkil hey liken mayossi karna bhi tu kufr hey... B)

Hum tu sirf un logon ko jinhon ney sawaal kiya ,un ka jwab dey r hoon...kiyun key islam ney kabhi tafarqey nahin banaye aur na kaha..Aaj ki duniya mein agr sach ko dhoondna hey tu pehlay dua aur phir saarey tafaraqoon sey bahir aana parey ga aur sach ko dhoondna hoga duaon ko saath jari rakhtey huey..

Duaon ka is sey kiya taluq ? Taluq hey kiyun key kabhi key baar insaan sach ki talaash mein tu nikal parta hey liken gumrah hojaata hey ,andheron mein doob jata hey aur ussi ko sach maan leta hey.In andherron sey bachney ka sirf or sirf rasta Allah key paas hey kiyun khe woh sab Jananey wala hey.Us ki madad key beghair kuch bhi mumkin nahin...

Waisey aap ney mushwara diya,us key liye jazakallah kheir... :)

Allah hum sab ko seeeeeedhay rastey par chalaye...

Ek tu seedhay rastey key neechay aag hi aag hey... :lol:


(wasalam)

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 03:06 PM

Muttah qayamat taq jaiz hai. Orr aap ko kiss nae majboor kia hai kae zaroor muttah karo. Aap nahin karna chahtae ya chahteen toe na karain. iss main kya hai? Jaisae jaisae dunya aagae ja rahee hai iss kisam kae nikkah kee ehmiyat barhatee ja rahee hai. Khaas torr per jab kae dunya main itnee fahashi orr bae pardagee aam hoe gayee hai jahan per banda e momin ka imaan khatrae main hai toe Muttah aik rehmat bann kar uss kae liyae aya hai kae agar banda e momin Nikkah e Ghair Daimii nahin kar sakta toe Nikkah e Muwaqat ya Muttah kar lae taqae Gunnah sae bach sakae.

Ajeeb baat yae hai kae main aik parhee likhee Lawyer community sae taluq rakhta hoon orr main bohat sae aisae logoon koe janta hoon jo herr kissam kee ghair ikhlaqee sargarmioon main mulawiss hain. Woe sharaab peetae hain orr koee hee hafta aisa guzarta hai jiss main woe Zina na kartae hoon. Qahba khanae inn logoon nae bharae huwain hain magar mujhae hairat hai kae yahee logg sabb sae zayada Muttah kae khilaaf boltae hain. Muttah toe sirf aik contract hai orr contract dono atraaf kee marzee sae hota hai agar koee iss ko acha nahin samajhta toe uss koe kiss nae force kia hai kae woe zaroor muttah karae magar iss koe bura kehna ya Zina sae badtar kahna ya Sharayee ehkaam ka mazaak urrana sareehan Kufr hai. Abb aap shoq sae jitna marzee Kufr karain woe aap janain orr Allah janae.


(salam)


mein ney uppar bhut bari post post ki hey... :angel: Bhut bari post,elephant jitni...... :lol:

Shayed aap ney parhi nahin...

Meri kooshish rehti hey khe mein quran sey jitni ayaat nikal kar la sakoon ya mujhey milein tu mein unhein sey logon tak is ka paigaam phunchaon.Kiyun hadith ley kar jao tu hameshan koi na koi baat khari hojaati hey(ziyada tar khe woh kitni sahih hey)liken kam sey kam quran ki ayatein dekh kar log gour-o-fikr tu karein gey...tab bhi na karein..........tu....tu......?

Dua hey khe karein :lol:
(Aur meri post mein alhamdulillah wahi hey.)


Agr aap gooro-fikr karein ya un ayaton ko parhein tu is ka jawab mil jaye ga khe mutah halaal nhin ,haraam hey..

InshaAllah,agr zindagi rahi aur agr Allah ney mujhey sahi ilm sey nawaza(woh ilm jo sirf nafa dey)tu mein zaroor is key nuqsaanat sey bhi agah karon g.[Zaroor nawazey ga....kiyun key woh nawazta hey jab banda us sey mangta hey bus kabhi kabhi thori deir kar deta hey ^_^ ]


Sirf zaroorat hy fikr ki jo khe log nahin kar rahey :cry:


Allah hum sab ko sahi raah dikhaye...

(wasalam)

Edited by asher, 18 October 2009 - 03:09 PM.


#24 dan_rafi

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 04:21 PM

Mutah zindabaad :D

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Posted 18 October 2009 - 11:26 PM

First of all, I apologize for posting in English on an Urdu forum, but my Urdu typing is really bad :P
If anyone wants to reply to my post they can do so in Urdu if they wish since I'll understand it, but don't expect my reply to be in Urdu too ;)

syed _demanding me ap ko kal tuk wo sare references dikha doon gi jis me ye kaha gaya ha k mutta kerne wala imam or nabi k derja per ajata ha ,isi ko perh ker to khud per afsoos hoa to apne shia behn bhaion me akar apne dil ka gubar nikal diya ,meri to sirf itni khawahish ha k kash ye mutta jesi manhoos cheez hamare mazhab e shia se nikal di jai kiun k muje gair muslimo or gair shion ko is hawale se face krte hoe barii sharam ati ha


You do know that you're calling something the Prophet(pbuh) allowed and our Imams allowed "manhoos". I agree with you that Muta is not so appropriate for our time (but for different reasons than you, I think that the original reasons for Mutah no longer apply to us, and nowadays it's just getting abused by lustful guys taking advantage of women), but no Shia, even anti-muta ones, should call it "manhoos".

Muttah qayamat taq jaiz hai. Orr aap ko kiss nae majboor kia hai kae zaroor muttah karo. Aap nahin karna chahtae ya chahteen toe na karain. iss main kya hai? Jaisae jaisae dunya aagae ja rahee hai iss kisam kae nikkah kee ehmiyat barhatee ja rahee hai. Khaas torr per jab kae dunya main itnee fahashi orr bae pardagee aam hoe gayee hai jahan per banda e momin ka imaan khatrae main hai toe Muttah aik rehmat bann kar uss kae liyae aya hai kae agar banda e momin Nikkah e Ghair Daimii nahin kar sakta toe Nikkah e Muwaqat ya Muttah kar lae taqae Gunnah sae bach sakae.

Ajeeb baat yae hai kae main aik parhee likhee Lawyer community sae taluq rakhta hoon orr main bohat sae aisae logoon koe janta hoon jo herr kissam kee ghair ikhlaqee sargarmioon main mulawiss hain. Woe sharaab peetae hain orr koee hee hafta aisa guzarta hai jiss main woe Zina na kartae hoon. Qahba khanae inn logoon nae bharae huwain hain magar mujhae hairat hai kae yahee logg sabb sae zayada Muttah kae khilaaf boltae hain. Muttah toe sirf aik contract hai orr contract dono atraaf kee marzee sae hota hai agar koee iss ko acha nahin samajhta toe uss koe kiss nae force kia hai kae woe zaroor muttah karae magar iss koe bura kehna ya Zina sae badtar kahna ya Sharayee ehkaam ka mazaak urrana sareehan Kufr hai. Abb aap shoq sae jitna marzee Kufr karain woe aap janain orr Allah janae.


And really it all comes down to that, it's jaiz and will be until a marja disallows it or something. As for the hypocrite lawyers you know, it's best to ignore them because they're hypocrites for a reason. Also, introduce them to the concept of Nikah Misyar, which is allowed in Sunni Islam, they may be stunned to find out how similar it is to Nikah Muta.

(salam)


mein ney uppar bhut bari post post ki hey... :angel: Bhut bari post,elephant jitni...... :lol:

Shayed aap ney parhi nahin...

Meri kooshish rehti hey khe mein quran sey jitni ayaat nikal kar la sakoon ya mujhey milein tu mein unhein sey logon tak is ka paigaam phunchaon.Kiyun hadith ley kar jao tu hameshan koi na koi baat khari hojaati hey(ziyada tar khe woh kitni sahih hey)liken kam sey kam quran ki ayatein dekh kar log gour-o-fikr tu karein gey...tab bhi na karein..........tu....tu......?

Dua hey khe karein :lol:
(Aur meri post mein alhamdulillah wahi hey.)


Agr aap gooro-fikr karein ya un ayaton ko parhein tu is ka jawab mil jaye ga khe mutah halaal nhin ,haraam hey..

InshaAllah,agr zindagi rahi aur agr Allah ney mujhey sahi ilm sey nawaza(woh ilm jo sirf nafa dey)tu mein zaroor is key nuqsaanat sey bhi agah karon g.[Zaroor nawazey ga....kiyun key woh nawazta hey jab banda us sey mangta hey bus kabhi kabhi thori deir kar deta hey ^_^ ]


Sirf zaroorat hy fikr ki jo khe log nahin kar rahey :cry:


Allah hum sab ko sahi raah dikhaye...

(wasalam)


You did post a huge post, but it was from a wahabi reference. I mean they're throwing out the term "rafidi", when referring to Shias, like it's no one's business, you can't honestly expect Shias to take that seriously.

Again, apologize for no Urdu.



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