Jump to content
Abdullah_A

Are Ismaili muslims?

Recommended Posts

On 06/01/2017 at 5:10 PM, Mansur Bakhtiari said:

:salam:

Aga Khan claims:

He is the manifestation (Mazhar) of God (Nauzubillah)

The final report of this Paris Conference was printed in May 5, 1975 from Nairobi, Kenya. It was published by the co-ordinator for the Ismailia Association Central Co-ordination Office, Mr. Eqbal Rupani. Reproduced below is the officially defined "Concept of Imamah", as it appears on page six of the said Paris Conference Report: 
 

"The Imam to be explained as'mazhar' of God, and the relationship between God and the Imam to be related to varying levels of inspiration and communication from God to man"

http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?69860-Karim-Aga-Khan-Is-he-Muslim

There is a 12.5% inflated zakat given to the Aga Khan yearly

No hijab required, despite Quran verses:

Quran 24:30

“...and not display their beauty except what is apparent, and they should place their head scarves over their bosoms...”

Quran 33:59

“O Prophet! Say to your wives, your daughters, and the women of the believers that: they should let down upon themselves their jalabib (long overgarment.”

(He has never been questioned of this. If he comes to Canada Insha Allah I will go ask him if I can)

He does not even require modest dress. Search up "Aga Khan Vacation" (I can't download them on my phone because my mother would think I'm a creep :hahaha:)

One of the reasons Hanafi and Shia fiqh are so similar is because during the Fatimid era, according to The Advent of the Fatimids, the Shia and Hanafi, both oppressed, would study and work together.

The last Aga Khan was influential within all corcles yet never spoke out about 1917 famine caused by British occupation of Iran or of the British caused famine of India.

Some say the Aga Khan is working to build an Ismaili state in Ismaili-Majority parts of Afghanistan, Tajikistan and China.

http://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2013/08/2013828121815583542.htmlIsmaili_Map.jpg

insideismailism.wordpress.com/2015/09/05/wine-into-water/amp/

Recently, Britain’s oldest wine retailer, Berry Bros. & Rudd, featured in the Teredata magazine’s edition of Q4, 2014 mentions it’s proud history by mentioning it’s largest customer. Among the top three of them, is none other than the Aga Khan

 

Other evidences of Aga Khan III exhibiting his love for wine and champagne are provided below with references:

“I am so holy that when I drink wine, it turns to water.”

(Lokhandwalla, S. “Islamic Law and Ismailis”. p.162, footnote 16. Citing Greenwell (1952). His Highness Aga Khan)

“He neither smokes nor drinks hard liquor such as cocktails, only wine.“

Greenwall, H. J. (1952) His Highness the Aga Khan. p.52

“Tell me, how is it that you can drink this wine; I thought your religious principles prevented you drinking wine.” The Aga Khan looked at me and he said : “You see, I am so holy that as soon as I drink the wine it turns to water.“

Greenwall, H. J. (1940) I hate to-morrow. p.255.

Also quoted in Group, Diagram Little Giant Encyclopedia of Toasts and Quotes p.66

“The Aga’s 21st birthday party waxed gayly until 5 a.m. at the Savoy Hotel and the spiritual ruler of 20 million Ismaili Moslems kept the champagne flowing to the end for the 300 guests.”

“Aga Khan Dates Mexican Beauty”. Beaver Valley Times. 16 December 1957.

“I last saw the Aga Khan in January, at the Aqua Santa Country Club in Rome. He came in a wheelchair, accompanied by an attractive nurse with whom he shared a bottle of wine. I remembered the story Somerset Maugham told us, of the day the Aga Khan drank champagne in his house. Maugham asked if drinking spirits was not against his religion. The Aga Khan replied that as a god he passed a miracle just as the wine touched his lips, and turned it into water.“

 

so according to the Aga Khan, I have to deal with avoiding any alcohol once I go onto university and even here in high school, but he's so holy he gets a free pass through all that!!?!?!?!?!??!?!

Again it does not say hijab in the Quran. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

As matter of fact, it's impossible that mu'min kills mu'min on purpose (to sacrifice him/her); and it's forbidden for mu'min to marry a person who commits zina. But, one who commits zina can change themselves, if Allah swt wills so.

There're even much bigger sins then these two and people mostly don't pay too much attention on them. One obvious is: eating what is not halal (allowed) and tayyib (good) and not doing shukr (thanks) to Allah swt while/after eating. This is one form of fisq.

Allah swt knows best.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 07/01/2017 at 8:47 PM, AleviTurkmenKhorasan said:

Again it does not say hijab in the Quran. 

Quran 24:30

" and not display their beauty except what is apparent, and they should place their head scarves over their bosoms...”

head scarves=khimar in Arabic

In the words of Ustadh Nouman Ali Khan, women in Arabia would wear a long scarf tied around their head that had a tail behind their backs. This was called a khimar. So this verse instructs them to have their scarves tied in front.

Quran 33:59

“O Prophet! Say to your wives, your daughters, and the women of the believers that: they should let down upon themselves their jalabib.”

Jalabib=long overgarment

So women should have a scarf tied around their head, then an overgarment like a chador on top. These are the verses in the Quran proving this.

On 10/01/2017 at 8:09 PM, AleviTurkmenKhorasan said:

You cannot be an Alevi, you can obviously repent to Allah but that is upto Allah to forgive, you cannot enter Cem, Semah.  

Not everyone can be an Alevi anyways. 

Ok that makes sense for me now.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 4/10/2015 at 1:44 PM, realizm said:

Salam,

At what period did the Agha khani Ismaïlis dua replace Salah ?

How did the community react ?

By the way, do you have Ulama and madressa or hawza system ?

Aga Khanis never replaced Salah with Ismaili dua.

Let me give you my prospective on this. To understand this you have to go back in history. Ismailis of Indian sub continent were attracted towards Ismailism based on Sufi and Shia principles. Ismaili dais from Egypt, Iran and Central Asia use to visit India and guide Ismailis. Huge amount of hindus were converted to Ismailism. But then King Aurangzeb became king of India. He was very strong Wahabi kind of ruler. He was against Shia and was responsible for the killing of many thousand and thousands of Shias. As Ismailis were Shias, he was asking Ismailis to convert to his version of Islam and bear consequences. Not just the main stream Shias and Ismailis were killed, the head of Bohra Ismaili community was killed by Aurangzeb as well.

Ismailis of that time could not digest the Islam of Aurangzeb. It did not show any single trait of what their Sufi saints taught them about Muhammad. Aurangzeb's version of Islam was very violent, anti-shia, anti-sufi, fundamentalist, forceful, narrow-minded religion.  Either you believe in his ultraconservative form of Islam or else you are kafir.

Many Ismailis decided not be part of Aurangzeb's Islam. And they started siding more and more towards hindu kings who started protecting them from being killed by Aurangzeb. They could not find any peace, integrity, honesty, and submission to Allah in Aurangzeb's version of Islam. Unfortunately, this resulted in them started slowly going away even from main stream Islam. They were again adopting Hindu rituals.  As main stream Islam was controlled by Aurangzeb.

The current Aga Khan's grand father replaced their Indian language dua with Arabic dua consisting mostly the parts of Quran and prayers. Initially, there was resistance. Ismailis don't want to stop saying Indian language dua and they resisted the change. Because they remembered all the bad happened with their forefathers by ultra-fundamentalists. But slowly everyone adopted it. 

Namaz and Dua are two different things. Namaz belongs to the category of Sharia and Ismaili Dua belongs to dua of ismaili Tariqa.

Ismaili Dua is recited 3 times a day. There are 6 rakats in the dua totally 18 rakats.

So to summarize, Namaz was never replaced. Indian language Dua which consist of some hindu prayers were replaced by Ismaili Dua consist of Quran ayahs and prayers. 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/28/2016 at 4:31 PM, Obaidullah27 said:

I am a born ismaili and I am very confused about ismailism. I have attended the jamatkhana regulary throughout my life but as I am learning more about Islam, I do not attend Jamatkhana as much. I am starting to question Ismailism more and more. There is soo much questions in my head but I cannot get any answer out of this sect. Right now im in the air and running around reading about Sunni, Shia, and Ismailism in search for the truth. 

I can confirm that the above statements are not far off. I m not very educated in ismailism and the ginans are in Gujrati (or something) which I dont understand; therefore, I cannot confirm that it is saying Ali is God. Although, by the acts like holding your hands how a Hindu does during Poja, I wouldnt be shocked if they were praying to Imam. I am familiar with "Aliyullah" because it is said many times in duas but i never knew its truth meaning until now. 
Ask me any questions, i promise to you that I will answer them with truth and with what I, personally, know. I cannot confirm everything because it is hard to get answers in jamatkhana if you have questions. Nobody asks questions in jamatkhana so how can we learn. I ve been learning from doing my own researches and the more i learn, the more i get scared about ismailism. 

I am very confused and scared. Please brothers/sisters, pray for me to be guided on to the straight path. 

As salam alaykum and maybe Ya ali madad? Any way I am an ismaili too, I am having same thoughts as you. Asked ismaili gnosis Scholars and was not convinced by their answers as to my question of Is Hazar Imam God? if not then why are we worshiping him rather then Allah?.. I like the first Salam much better then saying Ya ali madad...Hope we find the true deen.. I believe in One God.. Hazar Imam is an Imam of the time who guides us through in this world. that's all. He seems to have some problems of him self and family which he has to take care...I pray for lost Ismaili brothers and sisters. You can try Ismaili Gnosis on Facebook for your questions.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 1/7/2017 at 8:47 PM, AleviTurkmenKhorasan said:

Again it does not say hijab in the Quran. 

It say's about Modesty, something We Ismailies never have in JK except very few.  Shame on us. JK is nothing but Fashion show of Men and Women. I can't even go in Sujood if I wear a Suit. and  they keep on pushing us against each other on Big days. Sorry Brother but we need A change.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 7/27/2017 at 9:36 PM, Aam Admi said:

It say's about Modesty, something We Ismailies never have in JK except very few.  Shame on us. JK is nothing but Fashion show of Men and Women. I can't even go in Sujood if I wear a Suit. and  they keep on pushing us against each other on Big days. Sorry Brother but we need A change.

Yes but what does it mean by modesty?

Physically or within?

As in the piousness of the mind and heart equals good soul 

 

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
On 8/7/2017 at 11:21 AM, AleviTurkmenKhorasan said:

Yes but what does it mean by modesty?

Physically or within?

As in the piousness of the mind and heart equals good soul 

It's respect for the place of Worship to God. not wearing sexy dresses simple, you can do whatever you want to outside the house of God.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now


  • Recent Posts on ShiaChat!

    • وَإِذْ قُلْنَا لِلْمَلَائِكَةِ اسْجُدُوا لِآدَمَ فَسَجَدُوا إِلَّا إِبْلِيسَ كَانَ مِنَ الْجِنِّ فَفَسَقَ عَنْ أَمْرِ رَبِّهِ ۗ أَفَتَتَّخِذُونَهُ وَذُرِّيَّتَهُ أَوْلِيَاءَ مِنْ دُونِي وَهُمْ لَكُمْ عَدُوٌّ ۚ بِئْسَ لِلظَّالِمِينَ بَدَلًا {50} [Pickthal 18:50] And (remember) when We said unto the angels: Fall prostrate before Adam, and they fell prostrate, all save Iblis. He was of the jinn, so he rebelled against his Lord's command. Will ye choose him and his seed for your protecting friends instead of Me, when they are an enemy unto you? Calamitous is the exchange for evil-doers. ***** Why is this CE so successful ?     You/Thay can say anything to get a buyin, ( it does not  have to be true),   make deals with any Majority, ( does not matter who it is, as long as you get the global  Caliphate established. So, there is a Trust factor here, that needs to be considered. What happens to the minority after the victory, is a great unknown, especially with the deal making mentality and saying anything and overlooking anything to get them to be on your/their team at this moment- basically every thing is a fair game, its all a means to an desired End. After that all bests are off. With the use of force, doctrine, which you/they are advocating against the Common enemy. Once you/they are the power why would your doctrine change?  Religion takes the back seat. This all,  sounds like a page out of political islam playbook that grew out of saqifa.
    • Salam, I like this site a lot but sometimes there are some words used that I don't understand. Can someone reply with a brief list of words like for example namaz,... that lot of asian people use regarding islamic stuff so I can learn and understand. Thanks in advance
    • You could have invested in crypto, wait several months/years and made a profit lol
    • I could have, but I didn't do haram.
    • A simple answer, no its not necessary. A muslim by definition is someone who believes in oneness of God and Muhammad S.A.W being last prophet.  There is no condition of love. But as in case of parents we love them for what they have done for us. So, if one believes that God is the one given him life and everything else he/she has, gratitude and love is only natural.
×