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I am a Muslim (not Shia Muslim). I want to know what are the beliefs of Shia Muslims. I have heard from lot of people and books that Shia Muslims do not believe in Qur'an and etc, but I never took it very seriously and always wanted to get the views directly from Shia people. So I want to know about your beliefs about Islam.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

I am a Muslim (not Shia Muslim). I want to know what are the beliefs of Shia Muslims. I have heard from lot of people and books that Shia Muslims do not believe in Qur'an and etc, but I never took it very seriously and always wanted to get the views directly from Shia people. So I want to know about your beliefs about Islam.

You might want to Google Shiite Creed, by Shaykh Saduq. Very early text, from 4th century AH, giving a statement of core orthodox beliefs.

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O YOU WHO BELIEVE! IF AN EVIL DOER COMES TO YOU WITH A REPORT, LOOK CAREFULLY INTO IT, LEST YOU HARM A PEOPLE IN IGNORANCE,THEN BE SORRY FOR WHAT YOU HAVE DONE.(surah hujarat ,Al-Quran)

I would urge you to ponder over the above verses of the glorious quran , and then read, think and reflect.

Regarding various false allegations regarding the Shia of Ahlul Bayt(AS) kindly read this link:

http://www.al-islam.org/underattack/

Then regarding what we believe in, read this http://home.swipnet.se/islam/shia-faith.htm

Most of the misconceptions are dealt in this book: http://www.maaref-foundation.com/english/l...etics/index.htm

Kindly note the above are only very short descriptions, but for sake of brevity , i provided these two links only, for starters they will do.........AND WHEN I SAY SHIA,IT STRICTLY MEANS ITNA ASHARIA(TWELVER) SHIAS ONLY......

[7:89 Al-Quran] Our Lord! decide between us and our people with truth; and Thou art the best of deciders.

Wasallam

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ummm bro MDM. Is that a good point to start from? :unsure:

Hey remember I'm one of the original contributors to AA. But that's for 'proper' Sunnis/Wahhabis to learn about 'proper' Shi'ism, no?

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Thanks for replies, I found that people have given lots of third party links but I want a discussion here in the forum. So let me ask:

Do Shia people believe that the current Qur'an is the word of Allah sent through Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to humankind?

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Do Shia people believe that Qur'an is the word of Allah sent through Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to humankind?

Yes.

If you're really interested in Shi'ism, I'd suggest you go through those links which consists of books authored by learned scholars rather than basing your opinion of Shi'ism on what people believe on this forum.

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Thanks for replies, I found that people have given lots of third party links but I want a discussion here in the forum. So let me ask:

Do Shia people believe that the current Qur'an is the word of Allah sent through Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) to humankind?

If you wanted a specific discussion, maybe you should have asked for one rather than opening with a general question: "What do you believe?" In addition, the sorts of links provided give authoritative answers to a wide range of common misconceptions. That way, a person sincere in the intentiont to find answers to questions can get answers without people here having to go over well-trod ground.

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Hey thanks for the links, im sure to look into it!!! why is everyone so volatile?!! :) :angel:

Peace!!

God Bless

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Yes.

So every Shia believes in current Qur'an that consists of 114 Surahs and over 6000 verses? And do Shias have any conflict regarding Qur'an being the divine book with other muslims sects?

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mazhar we believe in the same quran you do, and we believe in the same prophet you do, and we believe in the same god you do.

stop listening to chinese whispers. all your questions have been answered in the last few posts.

jibby: i get the feeling he isnt as innocent as he is making out. we might as well be frank about it since he obviously has been indoctrinated against us already

do we believe in the same quran? *shakes head*

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^Because the links answer your questions.

Along with most/all of the other trademark slanders usually propagated about Shias.

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Quick question: Is it not possible for there to be just Muslim, no division between the Sunni and Shi'a? If he is here to cause controversy or slander, is it not better to kill it with Love & Respect? what is he going to say? Oh those Shi'a all they did was respect and instruct me?!!

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Are people here have doubt on me of some kind? I am here to know the Shia people.

As I said that I have heard people say and in the books that Shia people do not believe in current Qur'an, but I did not believe them and decided that I would ask my questions directly to Shia brothers of what they believe and what they do not believe, if I wanted to read from third parties, I would not come here, rather I would Google it and read it.

I have read a book which says that Shias believe that the real Qur'an is with the 12th Imaam, and Qur'an we have in not the real one, it is correct?

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Are people here have doubt on me of some kind? I am here to know the Shia people.

As I said that I have heard people say and in the books that Shia people do not believe in current Qur'an, but I did not believe them and decided that I would ask my questions directly to Shia brothers of what they believe and what they do not believe, if I wanted to read from third parties, I would not come here, rather I would Google it and read it.

If you're sincere, it's hard to see what it is you're trying to gain.

You've been referred to authoritative works that give the orthodox perspective on such issues. If you really don't want "3rd party" views, then that's where you want to go for information.

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The Quran that we have is the complete and only Quran.

Can you tell me what book that was, and who it was written by?

The book is "Ikhtilaaf-e-Ummat aur Siraat-e-Mustaqim" by Maulana Muhammad Yousuf Ludhianwi. It is in Urdu.

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The writer is a charlatan, a Sunni hate monger.

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OK, so it means that writer is wrong and Shia do believe in Qur'an being the exact word of God.

Now, do shias believe in Companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Sahabah (ra)

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We believe they exist, yes. Historical evidence indicates that some were not steady in their obedience to the Prophet after his death.

Who were those companions (according to you) who were not obedient to Prophet (S) after his death? And what is the evidence?

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Who were those companions (according to you) who were not obedient to Prophet (S) after his death? And what is the evidence?

i can think of three straight off the top of my head.

abu bakr

umar

usman

take a look at the event of ghadir, the tragedy of thursday, the burial of the prophet and saqifa for how "obedient" these "ashaabi e karam" really were.

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i can think of three straight off the top of my head.

abu bakr

umar

usman

take a look at the event of ghadir, the tragedy of thursday, the burial of the prophet and saqifa for how "obedient" these "ashaabi e karam" really were.

Then what? did they become disobedient? How?

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Quick question: Is it not possible for there to be just Muslim, no division between the Sunni and Shi'a? If he is here to cause controversy or slander, is it not better to kill it with Love & Respect? what is he going to say? Oh those Shi'a all they did was respect and instruct me?!!

(bismillah)

if one comes here to create controversy or to slander, we have the right to enjoin good and forbid evil. there are ways to do this and then there are better ways to do this. i think i understand your implications and i think today's christians are better mannered than majority of muslims. personally, i think it's shaytan at his best. it's said that shaytan tries to distort every truthful religion starting from Prophet Adam to Muhammad. so, if these muslims come off as animals in manners, then majority may try to avoid this religion altogether. i like the verse from Quran 16:125 on how to teach. the thing is many don't want to learn to control their anger. i think anger is a normal emotion that we feel just as if one says a bad word against our God, i think it will bother us but we have to keep control of ourselves and teach them the right way and if they reject and want to follow in the footsteps of satan then we have to understand the less intelligent will cling to satan unless they open up their biased mindset and we must realize satanic influence will dominate their soul by each and every sin they bring on themselves. we must keep this in mind and remain patient while teaching them iA.

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if we teach for our own personal desire, i think it'll lead to bad decision making. if we do only for Allah, then i think we shall be successful, but for this, one must have sufficient knowledge or access to knowledge or it can backfire as in the case with majority of muslims these days. so, here sect names may help the non muslims in distinguishing the differences between those who call themselves muslims and those who try a little harder in being muslims. for example, we believe islam is one but if we have a group of people who are trustworthy and others who are liars, we don't want to be misconstrued as a liar to non muslims, so, ya i think these sect names can be of benefit to non muslims researching into islam, yet at the same time doesn't necessarily mean we are dividing into sects if we dont want to be mixed in with liars. by this i'm not calling any specific sunni or shias liars but leave it to your honest research.

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(bismillah)

if one comes here to create controversy or to slander, we have the right to enjoin good and forbid evil. there are ways to do this and then there are better ways to do this. i think i understand your implications and i think today's christians are better mannered than majority of muslims. personally, i think it's shaytan at his best. it's said that shaytan tries to distort every truthful religion starting from Prophet Adam to Muhammad. so, if these muslims come off as animals in manners, then majority may try to avoid this religion altogether. i like the verse from Quran 16:125 on how to teach. the thing is many don't want to learn to control their anger. i think anger is a normal emotion that we feel just as if one says a bad word against our God, i think it will bother us but we have to keep control of ourselves and teach them the right way and if they reject and want to follow in the footsteps of satan then we have to understand the less intelligent will cling to satan unless they open up their biased mindset and we must realize satanic influence will dominate their soul by each and every sin they bring on themselves. we must keep this in mind and remain patient while teaching them iA.

I find it better to teach by example and not only with words, i've had many people try to test my "Christianity" and see if i would fall, trust me many a time i've had to bite my tongue and ask God for patience before i answer. I will read the verse from the Quran that you quoted. When i feel about to explode~~i remember all the Jesus went through, the insults, the persecution etc and he never lifted a hand or said a bad word, this is what pulls me through.

I don't think that people are less intelligent i just think that they are still blind and do no see the mercy, compassion, and infinite Love that God has for all his children.

God Bless

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I find it better to teach by example and not only with words, i've had many people try to test my "Christianity" and see if i would fall, trust me many a time i've had to bite my tongue and ask God for patience before i answer. I will read the verse from the Quran that you quoted. When i feel about to explode~~i remember all the Jesus went through, the insults, the persecution etc and he never lifted a hand or said a bad word, this is what pulls me through.

I don't think that people are less intelligent i just think that they are still blind and do no see the mercy, compassion, and infinite Love that God has for all his children.

God Bless

i edited my post above to answer the rest of your question, so plz check that if you want. i agree, we must teach by example and with word. i think one will not "explode" if they understand why these things happen. Prophet Isa was a great example and we take him as an infallible as well and iA we shall try to have the patience of them. when i say less intelligent, i mean by choice. often dust in the eyes block the "vision" just as a dirty windshield of the car. there are prerequisites in life which we must fulfill.

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OK, so it means that writer is wrong and Shia do believe in Qur'an being the exact word of God.

Now, do shias believe in Companions of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), the Sahabah (ra)

Stage 1: Come in wearing a cloak of innocence, asking a small question.

Stage 2: Rely on peoples' tendency to try to give people the benefit of the doubt to get a few people to bite

Stage 3: Throw off the cloak and movequickly into full polemic and argument mode.

A patented technique. Sadly, quite overused and transparent.

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Then what? did they become disobedient? How?

did you not read what i wrote

take a look at the event of ghadir, the tragedy of thursday, the burial of the prophet and saqifa for how "obedient" these "ashaabi e karam" really were.

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