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Was Muhammad Ali Jinnah Shia?


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#1 alideman

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 01:22 AM

Was Muhammad Ali Jinnah Shia?
if yes, is this an alam at his funeral?
http://upload.wikime...ah_funeral.jpeg

#2 ALI-HAQ

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 02:22 AM

i've heard in a majalis that he is shia
just searched google and found more about it


Some historians link the name of Pakistan’s founder to Zuljanah. They say that Muhammad Ali Jinnah’s grandfather, a Parsi, did not have a son. His three sons had died in infancy. When he prayed looking at Zuljanah in a Muharram procession (a tradition called mannat) he got a son and named him Poonja Jinnah, the word Jinnah coming from Zuljanah. Historians say this inspired the Parsi family to convert to Islam and Poonja named his son Muhammad Ali Jinnah.


http://www.dailytime...9-2-2006_pg7_14



The firstborn Jinnah was soon joined by six siblings, brothers Ahmad Ali, Bunde Ali, and Rahmat Ali, and sisters Maryam, Fatima and Shireen. Jinnah's family belonged to the Ismaili Khoja branch of Shia Islam, though Jinnah later converted to Twelver Shia Islam.[6] Their mother tongue was Gujarati, however, in time they also came to speak Kutchi, Sindhi and English.


http://en.wikipedia....mmad_Ali_Jinnah

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 06:31 AM

Yeah he was B)

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 07:12 AM

His father's name was Poonjah Jinnah. His grandfather had no children and newborns would die soon. So he took a spiritual vow and when Poonjah was born he fulfilled his vow by cleaning the skin of a Zul-jinnah (the horse used as shabeeh during azadari) with the child by rubbing him against it. He named him "Poonjah Jinnah" which translated to (Wiped/cleaned by rubbing the Jinnah, or Zuljinnah). Weird, to some, I know, but this was also quite long ago.

Now, Jinnah probably wasn't an examplary, practising Shia muslim if you look at it by a religious person's view. But he surely was a Shia at heart and a descendant of a Shia. :)

Edited by Abu Dujana, 01 July 2008 - 07:13 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2008 - 07:35 AM

Was Ataturk Shia?


Was Raza Shah Pehlavi Shia?

Edited by Yiligiz, 01 July 2008 - 07:36 AM.


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Posted 01 July 2008 - 07:37 AM

He was an Ismaili Shi'i. That's what I read somewhere.

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 04:15 PM

He was a Ismaili Khoja who later converted to Twelver Shia.


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The funeral of Jinnah in 1948 Shia flag (Alem) with coffin is clearly visible


Our great Pakistani leader was a Shia himself :)

Edited by Mrs F, 01 July 2008 - 04:16 PM.


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Posted 01 July 2008 - 07:27 PM

Was Ataturk Shia?


Was Raza Shah Pehlavi Shia?

Quaide Azam can not be compared with them.

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 07:31 PM

Quaide Azam can not be compared with them.


Jinnah admired Ataturk you know.

Besides, at least Ataturk didn't sell himself out to foreign powers like Pahlavi did.

If it weren't for Ataturk, all of Anatolia would've been Greek. Ever thought about that?

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 11:33 PM

Quaide Azam can not be compared with them.



I dunno.


I just to know :D

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Posted 01 July 2008 - 11:37 PM

He was a Ismaili and then converted to Twelver.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 01:02 AM

(salam)

As per his biography Jinnah of Pakistan by Stanley Wolpert, he belonged to an Ismaili family, and converted to ithna ashari Shi'aism on his own. His nikaah was solmnised in the Shi'a way and wakeels of both the bride and the groom were Shi'a, one of them an eminent Shi'a scholar, and the other the Maharaja of Mehmoodabad.

His father Jeena Bhai Poonja was an Ismaili, and the story about the name Jinnah somehow being a reflection or abbreviation of Dhuljinah does not have any reliable narrators. The only 'source' from which I have heard it is Zameer Akhter Naqvi, who has the tendency of recounting ridiculously untrue legends related to Islam, especially Karbala.

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 09:09 PM

wow thats really amazing, thanks alot for the help guys

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Posted 02 July 2008 - 10:12 PM

Was Muhammad Ali Jinnah Shia?
if yes, is this an alam at his funeral?
http://upload.wikime...ah_funeral.jpeg


A relative of mine named Hassan Jaffer in Mombasa is soon going to publish a book on the history of the Khojas. In this he has photographic proof of the membership fees (lawaajum) that Muhammad Ali Jinnah used to pay to a Khoja Shia Ithna Ashari jamaat.

However before people start praising secularists like Jinna, Ataturk or God-forbid the Shah, I would encourage you to read the following story of the great mystic Shaykh Rajabali Khayyat (taken from The Elixir of Love - www.al-islam.org/elixiroflove/) :

Praising the Tyrannical Monarch

The reverend Shaykh would restrain his friends and disciples from collaborating with the ruling government (i.e., Pahlavi) particularly from praising and admiring them (the officials).

A disciple of the Shaykh quotes him as saying:

"I saw the soul of one of the pious people being tried in the Purgatory state, and all the indecent actions perpetrated by his contemporary despotic ruler were being ascribed to him. The man being tried protested:

'I have not done any of these crimes. He was replied: 'Did you not say in praise of him that he provided the country with such wonderful security?'

He answered: 'Yes.'

He was told then: 'You were satisfied with his actions; he made all these crimes to secure his kingdom'."

In Nahjul-Balagha, Imam Ali Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã is quoted as saying:

"Whoever is content with conducts of some other people, he is like the one who has collaborated with them in those actions; and whoever perpetrates a falsehood two sins are recorded for him: One for doing it, and the other for being content with it."




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