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#1 Jaffry

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Posted 09 April 2008 - 07:10 AM

Hum Kis Had tak Aqal aur Quran ki mantay hain apni azadari mai???

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Posted 09 April 2008 - 07:23 AM

Hum Kis Had tak Aqal aur Quran ki mantay hain apni azadari mai???



Salaam brother all your answers here

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but I will give u a verdict of Deobandi scholar that says that one should support Shias in their Muharram mourning

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Posted 09 April 2008 - 08:09 AM

jo humari (shia) sumaj mein hai wo teek hai, pur yeh be baath hai ke jub laug hum ko dekhteh hai aur hum eik horse (zuljana) ko saja kur haath lagatei hai aur roteh be hai, dusro (non-shia or non-muslim) ko batana perta hai ke hum kya kur rahe hai....is liyeh jub dusreh dekhteh hai un ko lugta hai ke hum goreh (horse) ko khuda manteh hai. Humari niyyat teek hai pur kubhi apni society mein precaution be zaroori hai.....yaha precaution yahee hai ke hum dusro ko galti se islam se duur na kere.

Vese be ye Zuljana bananah Imamo ke Sunnat mein nahee hai or zaroori be nahee hai....ziayda tur pakistani laug ye kerte hai.

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Posted 11 April 2008 - 04:48 PM

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bhai jaan aap logo k jawabat sunay... jin sahib nay mujh say kaha hai k iss amal ko deobandio k kuch ulma bhi support kartay hain... un say mera yeh kehna hai k bhai mai yahan sirf Aqal, Quran aur seerat-e-masoomeen say yeh janna chahoon ga k kya waqai iss ki ijazat hai??

>> Imam hussain (as) k horse ko unki shahadat say pehlay ya unki shahadat k baad kisi imam nay ya unkay kisi bawafa sahabi nay chooma??

>> Hazrat abbas k alam ki shabih nikali gae?? kya kisi imam k period mai aesa hua???

>> Hazrat abbas k asli alam aur imam hussain k asli horse ko na hi kisi nay chooma na hi kisi nay uski aesay tazeem ki jaisa k aaj kal horahi hai... tou jab asli alam o zuljinah ko vo ahmiat hasil nahe thi tou aaj 1400yrs k baad uski naqal ko itni ahmiat Q di jarahi hai?? kya hum had say aagay nahe barh rahay???

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Posted 12 April 2008 - 02:18 AM

Brother look Jab kisi cheez ko kisi muqaddas cheez se munasebat hojaie to wo bohot muteebaar ban jati hai

For example jab tak aik page khali hai to os ka etna ehteraam nahee aur jab es par Quran ki ayat lekh dee jaien to os ko chumna baise sawaab lehaaza es usool k tehat agar lakrio ki jama kar k ose Taboote Imam Hussain(AS) se nisbat ya koi muqaddas hasti k taboot se tashbeeh dejaie to es mai koi muaziqa nahee

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Posted 13 April 2008 - 05:12 PM

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan
>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan
>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:03 AM

^ App sahi keh rahey hai, saray ullama, mara-e-karam jo alam taaziya, zuljinah key ijazaat detay hai woh yeh sub nahi jantay unka ilm zaroor kum hoga, warna woh bhee zaroor in cheezo ko manna kartay. Lekin shukar hai app is faislay pay khod phonch gayee or jaiiz or na jaaiz amal key pehchan khod hogaye app ko.

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Posted 14 April 2008 - 08:04 AM

^ App sahi keh rahey hai, saray ullama, mara-e-karam jo alam taaziya, zuljinah key ijazaat detay hai woh yeh sub nahi jantay unka ilm zaroor kum hoga, warna woh bhee zaroor in cheezo ko manna kartay. Lekin shukar hai app is faislay pay khod phonch gayee or jaiiz or na jaaiz amal key pehchan khod hogaye app ko.

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Posted 16 April 2008 - 06:07 AM

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mai jab iss behas mai varid hua tha tou mujhe andaza tha k Ahl-e-sunnat ko hum jis aqeeday ki buniyad par ghalat aur batil par samjhtay hain aaj Vo ghalat thinking hamaray yahan bhi aa mojood hue hai.... yani ANDHI taqleed....

>> Ahle sunnat un logo ki andhia taqleed kartay hain jin ko Direct rasool nay taleem tou di Lekin kisi bhi tarah yeh sabit nahe kia jasakta k rasool ki taleem k baad unka har amal Qabil-e-qabool hai aur vo koi gunnah nahe karsaktay..... Lekin aaj aap jaisay shia hazraat un mujtahideen ki ANDHI taqleed kartay hain jin Na hi rasool nay taleem di na hi kisi imam nay phir bhi aap logo ki bato say lagta hai k aap log mujtahideen ko masoom samjhtay hain..... tou iss mamlay mai tou phir ahlesunnat ziada theek huay... Q k vo rasool k period k sahabio ki taqleed kartay hain....

MAI YAHAN HISTORY, QURAN, AQAL AUR AYEMMA KI SEERAT SAY DALAIL LA RAHA HOON AUR AAP KEHTAY HAIN K HAMARAY MUJTAHID IJAZAT DAYTAY HAIN??? KYA AAP KI AQAL GHAS CHARNAY GAE HAI YA PHIR AAP IMAMAT K PARRALLEL MUJTAHIDO KO BHI LA RAHAY HAIN??

>> KYA DUNIYA K HAR MUJTAHID NAY INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT KI IJAZAT DI HAI?? YA KISI NAY DI HAI KISI NAY NAHE DI... BATAO...

>> AGAR KISI AIK BHI MUJTAHID NAY IJAZAT NAHE DI TOU KYA TUM USKO SIRAY SAY MUJTAHID HI NAHE MANO GAY??? HOW STRANGE...

>> MUJTAHID KI TAQLEED VAHAN KI JATI HAI JAHAN QURAN, AQAL AUR SEERAT SAY VAZAY TAUR PAR KOI DALEEL NAHE MILTI.... MAI SABIT KAR CHUKA HOON K INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT SEERAT, QURAN AUR AQAL K KHILAF HAI TOU TUM LOGO NAY MUJTAHIDEEN KA NARA LAGANA START KAR DIA??

>> KYA TUMHARAY MUJTAHID MASOOM HOTAY HAIN?? KYA VO KOI GHALTI NAHE KARSAKTAY?? KYA TUM LOG UNKI KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY??? AGR KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY TOU ZARA BATAO AYATULLAH BAQAR US SADR NAY SADDAM K KHILAF JIDOJIHAD KI... MOHSINULHAKEEM NAY KI... UNKI FAMILY NAY KI.... LEKIN AYATULLAH KHOI KHAMOSH RAHAY AB ZARA BATAO TOU K TAQLEED KIS KI KARO GAY????

"" BATIL K PAS HATIYAR KHTM HOJATAY HAIN TOU VO MUQADDAS NUMA PERSONALITIES KA SAHARA LAY KAR HAQ KO DABANAY KI KOSHISH KARTA HAI""

TUM BHI YEHI KAAM KAR RAHAY HO... Allah TUMHARI AQAL K TALAY KHOLAY AUR QURAN SAMJHNAY KI TAUFEEQ ATA FARMAYE....

Edited by Jaffry, 16 April 2008 - 06:08 AM.


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Posted 16 April 2008 - 06:16 AM

salamunalaikum

mai jab iss behas mai varid hua tha tou mujhe andaza tha k Ahl-e-sunnat ko hum jis aqeeday ki buniyad par ghalat aur batil par samjhtay hain aaj Vo ghalat thinking hamaray yahan bhi aa mojood hue hai.... yani ANDHI taqleed....

>> Ahle sunnat un logo ki andhia taqleed kartay hain jin ko Direct rasool nay taleem tou di Lekin kisi bhi tarah yeh sabit nahe kia jasakta k rasool ki taleem k baad unka har amal Qabil-e-qabool hai aur vo koi gunnah nahe karsaktay..... Lekin aaj aap jaisay shia hazraat un mujtahideen ki ANDHI taqleed kartay hain jin Na hi rasool nay taleem di na hi kisi imam nay phir bhi aap logo ki bato say lagta hai k aap log mujtahideen ko masoom samjhtay hain..... tou iss mamlay mai tou phir ahlesunnat ziada theek huay... Q k vo rasool k period k sahabio ki taqleed kartay hain....

MAI YAHAN HISTORY, QURAN, AQAL AUR AYEMMA KI SEERAT SAY DALAIL LA RAHA HOON AUR AAP KEHTAY HAIN K HAMARAY MUJTAHID IJAZAT DAYTAY HAIN??? KYA AAP KI AQAL GHAS CHARNAY GAE HAI YA PHIR AAP IMAMAT K PARRALLEL MUJTAHIDO KO BHI LA RAHAY HAIN??

>> KYA DUNIYA K HAR MUJTAHID NAY INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT KI IJAZAT DI HAI?? YA KISI NAY DI HAI KISI NAY NAHE DI... BATAO...

>> AGAR KISI AIK BHI MUJTAHID NAY IJAZAT NAHE DI TOU KYA TUM USKO SIRAY SAY MUJTAHID HI NAHE MANO GAY??? HOW STRANGE...

>> MUJTAHID KI TAQLEED VAHAN KI JATI HAI JAHAN QURAN, AQAL AUR SEERAT SAY VAZAY TAUR PAR KOI DALEEL NAHE MILTI.... MAI SABIT KAR CHUKA HOON K INN CHEEZO KI ZIARAT SEERAT, QURAN AUR AQAL K KHILAF HAI TOU TUM LOGO NAY MUJTAHIDEEN KA NARA LAGANA START KAR DIA??

>> KYA TUMHARAY MUJTAHID MASOOM HOTAY HAIN?? KYA VO KOI GHALTI NAHE KARSAKTAY?? KYA TUM LOG UNKI KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY??? AGR KHAMOSHI MAI BHI UNKI TAQLEED KARO GAY TOU ZARA BATAO AYATULLAH BAQAR US SADR NAY SADDAM K KHILAF JIDOJIHAD KI... MOHSINULHAKEEM NAY KI... UNKI FAMILY NAY KI.... LEKIN AYATULLAH KHOI KHAMOSH RAHAY AB ZARA BATAO TOU K TAQLEED KIS KI KARO GAY????

"" BATIL K PAS HATIYAR KHTM HOJATAY HAIN TOU VO MUQADDAS NUMA PERSONALITIES KA SAHARA LAY KAR HAQ KO DABANAY KI KOSHISH KARTA HAI""

TUM BHI YEHI KAAM KAR RAHAY HO... Allah TUMHARI AQAL K TALAY KHOLAY AUR QURAN SAMJHNAY KI TAUFEEQ ATA FARMAYE....


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Posted 25 May 2008 - 02:51 AM

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan
>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???

salamunalaikum

nisbat daynay ka ikhtiar hum ko nahe.... Yeh ikhtiar Allah ko hai.. Rasool ko... ya Ayemma ko

maslan... aap kisi larki ko apni behan kehtay rahain.... vo aap ki behan us waqt tak nahe hosakti jab tak uska baap apka baap ya uski ma aapki maa na ho.... aap us larki say nikkah bhi kar saktay hain hala k agar vo aap ki behan hoti tou aap us say nikkah nahe kar saktay thay

2) Quran ko pages par likhnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma say mili hai... usko choomnay ki sunnat humko Ayemma aur rasool say mili hai... Kya aap bata saktay hain k Alam, Zuljinnah ya taboot (vo bhi jali) ko choomnay ki sunnat aap ko kis say mili hai??

3) Karbala mai Alam uthanay ka vohi maqsad tha jo har jung mai har Army k Flag uthanay ka hota hai yani yehi k Pori army iss Flag par jama rahay.... Lekin mujhe aap ki Army tou kaheen nazar nahe aae jo kisi dushman say lar rahi ho

4) Sawal mera yehi tou hai k jab asli alam ko kisi nay nahe chooma tou naqli ko choomnay ki kya mantiq hai????

5) Imam hussain ki shahadat k baad Vo alam kabhi utha hi nahe..... agar aap k baqool vo koi aesi cheez thi jisko choomna vajib tou chorain mustahib bhi tha tou Q imam zainul abdeen aur dosray Ayemma nay Ummat ko iss Azeem sharf say mehroom rakha???

6) aaj kal jo alam banaye jatay hain unko kaha jata hai k yeh Hazrat abbas k Alam ki shabih hai.... shabiha ka matlab hota hai Aks, Tasveer..... Ab zara kisi authentic book ko tou chorain kisi unauthentic book say hi sabit kar dain k Hazrat Abbas ka Alam 10 ft say ziada lamba tha.... agar nahe tha tou 30 ft k alam bana kar aap log usay shabih kehtay hain..... starnge...

7) Black flag kabhi bhi hamaray Ayemma nay nahe uthaya.... Black colour ka flag hamesha Ayemma k khilaf aur aesi jagaho par utha jin ko Ayemma napasand kartay thay maslan
>> Jung-e-siffeen mai mavia k flag ka colour black tha jisko daikh kar Ammar yasir nay kaha tha k " mai iss Black flag k khilaf pehlay bhi larta raha hoon aur ab bhi lar raha hoon...

>> Banu Abbas nay jab bani umayya k khilaf jung ki tou unho nay bhi Black jhanda uthaya... unho nay inteqam-e-hussain o zaid ka nara lagaya aur apna Flag black rakha... aur jab Government hasil karli tou Ayemma par bani ummay say ziada Torture kia....

Lekin pori history gawah hai k na hi ayemma nay Black flag uthaya... na hi Apnay ghar par ya ghar mai lagaya.... na Incident of karbala say pehlay na hi us k baad... aur history yeh bhi batati hai k Ayemma k dushmano nay hamesha Black Flag uthaya..... KYA YEH NAINSAFI NAHE K HUM UNKAY ALAM KI SHABIH KA NAM DAY KAR UNKAY DUSHMANO KA ALAM TAYYAR KARAIN

>> jin cheezo ki Ayemma nay ziarat nahe ki... unkay sahabio nay ziarat nahe ki jab k vo cheezain ayemma k samnay mojoof\d theen.... tou aaj 1400 yrs k baad unki naqal ko choomnay chatnay ki Logic kya hai??? Kya bata shoes store say koi chappal khareed kar aur usko Imam hussain say mansoob kar k uski ziarat ki jasakti hai?? agar nahe tou phir alam o zuljinah o taboot ko Q mansoob kar k choomna sahi hai???



(salam) to all shia members,
I m very newly join member in this forum, and I read above what jaffery has written I agreed especially about the mutahid's
but what I think also yeh propganda hai shio kai kilaf jo aaj kal wahibiun nai ura rakha hai especially in Pakistan & india
but not in Arab contries, problem kiya hai kai hum loogon buhat si cheezon ki awairness nahi hai if u live in Arab contries
especially in Saudia,Bahrain,Iran,Iraq & Syria. Syria tu aag kal buhat loog jatay rehtain hain, yeh loog tu poora usi tarhan
ka nakshah detain hain jo ashura kai din usi tarah medan mein kaimaih lagtain poora wohi concept eik ground mein generate
kartain hai kiya yeh sahi hai.....???? ap ki baton sai tu lagta hai kai na majlis ho na matam ho na zikre hussain ho na zikre
masoomeen ho bus muharram ayee or chal gayee,

what changes I have seen in Pakistan because of these type of messages from some islamic organisation
when I was on my 2nd last vacation I spend muharram there, mujhe yeh sirf or sirf eik propoganda lagta hai
shio kai kilaf, coming next years loog bolna shooron karaingain ayeema kai roozon ki or graves ki ziarat karna
bhi galat hai....... coz already kuch loog tu boolnai lagay hum shio mein sai hi kai (sura-e-fateha) eisal-e-sawab kai liyee parhna galat hai....

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:58 AM

Zuljinah Aur Alam Ki Ziarat Ki Shariat Mai Ijazat Hai Kya?


(salam)

Shariat ka usool hey k jis kaam ki mumane'at na ki gayi ho, uss ki ijazat hey. Lehaza sirf iss usool ki bunyad pey hi aap kay sawaal ka jawaab hey: 'ji haan'!

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 07:59 AM

Their are two diffrent things.
One is Shareit and other is Tareeqat.
First we have to undersatnd both of them then we could find the answer of this thread.
I am so sorry to say that word of "Biddah" has import now in shia also from wahabisim.
This termonolgy is used against Muhib Ahlebayt(A.S) openly in shiachat by people who claim themself shia.
Shia religion is based on Hube Ahlebayt(A.S).
No one has declred Majnun kafir in his act of mad love for layla.But people using abuse language when we express our love with Ahlebayt(A.S).
In Qurran Allah has clearly says that HE don't want us except Love with Ahlebayt(A.S)

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 09:10 AM

^

Irfan does not take leave of shari'at in Shi'a Islam, while Sunnis believe shari'at and tareeqat to be "different" paths, which also seems to be the opinion expressed above.

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Posted 25 May 2008 - 09:50 AM

What about Taqleed ,Faqhih and ijthad ,which are adopted from Sunni Islam.

What about Taqleed ,Faqhih and ijthad ,which are adopted from Sunni Islam.

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Posted 24 August 2008 - 12:16 AM

I didn't read the complete posts above me but its pity to read some of the posts above posted by my Shia brother.

Brother, you ask the Islamic historical proof of Shabeeh and Zuljinnah? Your question is that is this concept of Shabeeh present in Islam? Well there are many incidents which favours this concept but let me just give you two examples that will clear your doubts.

Do you celebrate Eid ul Azha? What do you do in it? Sloughter Goat? Now is that the same Goat that Hazrt Ibraheem (A.S) cut (Zibbah)? No, its just the Shabeeh of it and we do it just to recall the great sacrifise of Hazrat Ibraheem in the way of God. Now got the point of Shabeeh e Zuljinah?

Take another example, When the brother's of Hazrat Yousaf threw him in the well and told Hazrat Yaqoob (a.s) that Yousaf (a.s) has been killed and gave a shirt full of blood of Hazrat Yousaf as a proof. You know what Hazrat Yaqoob used to do with that piece of shirt as described in Quran majeed? He used to hold that piece of Shirt in hand every time, weep loudly and mourn on the chest. Although he was a prophit himself and knew that his son was alive but still he used to do that. Now got the point of Ziart e Alm, Matam e Hussain and weeping for someone who is alive (Shaheed)?

There are many many more examples to quote but I am short of time right now .... I hope it clearify Shiaism Stanse to Jaffry and others who think the same way ....

YA ALI MADAD
Allah HAFIZ


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Posted 24 August 2008 - 12:47 PM

(salam)

Shariat ka usool hey k jis kaam ki mumane'at na ki gayi ho, uss ki ijazat hey. Lehaza sirf iss usool ki bunyad pey hi aap kay sawaal ka jawaab hey: 'ji haan'!



(wasalam)

Chorrein.

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Baabaa baat seedhee hai, agar shaiat kaa tumhaara tassawar in mamelaat kee ijazat naheen daytaa tou door raho inn say

Hamm dil dukhoun kou kyoun chairrtay hou, baqaul Allameh Rasheed Turabi kay, "Agar kisee Sayyedzadee nay baal khoul kay bad d'uaa day dee . . ."

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 10:58 AM

Zuljian or Alam ka to pooch liya zanjeer, taboot, tabark yeh sub kiyo bhool gaye??

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 02:05 PM

^

Chorro Mohib, kyoun aisoun kay munh laggtay hou?

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 03:26 PM

Sahi ab aisay waisay kay moon nahi lagna chaiyay

Aisay nahi mannay ga meri baat zamana
Matam kay liyay hath uthana he parayga

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 03:30 PM

Sachch hai . . . suna hai aik zamaanay mein Shioun kay maatam kee dhamak say inn kee aurtoun kay hamal za'aya hou jaatay thay

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Posted 25 August 2008 - 03:54 PM

AWaz say hamal zaya ho jatay hai, alam dekhnay say nikkah toot jata hai... or bhee kafi kuch hota hai.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 04:51 AM

Asslam-o-Alakium:

Main new member hoon.Main nay yey topic parha aor main samjhta hoon kay main bhi iss topic say mutaliq apnay khyalat tahreer karoon.
Jafri namm kay jinn Brother nay yey topic start kiya woh yaqenan tareef kay musthaiq hain kiunkay inn brother nay woh baat start ki hay kay jiss ko hum loog khud hain.
Abb main topic ki traf aata hoon.Shia asna ashri ki asal pehchan ilm o adalat rahi hay,magar afsos iss baat ka hay kay hamari society main shiat ko azadri main shamil chand khudsakhta rasoomat say pehchana jata hay.Yey woh khudsakta rasoomat hain kay jinn ki Nass na Quran say milti hay na Aima Masoomen (as) ki seerat say milti hay aor na hi yey aqli daleel say sabit hain.Azadari, waqa karbala kay baad BiBi Zainab (S.A) say laykar Imam Sajjad (as) tak aor phir Imam Sajjad (as) say laykar Imam Zaman ÚÌøá Çááøå ÝÑÌå ÇáÔÑíÝ tak tmam Aima (as) nay ada ki hay aor Aima (as) ki azadari hi hamary liyay Hujjat hay.
Azadari drasal maqsad Hussain ibne Ali(as) ki trweej ka zarea aor zulm kay khilaf ahtejaj ka tareeqa hay.
Hum nay azadri kay maqsad hi ko bhula kar Azadari ko zati mantoon aor muradin mannay kay liyay makhsos kar diya hay.Aor dunya parsti main mubtila hum loog azadri ko bhi apni zati khwahishat ki tkameel kay liyay istemal kar rahay hain.Azadri main shamil chand rasoomat ko hi azadri samjhtay hain.
Azadari main Tashbehat bnana aor unn ka Imam (as) say muhabbat nahi balkay apni hajtoon ko pora karnay kay liyay koi sahara dhondna hay.Hamary kissi Imam (as) nay khabhi nahi kha kay hamary shia hum say koi bhi cheez mansoob kar kay unn say apni hajtain pori kara saktay hain.
Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si


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Posted 26 August 2008 - 08:09 AM

Asslam-o-Alakium:
Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si


Upnay tanqeed ka khod he jawab diya hai? Ullama-e-Haq bhee keh rehay hai or maan bhee rahey hai kay woh bhee kuch nahi kehtay? Issay zahir nahi hota kay jo ho rahah ai woh haq hai. Is liyay zaroorat is baat key hai kay sophsticated nazar annay key khoaish chor kay upnay he nazariyay ko durast kiya jaye.

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Posted 26 August 2008 - 01:02 PM

Asslam-o-Alakium:

Afsos iss baat ka huta hay kay Zakreen ko tu chorain hamary Ulma-e-Haq tak iss par baat karnay ko tayar nahi hutay hain.[si



(wasalam)

Jabb woh loug jinhein hamm 'Ulama-e-Haqq maan rahay hain is parr baat karnay kou tayyaar naheen houtay tou danishmandee kaa taqazaeh yeh hai keh hamm jou 'aalim naheen hain, chupkay baithay rahein, beech iss mas'alay kay naa bolein, aur jin kaa kaam hai unn peh chorre dain

Bilaa wajeh awl fawl bakk kay apnee tazheek karwaanay mein kahaan koyee husn hai? Hai naa?



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