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Qama Zani And Zanjeer Zani Banned In Kerbala?

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(salam)

I heard from Zaereen of Kerbala that they were not allowed to do Qama and Zanjeer Zani this Arbayeen...Did Ayatollah Sistani says it is haram ?If not why was it not allowed this time.

Any brothers or sisters who can shed some light on this matter.

(wasalam)

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(salam)

I heard from Zaereen of Kerbala that they were not allowed to do Qama and Zanjeer Zani this Arbayeen...Did Ayatollah Sistani says it is haram ?If not why was it not allowed this time.

Any brothers or sisters who can shed some light on this matter.

(wasalam)

read Ayatullah Seestani's ruling about Qama and Zanjeer with blades its an eye opener. The die hard blood letters of course claim there is room for doubt as to whether it is haram or halal. However cross examining resident Alims who are muqallids of Ayatullah Seestani reveals he is firmly against it,

as to wh Zanjeer and Qama are carried out in Iraq despite Ayatullah Seestani's ruling the reason is simple. Ayatullah Seestani does not rule Iraq therefore his rulings carry no legal force.

salaam

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I saw some videos on tv and on youtube, it seems that the organised processions are now just using blunt sticks on rope, and no blades are to be seen.

The guys doing it were in a circle with white towels on their backs, they never bled, just struck their backs like a drum, making noise.

They all did it in rhythmn, it was quite musical, nice to watch.

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I hope they will put an end to this madness soon so that people can stop ruining the name of the Shi3ah.

Never. Do you have any idea how many people have become Shia through their curiousity in zanjeer zani?

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in regards to the OP: i know many people who were in Karbala at the time and the Azadari of Imam Hussain continued with due reverence! this includes Qama and Zanjeer.

in regards to those who are trying to fuel another debate against various forms of Azadari: please save it for appropriate forums. there are enough created already. lets stick to the topic.

reps of Ayatullah Sistani that i know have not spoken out against these forms of Azadari.

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U heard wrong.

Actually, he heard perfectly right.

Qama and Zanjeer Zani was stopped in Karbala on Arbaeen.

Ayatollah Seestani requested the Iraqi's not to do Qama and Zanjeer near the Holy Shrines, but they could do it inside their own homes if they wished to.

And the reason was... Security, basically.

Edited by sk00n

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Actually, he heard perfectly right.

Qama and Zanjeer Zani was stopped in Karbala on Arbaeen.

Ayatollah Seestani requested the Iraqi's not to do Qama and Zanjeer near the Holy Shrines, but they could do it inside their own homes if they wished to.

And the reason was... Security, basically.

Thats right. I heard the same! Actually my mom heard it in Majlis, and she told us this!!

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So yep, I was actually trying to point out that he DID NOT say it was Haraam.

It was to be avoided because of security reasons...

Apparently, about 40-60 something terrorists had entered Karbala- and you never know what kind of person is on one end of the Qama sword.

there was also a mo'jiza, I heard, regarding one of the female terorists.

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Actually, he heard perfectly right.

Qama and Zanjeer Zani was stopped in Karbala on Arbaeen.

Ayatollah Seestani requested the Iraqi's not to do Qama and Zanjeer near the Holy Shrines, but they could do it inside their own homes if they wished to.

And the reason was... Security, basically.

(salam)

If this is a security issue, we can expect this ban on Ashura also?

Thanks

(wasalam)

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salaam,

why should blood letting be a security issue. Sounds like a misinformation exercise to me. Is it possible the long debated stance of Ayatullah Seestani on blood letting is becoming apparent.

Is it possible that the word has gone out 'dont do it public but I cant stop you if you choose to do it home'.

salaam

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Actually zaireen were allowed, only at specific locations in karbala. So yes he heard wrong. I personally know ppl who performed zanjeer in karbala.

Even the request by ayatollah Seestani was specifically for arbaeen day only.

Edited by MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT

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salaam,

why should blood letting be a security issue. Sounds like a misinformation exercise to me. Is it possible the long debated stance of Ayatullah Seestani on blood letting is becoming apparent.

Is it possible that the word has gone out 'dont do it public but I cant stop you if you choose to do it home'.

salaam

Is it possible that you keep arguing against zanjeer but don't even know what zanjeer is? If you knew what zanjeer is you won't be wondering what its a security issue. Sounds like you like to misinterpret everything to your liking, however you do not do a very good job of it.

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salaam,

why should blood letting be a security issue. Sounds like a misinformation exercise to me. Is it possible the long debated stance of Ayatullah Seestani on blood letting is becoming apparent.

Is it possible that the word has gone out 'dont do it public but I cant stop you if you choose to do it home'.

salaam

how could it NOT be a security issue? Read my previous posts please! =/

Even the request by ayatollah Seestani was specifically for arbaeen day only.

Yep you're right.

What I meant was.. on Arbaeen, zanjeer wasn't allowed anywhere near the Holy Shrines. But zanjeer was done farther away outside the "main" city or inside homes.

My brother and his friends (on Arbaeen) had gone up on the hotel roof to do zanjeer but even that was stopped, so they ended up doing it in their own rooms xD

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