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#1 alijan

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 03:17 AM

(bismillah)

Aslam Malkum

Mujhe ais baire may batiye ka Ali salam se madad magni chai agar ha to Hidths ma kha lekha ha.
hum ko Allah se madad magni chai ha. Ali salam kis se madad magte tha.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:08 AM

when we say ya ali in fact we say ya Allah...........

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:22 AM

(bismillah)

Aslam Malkum

Mujhe ais baire may batiye ka Ali salam se madad magni chai agar ha to Hidths ma kha lekha ha.
hum ko Allah se madad magni chai ha. Ali salam kis se madad magte tha.

Syed Ali Jan


What language is this? Aliya, please tell him we speak English here.

when we say ya ali in fact we say ya Allah...........


No, you are wrong in some way. Rather, with that statement, we do tawassul of Imam Ali (as), asking him to pray to Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì on our behalf.

Wahabis may easily manipulate your statement.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:44 AM

What language is this? Aliya, please tell him we speak English here.



No, you are wrong in some way. Rather, with that statement, we do tawassul of Imam Ali (as), asking him to pray to Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì on our behalf.

Wahabis may easily manipulate your statement.



but lot of shais people Say Ya Ali Madad (against Aslam mulkum) second people Say Ali Madad (against Walkum Salam )

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 04:48 AM

What language is this? Aliya, please tell him we speak English here.



No, you are wrong in some way. Rather, with that statement, we do tawassul of Imam Ali (as) , asking him to pray to Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì on our behalf.

Wahabis may easily manipulate your statement.


true, i agree with toyibonline..

Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì se madad maangney chahiye, is mei koi shaq valy koi baat nahin hei, LEKIN, jab hum Ahlulbayt ke zariey se madad maangtey hei, humara maksad yeh hota hei ke Ahlulbayt hamarey liye bhi dua karein, Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì se.
sivay ulti baatein bananey ka, Wahabiyon ka aur koi kaam nahin..

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 05:30 AM

true, i agree with toyibonline..

Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì se madad maangney chahiye, is mei koi shaq valy koi baat nahin hei, LEKIN, jab hum Ahlulbayt ke zariey se madad maangtey hei, humara maksad yeh hota hei ke Ahlulbayt hamarey liye bhi dua karein, Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì se.
sivay ulti baatein bananey ka, Wahabiyon ka aur koi kaam nahin..


Please post in English. I am a Nigerian. I don't speak that language. I don't even what language it is!

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 05:45 AM

Ya Ali sounds better. rolls of the tounge quite nicely i must say.


If you think it sounds better then say 'Ya Al-'Ali Madad' ;)

Al-'Ali(The Most High - ÇóáúÚóáöíøõ) is one of the name of Allah(swt).

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:01 AM

true, i agree with toyibonline..

Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì se madad maangney chahiye, is mei koi shaq valy koi baat nahin hei, LEKIN, jab hum Ahlulbayt ke zariey se madad maangtey hei, humara maksad yeh hota hei ke Ahlulbayt hamarey liye bhi dua karein, Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì se.
sivay ulti baatein bananey ka, Wahabiyon ka aur koi kaam nahin..



(These words some peoples thinking where Say Ali Salam Aslamukum against say Ya Ali Madad.)

ya kayal ap ka ha ka jo app na jawab daya ha. magar shait ka ne, jasi shait ka ste ha ka nosebullah Ali salam khuda ha as le ka Ali asim khoda ka ha wo compare karte ha khuda se.

Hazrat Ali Salam ne ka ha ka salam ke jaga Ya Ali madad kha kro. ya Ahlulbayt ma se kese ne be ka ha ha muje app bate.

phir Sharik kya ha?
Khuda se dero
na mello apni batie Ahlulbayt se.
Ahlulbayt na dars dya ha Towheed ka ore Taqwa ka, muje ap jawab do

Syed Ali Jan

Edited by alijan, 30 November 2007 - 08:11 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:13 AM

merai munh se to khud ba khud nikal jataa hai
ya ALI madad

kyounki Mola Ali (as) mushkil kushaa aur SHeyr khuda hein

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:13 AM

I think you should take this to the Urdu section - Debates/Dialogues here are in English

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:19 AM

I think you should take this to the Urdu section - Debates/Dialogues here are in English


i ask you YA Allah Madad or YA Ali Madad

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:31 AM

I think you should take this to the Urdu section - Debates/Dialogues here are in English

i agree
you should do that
or mods will do it coz peoples are getting confuse

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:31 AM

but lot of shais people Say Ya Ali Madad (against Aslam mulkum) second people Say Ali Madad (against Walkum Salam )



Salam...

I see your point brother. I myself personally interact with a few members of the Jafariyya/Ithna Ashari Muslim Center which I occasionally attend who repeadetly state "Mawla[i.e. Imam Ali] ka karam hai" ... "Mawla sub theek karay ga.." [Master Ali will fix everything] ... And "Thanks to Allah and Mawla..."

I find such statements clearly bordering on "shirk" if not outright "shirk"...

Whenever I have run into such persons I have always made it a POINT to reply them with "Al-hamdu-lillah" or "Shukr-Al-hamdu-lillah"...

You should see the look on their faces when I respond thus...!

If my fellow Muslimin REALLY don't know what Imam Ali (as) is ALL ABOUT after reading his Dua-e-Kumail every Layl ul-Khamis/Thursday night, then they truly DON'T know OUR one-and-only Amir-ul-Muminin...

Here is a link for Imam Ali's greatest known supplication Dua-e-Mashlool [Prayer Of The Paralytic] :

The NARRATOR of this hadith is NONE OTHER than Shaheed-i-Karbala himself-Abul Ahrar[Father of The Free] Imam Husayn (as) !

http://www.duas.org/mashlool.htm

If any Muslim has any doubt as to who Allah(swt) IS and who His creature IS, Imam Ali's prescribed prayer of Mashlool will clarify any misunderstanding regarding TAWHID and who and what a TRUE MUWAHID is...

The very first time I attempted to recite this supplication, I was 10 years old and got only halfway through...I was drenched in sweat.
It was my 4th try one year later, when I finally managed to recite this dua nonstop in its entirety...

It has been figuratively stated that even the Malaykah [Angels] couldn't have PRAISED almighty Allah(swt) THIS MUCH as did Imam Ali (as)...

Here is Ayat 3 from Surah Az-Zumar [The Throngs] where the ANSWER is present to this issue...

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YUSUFALI: Is it not to Allah that sincere devotion is due? But those who take for protectors other than Allah (say): "We only serve them in order that they may bring us nearer to Allah." Truly Allah will judge between them in that wherein they differ. But Allah guides not such as are false and ungrateful.
PICKTHAL: Surely pure religion is for Allah only. And those who choose protecting friends beside Him (say): We worship them only that they may bring us near unto Allah. Lo! Allah will judge between them concerning that wherein they differ. Lo! Allah guideth not him who is a liar, an ingrate.
SHAKIR: Now, surely, sincere obedience is due to Allah (alone) and (as for) those who take guardians besides Him, (saying), We do not serve them save that they may make us nearer to Allah, surely Allah will judge between them in that in which they differ; surely Allah does not guide him aright who is a liar, ungrateful.

Wa Rahmatullahe Wa Barakatuh.

Edited by Al-Afza, 30 November 2007 - 08:56 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:40 AM

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Aslam Malkum

Mujhe ais baire may batiye ka Ali salam se madad magni chai agar ha to Hidths ma kha lekha ha.
hum ko Allah se madad magni chai ha. Ali salam kis se madad magte tha.

Syed Ali Jan


hey who is this Ali salam ? r u sunni ?

anyways asking for help from Mola Ali alehsalam mean we are asking him who is the wali of Allah and can help us with his powers over universe due to his nearness to Allah and RasoolAllah

ay mola e man ya ALI MADAD

Edited by Director, 30 November 2007 - 08:58 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:28 AM

Allah is the BIGGEST JUDGE!

when Allah had allowed the shaitan which he needed(to spread evil in universe).Allah said you(shaitan) could gumrraah most of the people but not my "Muqrab" people.
Allah has create MAULA ALI (as) to counter the evilness of iblees to keep JUSTICE in Universe.

YA ALI (as) HELP! (YA ALI (as) MADAD) is shelter against evilness of iblees.

Muqarab people are ones, who get close to Allah by keep holding the ROPE OF Allah (14MASOMEEN)

Edited by seekers14, 30 November 2007 - 09:30 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:31 AM

anyways asking for help from Mola Ali alehsalam mean we are asking him who is the wali of Allah and can help us with his powers over universe due to his nearness to Allah and RasoolAllah

ay mola e man ya ALI MADAD



Salam...

Just to maybe further clarify to brother Alijan...

When we Muslimin pray to saints [awliya] or the spiritual leaders [aimma], it is for INTERCESSION or shafa'at.

I once consulted an Aalim regarding this sunnat (practice) of praying to the spiritual greats for something we want granted.

It was explained to me that Allah(swt) does openly state in the Holy Qur'an to "beseech him and only him..." and He listens to his worshippers...

However, if the beseecher has something within them that displeases Allah(swt) and most of the time are UNAWARE of this, then they ask for intercession from those who ARE PURE and who have nothing within them that would ever displease Allah(swt)...

The intercession of such Awliya[Guardian Saints] and Aimma[Spiritual Leaders] is when Allah(swt) GRANTS the beseecher's prayer.

As Allah(swt) has stated in the Holy Qur'an that those who DIED or were MARTYRED in the Way of Allah(swt), they ARE NOT DEAD but ALIVE even though we may not perceive...

The function of the Awliya and the Aimma are as wakeels (advocates) who act as go between to the Almighty Judge [i.e. Allah Malik].

An additional item that was also explained was that we human beings probably do so many wrongs on a DAILY BASIS without even being aware of it...

Things which Allah(swt) has warned against in the Holy Qur'an. Therefore, how can we be worthy of having certain prayers answered when we commit so many wrongs which displease Allah(swt)...?

Only intercession can help at that point...And that too with Allah's permission ONLY.

An even more complex issue is when the prayers of Non-Muslims are ANSWERED...People who are Christian, Jews, Zoroastrians, Buddhists, Hindus, etc...

This was explained to me by the Aalim that it is the supplicant's sincerety and desperation which Allah(swt) is ANSWERING...

Allah(swt) has clearly stated in the Holy Qur'an that He PROVIDES FOR THOSE WHO DENY HIM !

I have personally met some Non-Muslims who are believe it or not "idolaters" but have many the things we Muslims are SUPPOSED to have namely : Akhlaq; Kindness; Consideration; Compassion; Helpfulness; Selflessness, Respectfulness, etc...

I have also run into some Muslims who are devoid of the above mentioned traits associated with being a Muslim...

I can sincerely say I myself have not displayed such traits at certain times in my life...When I should have...

However, the Aalim further explained to me that when the day of Hisab (Accountability) arrives, these Non-Muslims [both Monotheists and Polytheists] will be informed by Allah(swt) as to WHO IT WAS WHO REALLY ANSWERED THEIR PRAYERS...

And they will be taken into account for praying to others than Allah(swt)...And then they will know.

Edited by Al-Afza, 30 November 2007 - 10:10 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:32 AM

who is the wali of Allah and can help us with his powers over universe due to his nearness to Allah and RasoolAllah



If you believe Imam Ali or any other Imam can HELP or protect you then it is SHIRK according to Sayed Sistani and i think there is consensus regarding this among all shi'ite scholars.

If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the right and proper thing to do. But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares with Allah the right to create, sustain and protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.


http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00322.html

(wasalam)

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 10:13 AM

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If the help of Hadhrat Ali (A.S.) or any of the other ma'sumeen is sought as an intercessor and a 'waseelah' envisaged by the Holy Qur'an in Ayah 35 of Suratul Maidah then not only there can be no objection but it would be the right and proper thing to do. But if help is sought in the belief that the person whose help sought shares with Allah the right to create, sustain and protect then the call for help might amount to 'shirk'.

http://www.al-islam.org/organizations/aalimnetwork/msg00322.html

(wasalam)



Jazakallah. Brother Jondab.

Edited by Al-Afza, 01 December 2007 - 12:42 AM.


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 02:37 PM

Waiz to upnay zehan key duniya mei kho gaya
Ankhai to jagtee hai per ehsass so gaya
Allah rasool say kahey mujhsey naseer mang
Mei Ya Ali Maddad kaho to shirk ho gaya.

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Posted 30 November 2007 - 08:58 PM

(bismillah)

Aslam Malkum

Mujhe ais baire may batiye ka Ali salam se madad magni chai agar ha to Hidths ma kha lekha ha.
hum ko Allah se madad magni chai ha. Ali salam kis se madad magte tha.

Syed Ali Jan

(wasalam)
meray bhai bayshak Allah sab say behtareen Madadgaar (Helper) hai aur Maula Ali (as) sab say behtareen Wasila hain..........Agar ham Ya Ali Madad kehtay hain to is kaa yeh matlab qataye nahi k ham naozbillah Shirk kar rhay hain balkay madad to ham Allah say hee maang rhay hain lekin Wasila Maula-e-Kainaat ko bana rhay hotay hain

ik simple example deta hoon k jab bhi aap k darr pay koi sawali aata hai to woh aap ko aap k azeez yaani Maa,baap,bachon etc kaa waasta day kar maangta hai isi tarhaan jab ham Allah say kuch maangtay hain to unhi kaa waasta dein gay jo k Allah paak k sab say zyada qareeb hain.....or mera to yaqeen hai k Panjetan paak say zyada Allah k kareeb koi bhi nahi

ab Allah paak k ilawa naa koi zindagi day sakta hai aur naa maut lekin jaisay Hazrat Eesa (as) murdon ko zinda kartay thay to it meanz k woh naozbillah khuda thay....nahi hargiz nahi......balkay yeh power bhi unhein us paak parwardigaar nay hee bakshi hai...haqeeqat mein usi k karam say murdon mein jaan aati thee lekin wasila Eesa (as) bantay thay.....isi tarhan Maula ko bhi mushkilkushai ki power Allah paak nay hee bakshi hai......haqeeqat mein madadgaar to wohi hai lekin Ali paak k wasilay say madad farmaata hai

khaibar mein hamaray Aaqa-o-Maula Khaatim ul Mursaleen Muhammad Mustafa (pbuh) nay bhi Ya Ali Madad kaha tha.....Haqeeqat to woh Allah say hee madad maang rhay thay lekin ab Allah khud to utar kar khaibar k maidaan mein madad nahi kar saktay thay naa.....is liye Allah k shair nay madad farmaaye........Yaani Madad Allah nay ki aur muslims ko fateh haasil hue......lekin wasila Maula-e-Kainaat (as) banay to is tarhaan dekha jaaye to Ya Ali Madad kehna sunnat-e-nabwi ho gye naa k shirk

Boutt shikni k liye kandhay per uthaya kyun tha
shab-e-Mairaaj bistar per sulaya kyun tha
Ya Ali kehna nahi hai jaiz agar
poocho nabi say khaibar mein bulaya kyun tha

dekho dear bro har insaan apni soch k mutabiq sochta hai maslan agar aap k haath mein ik cup hai to door say dekhnay walon mein say koi samjhay gaa aap chaaye pee rhay ho,koi coffee samjhay gaa aur koi kuch....means sab apnay mutabiq andaza lagaye gay lekin un ko haqeeqat tab hi pata chalay gee jab woh aap k qareeb aayen gay

isi liye agar ham Ya Ali Madad kehtay hain to koi is ko shirk samjhta hai aur kaye to isi liye ham per kaafir honay kaa label bhi chipka detay hain.......lekin Allah sab say behtar jaananay wala hai.....apni reply kaa ikhtitaam ik shair say karoon gaa......agr koi samjhna chahay to yeh shair hee kaafi hai i think



YEH WASILA WOH HAI JIS KO NAHI RADD KERTA HAI
YA ALI KHETAY HI Allah MADAD KERTA HAI


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Posted 30 November 2007 - 09:29 PM

I donno what it should be like, but whenever I need help I say Ya-Ali (as) madad!
Like just today, I stepped outta my house n while going down the stairs i slipped, Ya-Ali (as) came out of my mouth instantly!

Baqol Mohsin Naqvi:

*Mohsin* meri lehad mai wo manzar ajeeb tha
Jab mai nay khud Ali (as) say kaha Ya-Ali (as) madad!!--

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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:08 PM

merai munh se to khud ba khud nikal jataa hai
ya ALI madad

kyounki Mola Ali (as) mushkil kushaa aur SHeyr khuda hein



Waiz to upnay zehan key duniya mei kho gaya
Ankhai to jagtee hai per ehsass so gaya
Allah rasool say kahey mujhsey naseer mang
Mei Ya Ali Maddad kaho to shirk ho gaya.



I donno what it should be like, but whenever I need help I say Ya-Ali (as) madad!
Like just today, I stepped outta my house n while going down the stairs i slipped, Ya-Ali (as) came out of my mouth instantly!

Baqol Mohsin Naqvi:

*Mohsin* meri lehad mai wo manzar ajeeb tha
Jab mai nay khud Ali (as) say kaha Ya-Ali (as) madad!!--


(salam)

Jiyo, tumm sabb:

Kitaab mein Rasool say kahaa gyaa


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Abb iss kay bawajood loug meen maikh nikaalein aur apnee ustaadi dikhaanay kee koshishein karein, tou kartay rahein


Edited by Rawshni, 01 December 2007 - 04:10 PM.


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Posted 01 December 2007 - 04:33 PM

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Jiyo, tumm sabb:

Kitaab mein Rasool say kahaa gyaa


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Abb iss kay bawajood loug meen maikh nikaalein aur apnee ustaadi dikhaanay kee koshishein karein, tou kartay rahein


even Ahl'ul Sunnah also confirm that Prophets made tawassal by calling upon the Ahl'ul bayt (as). They confirmed this in their commentaries of this verse:

"Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration and his Lord turned toward him; for He is Oft-Returning Most Merciful (Surah Baqarah verse 37)"

In this regard we shall cite two narrations from Tafseer Durre Manthur, by Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti:

"Hadhrath 'Ali narrates that he asked Rasulullah 'Which words did Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì teach Adam. He ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì replied 'O Allah I seek repentance through Muhammad and his family".

"Ibn al Najjar narrates that Ibn Abbas asked Rasulullah (s) in connection with the above matter, and Rasul (s) stated, Adam send "Through Muhammad, 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husayn, please accept my repentance. Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì then accepted his repentance".
Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 1 pages 60-61 by Imam of Ahlul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti

Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah Mahmud Abdul Rauf also recorded this on the authority of Ibn Abbas in his book:
Sayyadtun Nisa il' Jana page 87

...and so did Ibn Maghazli in:
Manaqib Ameer'ul Momineen page 5

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Posted 02 December 2007 - 03:19 AM

even Ahl'ul Sunnah also confirm that Prophets made tawassal by calling upon the Ahl'ul bayt (as). They confirmed this in their commentaries of this verse:

"Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration and his Lord turned toward him; for He is Oft-Returning Most Merciful (Surah Baqarah verse 37)"

In this regard we shall cite two narrations from Tafseer Durre Manthur, by Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti:

"Hadhrath 'Ali narrates that he asked Rasulullah 'Which words did Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì teach Adam. He ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì replied 'O Allah I seek repentance through Muhammad and his family".

"Ibn al Najjar narrates that Ibn Abbas asked Rasulullah (s) in connection with the above matter, and Rasul (s) stated, Adam send "Through Muhammad, 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husayn, please accept my repentance. Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì then accepted his repentance".
Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 1 pages 60-61 by Imam of Ahlul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti

Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah Mahmud Abdul Rauf also recorded this on the authority of Ibn Abbas in his book:
Sayyadtun Nisa il' Jana page 87

...and so did Ibn Maghazli in:
Manaqib Ameer'ul Momineen page 5



Salam...

This is pure nonsense. Nabih Adam(as) was the first human to be created by Allah(swt).

There is nothing in Ayats 30-37 of Surah Al-Baqarah [The Heifer] that even remotely suggest that Nabih Adam(as) repented to Allah(swt) through the intercession of Rasul Muhammad(as) and his Ahlul Bayt(pbut)...

First of all, there are TWO Ahlul Bayts which Allah(swt) identifies in the Holy Qur'an !

The "BAYT" being the House Of Allah--The Kaaba; Both families of Nabih Ibrahim(as) and Nabih Muhammad(saaw) were both practical and spiritual CUSTODIANS of The Ka'batullah at Makkah. Hence, The People Of The House being the House Of Allah(swt)...

In Ayats 71-73 of Surah Hud, Allah(swt) identifies by NAME the earlier Ahlul Bayt [People Of The House] of Nabih Ibrahim(as)...

This includes Nabih Ishaq(as), his son Nabih Yaqub(as) and Hazrat Sara(sa)--Amra'ata of Nabih Ibrahim(as)...However, Hazrat Sara(sa) is referred to as "wife" and not by her actual name by Allah(swt)...

In fact, none of the Holy Ladies are mentioned by their ACTUAL names in the Holy Qur'an with the sole exception of Hazrat Maryam bint Imran(sa) !

Sayyida Fatima(sa) is mentioned by her laqab(epithet or cognomen) of "Kawthar" by Allah(swt) but not by her actual name...

But none of the others fascinatingly enough !

Here is a partial list of the Holy Ladies who are described by Allah(swt) in the Qur'an but NOT by their actual names as in the hadiths :

Hazrat Havva(sa)--Wife of Nabih Adam(as)
Hazrat Sara(sa)--1st Wife of Nabih Ibrahim(as)
Hazrat Asiya(sa)--Wife of Firaun [Pharoah]
Hazrat Safoora(sa)--Wife of Nabih Musa(as)
Hazrat Bilqees(sa)--Wife of Nabih Sulayman(as); She is called the Queen of Sabah [Sheba].

Even Hazrat Khadijat ul-Kubra(sa) is referred to by description as Nabih Muhammad's spouse but NOT by her actual name...
The same goes for the spouse of Nabih Zakariya(as) who bore him Nabih Yahya(as)...

For that matter even the evil spouses of the Anbiya (pbut) and even Non-Anbiya are NOT mentioned by their actual names by Allah(swt) in the Holy Qur'an [i.e. Nabih Nuh's Wife; Nabih Lut's Wife; Aisha b. Abu Bakr; Hafsa b. Umar; Abu Lahab's Wife]...

And as for Nabih Muhammad(saaw), HIS Ahlul Bayt are not specified by their actual names.

Nabih Ibrahim's Ahlul Bayt ends with his biological grandson Nabih Yaqub(as) as the explanation for this is contained in Ayat 124 of Surah Al-Baqarah...

When Allah(swt) informs Nabih Ibrahim(as) of his Imamat (Leadership), Khalilullah asks if his male progeny will also be so ?

Allah Malik's reply is MOST interesting when He states that His covenant does not include the UNJUST...

What this refers to are the sons of Nabih Yaqub(as) who plotted to do away with their blood brother Nabih Yusuf AS-SIDDIQ(as)...
The REAL "as-Siddiq" which Allah(swt) calls him in Ayat 46 of Surah Yusuf...

These "unjust" sons of Nabih Yaqub(as) were whom Allah(swt) was referring to...And for this possible reason even the blessed Nabih Yusuf as-Siddiq (as) was not mentioned by Allah(swt) among Nabih Ibrahim's Ahlul Bayt.

However, Nabih Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt are ALL PURIFIED as Allah(swt) declares in Ayat 33 of Surah Al-Ahzab [The Allies] AND INCLUDES the succeeding NINE IMAMS from 4th Imam Ali al-Sajjad(as) to the alive and awaited 12th Imam Muhammad al-Mahdi(as)...

Why would Rasul Muhammad(saaw) proclaim the hadith qudsiya of the TWO THAQALS...? That Nabih Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt are WITH the Holy Qur'an and vice versa and the TWO shall not be separated until their reunion with Rahmat ul-Alamin at the Fountain of Al-Kawthar...

Keep in mind that Rasul Muhammad(saaw) NEVER stated "Aal-e-Muhammad" and the Qur'an as the TWO THAQALS [i.e. 'the two weighty or precious things'] but undoubtedly the "Ahlul Bayt" and the Qur'an !

There HAS to be a member of Rasul Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt present (even if in occultation) on earth alongside the Kitab-ullah of Al-Qur'an till Qiyamah for this hadith qudsiya to come true !

If Rasul Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt ENDED with Afzal ash-Shuhada Imam Husayn(as) at Karbala, how would the TWO THAQALS continue on this earth for the GUIDANCE of the Muslim Jamaat till the promised reunion at the Fountain Al-Kawthar ??

Also, I have personally heard with my own ears some of our Shia Uleyma actually state that Rasul Muhammad(saaw); Imam Ali(as); Sayyida Fatima(sa); Imams Hasan & Husayn(pbut) were CREATED from Allah MALIK'S very own LIGHT !!

Now if that ideology is not outright [Audhubillah] SHIRK than what else could it possibly be interpreted as ??

This unabashedly VIOLATES what Allah(swt) has stated numerous times in the Holy Qur'an about His Glory being FAR ABOVE than what has been ascribed to Him by certain MISGUIDED human beings !

It also VIOLATES the very heart of the supplications of Imam Ali(as) such as Dua-e-Kumail; Dua-e-Mashlool; etc...
As well as Imam Ali al-Sajjad's psalms The Sahifah al-Kamilah...

And it doesn't matter what hadith and whosoever narrated them (Suyuti, Bukhari, Muslim, etc...) STATE...If it does not comply with the communications of Allah(swt) that IS the Holy Qur'an, then they are unacceptable for us Muslims. Also, in not complying with the Holy Qur'an, such hadith then AUTOMATICALLY do not comply with the Sunnah of Rasul Muhammad and his Ahlul Bayt !

As for the Suyutis, Bukharis, etc...They are NOT real Imams but are Uleyma...Compilers of hadiths...Virtual "librarians" !
The Ithna Ashari of Ashraf ul-Anbiya Muhammad(saaw) ARE the Aimma [Leaders] of ALL the Muslim Ummah and the dozens of "self-made" Jamaats...Whether all these "self-made" various Muslim Jamaats ACCEPT them or NOT !

When one actually READS and RECITES the authentic duas of Imam Ali(as), Imam Sajjad(as), etc., one gets a "feel" for their spirituality and when comparing it to alleged sayings attributed to Nabih Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt, there is a definite distinction between them.

Edited by Al-Afza, 03 December 2007 - 10:47 AM.


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Posted 02 December 2007 - 09:55 AM

even Ahl'ul Sunnah also confirm that Prophets made tawassal by calling upon the Ahl'ul bayt (as). They confirmed this in their commentaries of this verse:

"Then learnt Adam from his Lord words of inspiration and his Lord turned toward him; for He is Oft-Returning Most Merciful (Surah Baqarah verse 37)"

In this regard we shall cite two narrations from Tafseer Durre Manthur, by Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti:

"Hadhrath 'Ali narrates that he asked Rasulullah 'Which words did Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì teach Adam. He ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì replied 'O Allah I seek repentance through Muhammad and his family".

"Ibn al Najjar narrates that Ibn Abbas asked Rasulullah (s) in connection with the above matter, and Rasul (s) stated, Adam send "Through Muhammad, 'Ali, Fatima, Hasan and Husayn, please accept my repentance. Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì then accepted his repentance".
Tafseer Durre Manthur Volume 1 pages 60-61 by Imam of Ahlul Sunnah al Hafidh Jaladeen Suyuti

Imam of Ahl'ul Sunnah Mahmud Abdul Rauf also recorded this on the authority of Ibn Abbas in his book:
Sayyadtun Nisa il' Jana page 87

...and so did Ibn Maghazli in:
Manaqib Ameer'ul Momineen page 5


Salam...

This is taken from Imam Sajjad's psalms The Sahifah...Duas 2 & 4 :

"He sealed through us all He created,
appointed us witnesses over those who deny.."

In this, Imam Sajjad refers to Nabih Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt as the SEALS of ALL Allah(swt) created. A seal is symbolically the final stage of a process...Not the beginning. And Imam Sajjad includes himself as one of the Ahlul Bayt as well as the future generations of the Ithna Ashari Aimma [Imams Baqir; Sadiq; Kazim; etc...].

"O God,
as for the followers of the messengers
and those of the people of the earth
who attested to them unseen
(while the obstinate resisted them through crying lies) -
they yearned for the emissaries through the realities of faith,

in every era and time in which Thou didst send a messenger
and set up for the people a director
from the period of Adam down to Muhammad
(God bless him and his Household).."

Here, Imam Sajjad CLEARLY identifies the chronological ages from Nabih Adam(as) to Ashraf ul-Anbiya Muhammad(saaw)...

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Here is a verse from the one-and-only Amir-ul-Muminin's Dua-e-Mashlool :

"O Thou that didst forgive the omission of Adam and lifted up Idris to an exalted station by Thy mercy.."

Nowhere in the invaluable and lengthy supplication of Mashlool, does Imam Ali mention the shafa'at or intercession of Rasul Muhammad's Ahlul Bayt to Allah(swt) for Nabih Adam(as)...

Again, the very own AUTHENTICATED words of the Aal-e-Muhammad Aimma are what we Muslims should go by...Not the scores of hadith attributed to them that may or may not be FACTS.

Instead of being CRAMMED and STUFFED with mostly hadiths compiled by the Bukharis, Suyutis, Majlisis, etc...

It would be far more productive and helpful to all us Muslimin to actually read and recite more often, the AUTHENTIC duas of the Ithna Ashari Aimma to understand the REAL Islam. Not to mention the Holy Qur'an itself.

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P.S.--

In these particular verses of Dua 2 from Imam Ali al-Sajjad's Sahifah, it is to be NOTED that what Imam Zayn al-Abidin means by "Nabih's Family" are the Banu Quraysh tribe and NOT the Qurayshi clans of Bani Hashim and Bani Muttalib.

And those "brought near from afar" were the Ansar of the Banu Yathrab, Banu Aws and Banu Khazraj...While those "sent afar" were Rasulallah's native tribe the Quraysh...

And Rasul "cutting ties of the womb" is metaphoric for the city of his birth...Makkah[i.e. Makkah being Rasul's symbolic "womb'].

"..showed open enmity toward his next of kin
by summoning to Thee,
fought against his family
for Thy good pleasure,
cut the ties of the womb
in giving life to Thy religion,
sent far those close
because of their denial,
brought near those far
because of their response to Thee,
showed friendship to the most distant
for Thy sake,
displayed enmity toward the nearest
for Thy sake.."

Edited by Al-Afza, 03 December 2007 - 10:58 AM.




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