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#1 Al-Afza

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Posted 28 August 2007 - 10:32 PM

Zoidiakos(Gk)=Animal Ring Path[Zoion=Animal; Zoad=Path; Kirkos=Ring]

Sumerian-Babylonian Zodiac [c.3750-2050 B.C.]

TAURUS the Bull
PISCIS the Fish
AQUILA the Eagle
LEO the Lion
EQUUS the Horse
CERVIUS the Deer
ARIES the Ram
LUPUS the Wolf
CAPRICORN the Ibex
CANCER the Crab
URSUS the Bear
SCORPIO the Scorpion

Earth [Instinct]
TAURUS
EQUUS
CAPRICORN

Water [Intuition]
PISCIS
CERVIUS
CANCER

Air [Intellect]
AQUILA
ARIES
URSUS

Fire [Emotion]
LEO
LUPUS
SCORPIO

TAURUS [21 Mar-20 Apr]
PISCIS [21 Apr-20 May]
AQUILA [21 May-20 Jun]
LEO [21 Jun-20 Jul]
EQUUS [21 Jul-20 Aug]
CERVIUS [21 Aug-20 Sep]
ARIES [21 Sep-20 Oct]
LUPUS [21 Oct-20 Nov]
CAPRICORN [21 Nov-20 Dec]
CANCER [21 Dec-20 Jan]
URSUS [21 Jan-20 Feb]
SCORPIO [21 Feb-20 Mar]

TAURUS [Venus/Earth/East/Spring/6am/Tuesday/Green/Emerald/Zinc]
PISCIS [Mercury/Water/SE/Spring/8am/Friday/Gray/Diamond/Tin]
AQUILA [Luna/Air/SE/Spring/10am/Monday/White/Pearl/Silver]
LEO [Sol/Fire/South/Summer/12pm/Sunday/Yellow/Topaz/Gold]
EQUUS [Mercury/Earth/SW/Summer/2pm/Friday/Gray/Diamond/Tin]
CERVIUS [Venus/Water/SW/Summer/4pm/Tuesday/Green/Emerald/Zinc]
ARIES [Mars/Air/West/Autumn/6pm/Thursday/Red/Ruby/Copper]
LUPUS [Jupiter/Fire/NW/Autumn/8pm/Wednesday/Blue/Sapphire/Iron]
CAPRICORN [Saturn/Earth/NW/Autumn/10pm/Saturday/Black/Amethyst/Lead]
CANCER [Saturn/Water/North/Winter/12am/Saturday/Black/Amethyst/Lead]
URSUS [Jupiter/Air/NE/Winter/2am/Wednesday/Blue/Sapphire/Iron]
SCORPIO [Mars/Fire/NE/Winter/4am/Thursday/Red/Ruby/Copper]


TAURUS-Nisanu[21 Mar-20 Apr]
PISCIS-Ayaru[21 Apr-20 May]
AQUILA-Sinanu[21 May-20 Jun]
LEO-Duzu[21 Jun-20 Jul]
EQUUS-Abu[21 Jul-20 Aug]
CERVIUS-Ululu[21 Aug-20 Sep]
ARIES-Tashritu[21 Sep-20 Oct]
LUPUS-Arakhsamnu[21 Oct-20 Nov]
CAPRICORN-Kislimu[21 Nov-20 Dec]
CANCER-Tebetu[21 Dec-20 Jan]
URSUS-Shabatu[21 Jan-20 Feb]
SCORPIO-Adaru[21 Feb-20 Mar]


Shamshu/Sol-Sunday-Yellow-Topaz-Gold
Sin/Luna-Monday-White-Pearl-Silver
Ashdar/Venus-Tuesday-Green-Emerald-Zinc
Marduk/Jupiter-Wednesday-Blue-Sapphire-Iron
Nergal/Mars-Thursday-Red-Ruby-Copper
Nabu/Mercury-Friday-Gray-Diamond-Tin
Ningirshu/Saturn-Saturday-Black-Amethyst-Lead


Spring Triplicity
TAURUS[Bull]
PISCIS[Fish]
AQUILA[Eagle]

Summer Triplicity
LEO[Lion]
EQUUS[Horse]
CERVIUS[Deer]

Fall Triplicity
ARIES[Ram]
LUPUS[Wolf]
CAPRICORN[Ibex]

Winter Triplicity
CANCER[Crab]
URSUS[Bear]
SCORPIO[Scorpion]

Shamshu/Sol=House of Providence
Sin/Luna=House of Wisdom
Ashdar/Venus=House of Fertility
Marduk/Jupiter=House of Wealth
Nergal/Mars=House of Health
Nabu/Mercury=House of Revelation
Ningirshu/Saturn=House of Destiny

Sumerian Zodiac(c.3750 BC)*360 days
Bull=Guanna
Fish=Zib
Eagle=Urinnu
Lion=Urgulu
Horse=Anshekurra
Deer=Lulim
Ram=Hunga
Wolf=Urbarra
Ibex=Suhurmash
Crab=Allul
Bear=Az
Scorpion=Girtab

Babylonian Zodiac(c.2050 BC)*365 days
Bull=Alu
Fish=Zibbatu
Eagle=Eru
Lion=Neshu
Horse=Sisu
Deer=Lulimu
Ram=Agru
Wolf=Barbaru
Ibex=Suhurmashu
Crab=Alluttu
Bear=Asu
Scorpion=Zuqaqipu

Chaldean Zodiac(c.800 BC)
Bull=Suru
Fish=Zibbatu
Eagle=Eru
Lion=Labu
Horse=Sissu
Deer=Lulimu
Ram=Atudu
Wolf=Barbaru
Ibex=Suhurmashu
Crab=Alluttu
Bear=Dabu
Scorpion=Zukiqipu
Dragon=Mushrushu
King=Sharru
Flame=Sariru
Arrow=Shukudu
Bow=Qashtu
Scales=Zibanitu

Theban Zodiac(c.550 BC)
Bull
Amphion & Zethus
Crab
Monarch
Twig
Scales
Scorpion
Centaur
Ibex
Watergirl
Fishes
Ram

Athenian Zodiac(c.450 BC)
Bull
Kastor & Polydeuces=Dioskouroi
Crab
Lion
Twig
Scale Bearer
Scorpion
Archer
Ibex
Water Carrier
Fishes
Ram

Aryan Zodiac(c.300 BC)
Ox
Twins
Crab=Karkata
Lion=Simha
Wheat
Scale Bearer
Scorpion
Archer
Crocodile=Makara
Waterboy
Fishes
Ram

Roman Zodiac(c.45 BC)
Ram=Aries
Bull=Taurus
Castor & Pollux=Gemini
Crab=Cancer
Lion=Leo
Virgin=Virgo
Scales=Libra
Scorpion=Scorpius
Archer-Centaur=Sagittarius
Goat-Fish=Capricornus
Water Carrier=Aquarius
Fishes=Pisces

Babylonian Calendar[Gregorian]:
Nisanu[21 Mar-20 Apr]
Ayaru[21 Apr-20 May]
Sinanu[21 May-20 Jun]
Duzu[21 Jun-20 Jul]
Abu[21 Jul-20 Aug]
Ululu[21 Aug-20 Sep]
Tashritu[21 Sep-20 Oct]
Arakhsamnu[21 Oct-20 Nov]
Kislimu[21 Nov-20 Dec]
Tebetu[21 Dec-20 Jan]
Shabatu[21 Jan-20 Feb]
Adaru[21 Feb-20 Mar]

Theban Calendar:
Heraeus
Daedaphorius
Proetropius
Amalius
Bysius
Theuxenius
Endyspaetropius
Heraclius=Hercules
Ilaeus
Apellaeus
Bucatius
Boathous

Athenian Calendar:
Gamelion
Anthesterion
Elaphebolion
Mounychion
Thargelion
Skirophorion
Hekatombaion
Metageitinion
Boedromion
Pyanepsion
Maimakterion
Poseidion=Poseidon

Macedonian Calendar:
Peritios
Dystros
Xanthicos
Artemisios=Artemis
Daisios
Panemos
Loios
Gorpiaios
Hyperberetaios
Dios
Apellaios
Audynaios

Julio-Gregorian Calendar:
January=Janus
February=Februus
March=Mars
April=Apru
May=Maia
June=Juno
July=Julius
August=Augustus
September=Seven
October=Eight
November=Nine
December=Ten


New Year Day:

21 Mar=Sumerian; Akkadian; Hurrian; Elamite; Babylonian; Aryan; Chaldean; Persian.
01 Apr=Assyrian.
01 Oct=Theban; Macedonian; Spartan.
01 Jul=Athenian.
01 Mar=Roman.


Norse/Germanic/Roman Mutation:
Sunday=Solar Day
Monday=Lunar Day
Tuesday=Tiw's Day
Wednesday=Woden's Day
Thursday=Thor's Day
Friday=Frey's Day
Saturday=Saturn Day


Primary Deities:

Akkadian Pantheon-
Anu[Hierarch]=Lord of the Heavens
Ninhursag=Mistress of Earth & Spring
Utu=Lord of Fire & Summer
Enlil=Lord of Air & Autumn
Enki=Lord of Water & Winter

Babylonian Pantheon-
Shamshu/Sol=Lord of Providence & Day
Sin/Luna=Lord of Wisdom & Night
Ashdar/Venus=Lord of Fertility
Marduk/Jupiter=Lord of Wealth
Nergal/Mars=Lord of Health
Nabu/Mercury=Lord of Revelation & Messages
Ningirshu/Saturn=Lord of Destiny

Assyrian Pantheon-
Ashur[Hierarch]=Master of War & Empire
Shamash=Lord of Providence & Day
Sin=Lord of Wisdom & Night
Ashtar(M)=Lord of Fertility
Ishtar(F)=Mistress of Fertility
Marduk=Lord of Wealth
Nergal=Lord Health
Nabu=Lord of Revelation & Messages
Ninurash=Lord of Fate & Fortune

Chaldean Pantheon-
Shamash=Lord of Providence & Day
Sin=Lord of Wisdom & Night
Ishtar=Mistress of Fertility
Marduk=Lord of Wealth
Nergal=Lord of Health
Nabu=Lord of Revelation & Messages
Ninurta=Lord of Destiny

***An Ancient Mesopotamian illustration that depicts five of the twelve original Signs of the Zodiac in the 2nd & 3rd columns-From L to R : Barbaru/Lupus[Wolf]; Neshu/Leo[Lion]; Sisu/Equus[Horse]; Alu/Taurus[Bull]; Asu/Ursus[Bear].

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Edited by Al-Afza, 09 October 2007 - 08:03 PM.

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Posted 31 August 2007 - 05:29 PM

truly fascinating.

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Posted 01 September 2007 - 04:42 PM

Know nothing about it

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Posted 22 April 2008 - 11:44 AM

where did u get this info?

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Posted 08 February 2009 - 12:49 PM

wat the hell is this..???
LOL
and where the hell is my horoscopic sign???(gemini)lol

ok
fine
Gemini:Air sign

The Twins
May 22 to June 21

Traditional
Gemini traits

Adaptable and versatile
Communicative and witty
Intellectual and eloquent
Youthful and lively


On the dark side....

Nervous and tense
Superficial and inconsistent
Cunning and inquisitive

Gemini is the third Sign of the Zodiac, and those born under this Sign will be quick to tell you all about it. That's because they love to talk! It's not just idle chatter with these folks, either. The driving force behind a Gemini's conversation is their mind. The Gemini-born are intellectually inclined, forever probing people and places in search of information. The more information a Gemini collects, the better. Sharing that information later on with those they love is also a lot of fun, for Geminis are supremely interested in developing their relationships. Dalliances with these folks are always enjoyable, since Geminis are bright, quick-witted and the proverbial life of the party. Even though their intellectual minds can rationalize forever and a day, Geminis also have a surplus of imagination waiting to be tapped. Can a Gemini be boring? Never!

:P:P;)

wassalam..

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Posted 09 February 2009 - 10:19 AM

wat the hell is this..???
LOL
and where the hell is my horoscopic sign???(gemini)lol

ok
fine
Gemini:Air sign

The Twins
May 22 to June 21

Traditional
Gemini traits

Adaptable and versatile
Communicative and witty
Intellectual and eloquent
Youthful and lively


On the dark side....

Nervous and tense
Superficial and inconsistent
Cunning and inquisitive

Gemini is the third Sign of the Zodiac, and those born under this Sign will be quick to tell you all about it. That's because they love to talk! It's not just idle chatter with these folks, either. The driving force behind a Gemini's conversation is their mind. The Gemini-born are intellectually inclined, forever probing people and places in search of information. The more information a Gemini collects, the better. Sharing that information later on with those they love is also a lot of fun, for Geminis are supremely interested in developing their relationships. Dalliances with these folks are always enjoyable, since Geminis are bright, quick-witted and the proverbial life of the party. Even though their intellectual minds can rationalize forever and a day, Geminis also have a surplus of imagination waiting to be tapped. Can a Gemini be boring? Never!

:P :P;)

wassalam..


Salam.

Where did you lose your manners...young lady ?

You commence with "what the hell..." and end with "wassalam"...

Anyhow, if you had paid close attention to the summarized data presented, you might have understood that what has been presented is THE HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC SIGNS.

'Gemini' was not an original Sumerian astrological constellation. It is GREEK in origin. A much later addition and REPLACEMENT.

I have used LATIN nomenclature to present the ORIGINAL TWELVE ZODIAC SIGNS which came from the Ancient Middle East. Not Greece or Rome.

The Zodiac has "evolved" or "mutated", depending on how one views it, throughout the ages. Being passed on from the Middle East to Eastern Europe.

The Sumerian nomenclature (dating back to the Ubaid Period) is in the Shumeru (Sumerian) language. The Babylonian and Chaldean nomenclature of the signs were in the DERIVATIVE language Akkadu (Akkadian).

The very name 'Zodiac' which is a corruption of the Hellenic 'Zoidiakos' directly refers to the miniature carved figures or molded clay figurines of the original TWELVE SYMBOLS which were all ANIMALS. This was the most common and widespread representation of the TWELVE ORIGINAL ZODIAC SIGNS. Other forms were cylinder seals, tablet inscriptions, parchment or scroll inscriptions, etc...

Pay extra close attention to the zodiacal history presented in the summary. From the Sumerian Zodiac all the way down to the Roman Zodiac [the one still observed today].

The Chaldeans [Neo-Babylonians] were the very first to MUTATE the original zodiac signs by adding an additional SIX constellations to it. Each sign had 20 days designated to it. When the Greeks adapted the zodiac concept from the Chaldeans and Persians, they opted to return to the TWELVE symbol concept which the Persians still upheld.
Although, the zodiac signs were not that popular in Persian culture at that period...

The Greeks had several constellations that they had either reinvented, altered, or adopted which were not CODIFIED until circa 360 BC by Greek Astronomer Eudoxus of Cnidos. The Egyptian constellations were adopted and "adapted" from pure Babylonian influence.

All but ONE [i.e. Cervius the Deer] of the original SYMBOLS of the Sumerian Zodiac STILL EXIST in astronomy today. However, they have been removed from the Zodiac Circle and REASSIGNED long-since by ancient Greek, Latin and Early Medieval astrologers/astronomers.

So if you follow the Roman Zodiac, yes your constellation would be Gemini [Castor & Pollux]. But if you were to observe the ORIGINAL zodiac, the Sumerian-Babylonian Zodiac, your constellation would by Urinnu/Eru [Eagle]. The symbolism to the Ancient Iraqis [Mesopotamians] has not been covered in detail but to my research, the SYMBOLIC [not LITERAL] nature of the TWELVE ZODIAC SIGNS were represented by the 12 popular ANIMALS selected by them...

The whole purpose of the Zodiac Signs were formed by the Sumerians because their tropical-lunisolar calendar was initially comprised of FOUR MONTHS of 90-days each.
However, since their error in calculating a 360-day cycle, they subdivided their calendar into 12 divisions. This because their 4-month calendar after some period no longer coincided or were synchronized with the FOUR SEASONAL MONTHS : Spring; Summer; Fall; Winter. Note that the cycle of the seasons in present-day Iraq NO LONGER follows the tropical cycle it once did...February and March are Summer in the Iraq of today.
This due to the changing ecosystem.

Thus, a new theriomorphic philosophy sprung up among their culture and it was decided that they would select 12 ANIMALS to represent the 12 months of the lunisolar-tropical year. The Sumerians had also experimented with the lunar cycle and found that the Earth's Moon had 12 complete rotations within their 360-day calendar. However, the lunar cycle fell even shorter to 354 days, losing 10-11 days every tropical year. Just as our Hijri Lunar Calendar today. That is where they came up with the figure of TWELVE months for their reformed lunisolar-tropical calendar now represented by 12 ANIMALS.
The particular zodiac animals selected were based on their symbolic REFLECTION of the nature of the FOUR SEASONS:

Spring=reflected by the Bull, Fish and Eagle.
Summer=reflected by the Lion, Horse and Deer.
Fall=reflected by the Ram, Wolf and Ibex.
Winter=reflected by the Crab, Bear and Scorpion.


Later, when the Akkadians under Sharrukin I [Sargon I] ended the Sumerian rule, the NOMENCLATURE of the 12 lunisolar months were completely changed and disassociated with the 12 Zodiac Signs; Sharrukin I has been given two timelines for his reign : 2637-2582 BC or 2334-2278 BC. I myself go with the EARLIER of the two timelines.

The word 'horoscope' is Greek for "hour to watch" [horos=hour; skopos=to watch] ...

Hope this clarified things...There was nothing presented to Laugh Out Loud about...

All knowledge comes from As-Sami-un-Alim(swt)...

Edited by Al-Afza, 09 February 2009 - 10:35 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 08:58 AM

wat the hell is this..???
LOL
and where the hell is my horoscopic sign???(gemini)lol

:P :P;)

wassalam..



Salam.

I forgot to add in my earlier reply that of the 12 ORIGINAL ZODIAC SIGNS, 7 of them are still part of the Zodiac observed today...However, NOT ONE OF THEM IS IN THEIR ORIGINAL ASTRONOMIC POSITION. Refering to the table of ZODIACAL MUTATION which I had presented in chronological order, one can observe the gradual mutations...There seems to be no clear system or methodology in these mutations of the Zodiac.

The Sumerians had a CLEAR concept in their antediluvian THERIOMORPHOUS beliefs when they established the 12 SPECIFIC zodiac animal signs...They returned to their initial 90-day 4-Seasonal Month concept which was held SACRED to them.

The 12 zodiac animal signs REFLECTED the SYMBOLIC NATURE of the 4 sacred seasons...

The later DERIVATIVE zodiacs down the ages do not display this pattern or system of method.

The symbols are all cross-fused with theriomorphic and ANTHROPOMORPHIC symbols as well as symbols of objects and hybrids [i.e. 'scales'; 'bow'; 'arrow'; 'archer-centaur'; 'goat-fish' etc.] ...

And there seems to be no identifiable pattern or methodology to these arrangements.

When the Ubaid Period Sumerians experimented with a possible early lunar timetable, they had identified the 12 lunar rotations within the tropical-solar year by numeric order.
They were referred to as 'First Month'; 'Second Month', etc... Similar to how the Arabians and Persians identify their days of the week : Yawm al-Ahad, Yawm al-Ithnayn, Yawm al-Thalatha, etc... and Yak-shamba, Do-shamba, Se-shamba, etc...

When the Sumerians opted to return to their shaman-influenced roots in the Four Seasons as a base which established their Sexagesimal(Unit 60) Calendrical System,
they IDENTIFIED their newly established 12-month calendar with THERIOMORPHIC [Deified Wild Beasts] symbols. These were the 12 ORIGINAL ZODIAC SIGNS.

Also, the originally assigned constellations are no longer in their initially designated positions due to the MOBILITY of the stars. All the astronomical/astrological constellations are MOBILE and moving BACKWARDS or REGRESSING. The Roman Zodiacal constellation 'Gemini' is where the already misplaced 'Taurus' used to be. However, the zodiac constellations REALIGN every 24,000 solar years with their ORIGINAL placement.
But the fact that their mobility is in REGRESSION and not moving forward IS WHY THE ROMAN PLACEMENT OF THEIR MONTHLY POSITIONS ARE STILL UPHELD AND OBSERVED BY ASTROLOGERS [not astronomers].

The philosophical principle behind this seemingly illogical and impractical adherence is that the constellations are in regression not progression. As in the theoretical principle of physics, if one is on a treadmill which is going backwards and we humans are treading forward, we observably remain STATIONARY or FIXED...Immobile in the same place and position of our forward motion...The same principle is applied to the original placement of the constellations in their SYNCHRONY with the 12 solar months.


Jazakallah.

Edited by Al-Afza, 11 February 2009 - 09:51 AM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 12:32 PM

wat the hell is this..???
LOL
and where the hell is my horoscopic sign???(gemini)lol

:P :P;)

wassalam..



Salam.

Further forgot to mention in the earlier replies that 4 of the 12 ORIGINAL ZODIAC SIGNS were removed from the Zodiac Circle [kyklos(Gk)=circle] : Urinnu/Eru/Aquila [Eagle]; Ansekurra/Sisu/Equus [Horse]; Urbarra/Barbaru/Lupus [Wolf]; Az/Asu/Ursus [Bear].

They were REASSIGNED new CONSTELLATIONS by the Greeks (Thebans & Athenians) and later by the Romans.

In 360 BC, Eudoxus of Cnidos CODIFIED 48 constellations which included a cross-fusion of the Theban & Athenian Zodiacs...This included the original Sumerian Zodiac Symbols of Urinnu/Aquila the Eagle; Urbarra/Lupus the Wolf; modification of Ansekurra/Equus the Horse to Equuleus the Foal; the split of Az/Ursus the Bear to Ursa Majoris[Great Bear] and Ursa Minoris[Little Bear].

The Sumerian Zodiac constellation of Lulim/Lulimu/Cervius [Deer] was completely dropped or omitted by the Ancient Hellenic astrologers/astronomers when they adopted and adapted the Sumerian/Babylonian/Chaldean Zodiac.

The Latin PROPER NAME 'Cervius' stands for "Deer[M]" while 'Cervia' is "Deer[F]" directly derived from the generic 'Cervus' or "Deer"; CERVUS directly derived from the Gallic(Ancient French) word 'Cerf' whose etymologyical meaning is literally "Forked Branches"...This in symbolic reference to the DEER'S ANTLERS which visually resembles a pair of FORKED BRANCHES.

The original Sumerian THERIOMORPHIC concept was uncomplicated in that when the FOUR 90-day Seasonal Months were no longer synchronizing with the actual occurences of the Four Seasons, they selected 12 popular animals which SYMBOLICALLY REFLECTED THE NATURE OF THE FOUR SEASONS.

They conceptualized that the 12 selected zodiac animals existed annually, experiencing and passing through ALL FOUR SACRED SEASONS and therefore IT DID NOT MATTER THAT THEIR 360-DAY TROPICAL CALENDAR WAS NOT FIXED OR STATIONARY IN ITS SYNCHRONY WITH THE PERPETUAL CYCLE OF THE 4 SACRED SEASONS. That is how the Ubaid Period(5900-4100 BC) Sumerians RECONCILED with their initial FOUR 90-day Month [360-day TOTAL] tropical-solar Sexagesimal Calendar...So far, the world's EARLIEST known calendar system or timetable.

Later on, the Sumerians evolved into an ASTROLOGICAL culture and the 12 Zodiac Animal Signs were than transformed into CONSTELLATIONS. This represented a clear evolution of the Sumerians from an culture rooted in SHAMANISM to a mythological culture that morphed into polytheism and idolatry. This included THERIOMORPHISM that gave way to its FUSION and MERGING with ANTHROPOMORPHISM and culminating in an ASTROLOGICAL civilization and culture. The 12 Zodiac Calendar Signs also EVOLVED and MORPHED into this ASTROLOGICAL culmination.

Jazakallah.

Edited by Al-Afza, 11 February 2009 - 01:32 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 01:40 PM

Who cares about this? Signs of the Zodiac? :huh:

What's its place in Islam?

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 02:09 PM

Who cares about this? Signs of the Zodiac? :huh:

What's its place in Islam?


Salam.

Perhaps you should ponder why Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì bothered mentioning it in The Holy Qur'an ...

Surah Al-Hijr
015.016
It is We Who have set out the zodiacal signs in the heavens, and made them fair-seeming to (all) beholders;

Surah Al-Furqan
025.061
Blessed is He Who made constellations in the skies, and placed therein a Lamp and a Moon giving light;

Not to mention AN ENTIRE SURAH on the subject entitled :

The 85th Surah of AL-BUROOJ [THE CONSTELLATIONS] ...

and ...

Surah Al-Anam

Ayats 74-79, where Nabih Ibrahim argues with his sire against the WORSHIP of the CONSTELLATIONS...Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì created the constellations for a very different purpose than what they ended up being used for...

I never advocated believing in them or their ability to predict the future. Just their history and how they were observed by mankind down the ages.

Historically, Nabih Ibrahim(as) WAS A SUMERIAN from the Sumerian city-state of Ur.

All knowledge originates from As-Sami-un-Alim(swt)...

Edited by Al-Afza, 11 February 2009 - 02:10 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 02:48 PM

(salam)

Thanx fr the info... so urus is aquarius hmmm nicee... :)

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 02:52 PM

I see. But can you explain why the information you posted benefits us? You didn't post any history about them or how they're observed, just what other civilizations/cultures knew them as....

Edited by jund_el_Mahdi, 11 February 2009 - 02:53 PM.


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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:32 PM

Al-Azfa can you shed some light on the matter of 12 Imams (as) and 12 months? What is the correlation and what is the significance of this number 12?

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Posted 11 February 2009 - 03:56 PM

Al-Azfa can you shed some light on the matter of 12 Imams (as) and 12 months? What is the correlation and what is the significance of this number 12?



Salam.

Not in this thread. This a general OFF-TOPIC discussion board. The number 12 has been covered in relation to the months of both the solar and lunar year and their zodiacal correlation. The subject of the Ithna Ashari Aimma would be more metaphorically correlated---let's say---to the TWELVE APOSTLES of Jesus Christ and Nasrani[Nazarene] Theology...

Edited by Al-Afza, 11 February 2009 - 03:58 PM.


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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:01 AM

Al-Azfa can you shed some light on the matter of 12 Imams (as) and 12 months? What is the correlation and what is the significance of this number 12?


Salam.

Almighty Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì clearly states in Ayat 36 of Surah At-Tawbah (#9) that the number of the months are 12...This is in reference to the lunar cycle. Of which FOUR of them are sacred. Three of those Four months are generally identified as Muharram, Ramadhan and Zilhajj...The 4th one is up for dispute...Accordingly, the 3 main candidates being Rabi I[due to Nabih Muhammad's Hijrah]; Rajab[due to the occurence of Nabih Muhammad's Al-Asra/Nightflight and Al-Miraj/Ascension]; Shaban[due to the occurence of Lailat-ul-Bara'at/Night of Repentance]...

Allah Ta'ala also states in the Qur'an that BOTH the Sun and Moon run their courses by which mankind calculates time...So both are significant to us all.

Long after the Sumerians evolved into an ASTROLOGICAL culture, they finally calculated via astronomic observance that the solar Zodiac Calendar was comprised of 365 DAYS...This was by circa 3750 BC...So it was indeed the Sumerians who came up with the 365-day solar calendar. The Sumerians had evolved into an ASTROLOGICAL culture and society during the Classical or Late Ubaid Period [4700-4100 BC].

They clearly had knowledge of the PRECESSION OF THE EQUINOXES even though previously ACADEMIA had attributed this to the Greeks. However, many Western-Occidental scholars still stubbornly uphold that the Greeks and not the Ancient Iraqis[i.e. Mesopotamians] made this discovery. This inspite of CLEAR archaeological EVIDENCE to the contrary.

Incidentally, it has been suggested that the name 'Iraq' is an Arabic corruption of 'Erech' which itself is a Greco-Latin corruption of URUK. One of the Ancient Sumerian city-states along with Lagash, Ur, Sippar, Nippur, Kish, etc...

While the name 'Mesopotamia' is an EXONYM in Greek meaning "Land of The Waters" [Meso=Land; Potamus=Water(S); Potamia=Waters(Pl)]. This in direct reference to the rivers Tigris and Euphrates. The ORIGINAL Shumeru [Sumerian] names for the rivers were IDIGNA[Tigris] and BURANUN[Euphrates]; In the DERIVATIVE Akkadu [Akkadian] they were named IDIGLAT[Tigris] and PURATTU[Euphrates].

Edited by Al-Afza, 12 February 2009 - 09:40 AM.


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Posted 12 February 2009 - 09:41 AM

I see. But can you explain why the information you posted benefits us? You didn't post any history about them or how they're observed, just what other civilizations/cultures knew them as....

EXACTLY...!

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 10:04 AM

Salam.

Where did you lose your manners...young lady ?

You commence with "what the hell..." and end with "wassalam"...

Anyhow, if you had paid close attention to the summarized data presented, you might have understood that what has been presented is THE HISTORY OF THE ZODIAC SIGNS.

'Gemini' was not an original Sumerian astrological constellation. It is GREEK in origin. A much later addition and REPLACEMENT.

I have used LATIN nomenclature to present the ORIGINAL TWELVE ZODIAC SIGNS which came from the Ancient Middle East. Not Greece or Rome.

The Zodiac has "evolved" or "mutated", depending on how one views it, throughout the ages. Being passed on from the Middle East to Eastern Europe.

The Sumerian nomenclature (dating back to the Ubaid Period) is in the Shumeru (Sumerian) language. The Babylonian and Chaldean nomenclature of the signs were in the DERIVATIVE language Akkadu (Akkadian).

The very name 'Zodiac' which is a corruption of the Hellenic 'Zoidiakos' directly refers to the miniature carved figures or molded clay figurines of the original TWELVE SYMBOLS which were all ANIMALS. This was the most common and widespread representation of the TWELVE ORIGINAL ZODIAC SIGNS. Other forms were cylinder seals, tablet inscriptions, parchment or scroll inscriptions, etc...

Pay extra close attention to the zodiacal history presented in the summary. From the Sumerian Zodiac all the way down to the Roman Zodiac [the one still observed today].

The Chaldeans [Neo-Babylonians] were the very first to MUTATE the original zodiac signs by adding an additional SIX constellations to it. Each sign had 20 days designated to it. When the Greeks adapted the zodiac concept from the Chaldeans and Persians, they opted to return to the TWELVE symbol concept which the Persians still upheld.
Although, the zodiac signs were not that popular in Persian culture at that period...

The Greeks had several constellations that they had either reinvented, altered, or adopted which were not CODIFIED until circa 360 BC by Greek Astronomer Eudoxus of Cnidos. The Egyptian constellations were adopted and "adapted" from pure Babylonian influence.

All but ONE [i.e. Cervius the Deer] of the original SYMBOLS of the Sumerian Zodiac STILL EXIST in astronomy today. However, they have been removed from the Zodiac Circle and REASSIGNED long-since by ancient Greek, Latin and Early Medieval astrologers/astronomers.

So if you follow the Roman Zodiac, yes your constellation would be Gemini [Castor & Pollux]. But if you were to observe the ORIGINAL zodiac, the Sumerian-Babylonian Zodiac, your constellation would by Urinnu/Eru [Eagle]. The symbolism to the Ancient Iraqis [Mesopotamians] has not been covered in detail but to my research, the SYMBOLIC [not LITERAL] nature of the TWELVE ZODIAC SIGNS were represented by the 12 popular ANIMALS selected by them...

The whole purpose of the Zodiac Signs were formed by the Sumerians because their tropical-lunisolar calendar was initially comprised of FOUR MONTHS of 90-days each.
However, since their error in calculating a 360-day cycle, they subdivided their calendar into 12 divisions. This because their 4-month calendar after some period no longer coincided or were synchronized with the FOUR SEASONAL MONTHS : Spring; Summer; Fall; Winter. Note that the cycle of the seasons in present-day Iraq NO LONGER follows the tropical cycle it once did...February and March are Summer in the Iraq of today.
This due to the changing ecosystem.

Thus, a new theriomorphic philosophy sprung up among their culture and it was decided that they would select 12 ANIMALS to represent the 12 months of the lunisolar-tropical year. The Sumerians had also experimented with the lunar cycle and found that the Earth's Moon had 12 complete rotations within their 360-day calendar. However, the lunar cycle fell even shorter to 354 days, losing 10-11 days every tropical year. Just as our Hijri Lunar Calendar today. That is where they came up with the figure of TWELVE months for their reformed lunisolar-tropical calendar now represented by 12 ANIMALS.
The particular zodiac animals selected were based on their symbolic REFLECTION of the nature of the FOUR SEASONS:

Spring=reflected by the Bull, Fish and Eagle.
Summer=reflected by the Lion, Horse and Deer.
Fall=reflected by the Ram, Wolf and Ibex.
Winter=reflected by the Crab, Bear and Scorpion.


Later, when the Akkadians under Sharrukin I [Sargon I] ended the Sumerian rule, the NOMENCLATURE of the 12 lunisolar months were completely changed and disassociated with the 12 Zodiac Signs; Sharrukin I has been given two timelines for his reign : 2637-2582 BC or 2334-2278 BC. I myself go with the EARLIER of the two timelines.

The word 'horoscope' is Greek for "hour to watch" [horos=hour; skopos=to watch] ...

Hope this clarified things...There was nothing presented to Laugh Out Loud about...

All knowledge comes from As-Sami-un-Alim(swt)...


OH LOrD...!!
U neVer stOp talking..!!
oh jesus..
GOD..
LOL
besides...im happy with wat ive got of manners...ok??lol
YES...LOl..its my own business..dont tell me how shall i behave...ever..!

besides..i read nothing of wat u wrote...it makes me feel sick..really..without any offense..:)
i only saw ur insults..:)

try to talk less NEXT TIME...for ur sake..lol...we can read all that from the source... Mr...!

K..PEAcE..:)

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Posted 12 February 2009 - 03:15 PM

Salam.

O Lord? O Jesus? O God?

Who exactly is your Lord?

FYI. When I posted the original information, it was for mature people...ADULTS.
Not juveniles...

Pax.


FYI????
where did u lose ur manners mr.??lol

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 09:42 AM

OH LOrD...!!
U neVer stOp talking..!!
oh jesus..
GOD..
LOL
besides...im happy with wat ive got of manners...ok??lol
YES...LOl..its my own business..dont tell me how shall i behave...ever..!

besides..i read nothing of wat u wrote...it makes me feel sick..really..without any offense.. :)
i only saw ur insults.. :)

try to talk less NEXT TIME...for ur sake..lol...we can read all that from the source... Mr...!

K..PEAcE.. :)



No need to get HYSTERICAL...I started the topic for a mature Q/A exchange not hysterics...

Pax.

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 10:18 PM

Al-Azfa can you shed some light on the matter of 12 Imams (as) and 12 months? What is the correlation and what is the significance of this number 12?



Salam.

Just a brief follow up to my last response...CORRECTION of the definition of the Greek EXONYM 'Mesopotamia' [Meso=Land; Potamus=River(S); Potamia=Rivers(Pl)]...Hence it is "Land of the Rivers"... i.e. Tigris[Idigna(Sum.)/Idiglat(Akk.)] and Euphrates[Buranun(Sum.)/Purattu(Akk.)].

Also, the illustration of the 4 Original Zodiac Signs is part of one of the royal treasures of the Ur archaeological site. It is from Queen Pu-Abi's tomb and is called the Great Lyre of Gudanna [Celestial Bull]. It dates toward the END of the Sumerian culture circa 2650 B.C. ...

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Posted 13 February 2009 - 10:41 PM

Why is this Muslim (Islamic?) site promoting occultic garbage?

Zoidiakos(Gk)=Animal Ring Path[Zoion=Animal; Zoad=Path; Kirkos=Ring]

Sumerian-Babylonian Zodiac [c.3750-2050 B.C.]

TAURUS the Bull
PISCIS the Fish
AQUILA the Eagle
LEO the Lion
EQUUS the Horse
CERVIUS the Deer
ARIES the Ram
LUPUS the Wolf
CAPRICORN the Ibex
CANCER the Crab
URSUS the Bear
SCORPIO the Scorpion

Earth [Instinct]
TAURUS
EQUUS
CAPRICORN

Water [Intuition]
PISCIS
CERVIUS
CANCER

Air [Intellect]
AQUILA
ARIES
URSUS

Fire [Emotion]
LEO
LUPUS
SCORPIO

TAURUS [21 Mar-20 Apr]
PISCIS [21 Apr-20 May]
AQUILA [21 May-20 Jun]
LEO [21 Jun-20 Jul]
EQUUS [21 Jul-20 Aug]
CERVIUS [21 Aug-20 Sep]
ARIES [21 Sep-20 Oct]
LUPUS [21 Oct-20 Nov]
CAPRICORN [21 Nov-20 Dec]
CANCER [21 Dec-20 Jan]
URSUS [21 Jan-20 Feb]
SCORPIO [21 Feb-20 Mar]

TAURUS [Venus/Earth/East/Spring/6am/Tuesday/Green/Emerald/Zinc]
PISCIS [Mercury/Water/SE/Spring/8am/Friday/Gray/Diamond/Tin]
AQUILA [Luna/Air/SE/Spring/10am/Monday/White/Pearl/Silver]
LEO [Sol/Fire/South/Summer/12pm/Sunday/Yellow/Topaz/Gold]
EQUUS [Mercury/Earth/SW/Summer/2pm/Friday/Gray/Diamond/Tin]
CERVIUS [Venus/Water/SW/Summer/4pm/Tuesday/Green/Emerald/Zinc]
ARIES [Mars/Air/West/Autumn/6pm/Thursday/Red/Ruby/Copper]
LUPUS [Jupiter/Fire/NW/Autumn/8pm/Wednesday/Blue/Sapphire/Iron]
CAPRICORN [Saturn/Earth/NW/Autumn/10pm/Saturday/Black/Amethyst/Lead]
CANCER [Saturn/Water/North/Winter/12am/Saturday/Black/Amethyst/Lead]
URSUS [Jupiter/Air/NE/Winter/2am/Wednesday/Blue/Sapphire/Iron]
SCORPIO [Mars/Fire/NE/Winter/4am/Thursday/Red/Ruby/Copper]


TAURUS-Nisanu[21 Mar-20 Apr]
PISCIS-Ayaru[21 Apr-20 May]
AQUILA-Sinanu[21 May-20 Jun]
LEO-Duzu[21 Jun-20 Jul]
EQUUS-Abu[21 Jul-20 Aug]
CERVIUS-Ululu[21 Aug-20 Sep]
ARIES-Tashritu[21 Sep-20 Oct]
LUPUS-Arakhsamnu[21 Oct-20 Nov]
CAPRICORN-Kislimu[21 Nov-20 Dec]
CANCER-Tebetu[21 Dec-20 Jan]
URSUS-Shabatu[21 Jan-20 Feb]
SCORPIO-Adaru[21 Feb-20 Mar]


Shamshu/Sol-Sunday-Yellow-Topaz-Gold
Sin/Luna-Monday-White-Pearl-Silver
Ashdar/Venus-Tuesday-Green-Emerald-Zinc
Marduk/Jupiter-Wednesday-Blue-Sapphire-Iron
Nergal/Mars-Thursday-Red-Ruby-Copper
Nabu/Mercury-Friday-Gray-Diamond-Tin
Ningirshu/Saturn-Saturday-Black-Amethyst-Lead


Spring Triplicity
TAURUS[Bull]
PISCIS[Fish]
AQUILA[Eagle]

Summer Triplicity
LEO[Lion]
EQUUS[Horse]
CERVIUS[Deer]

Fall Triplicity
ARIES[Ram]
LUPUS[Wolf]
CAPRICORN[Ibex]

Winter Triplicity
CANCER[Crab]
URSUS[Bear]
SCORPIO[Scorpion]

Shamshu/Sol=House of Providence
Sin/Luna=House of Wisdom
Ashdar/Venus=House of Fertility
Marduk/Jupiter=House of Wealth
Nergal/Mars=House of Health
Nabu/Mercury=House of Revelation
Ningirshu/Saturn=House of Destiny

Sumerian Zodiac(c.3750 BC)*360 days
Bull=Guanna
Fish=Zib
Eagle=Urinnu
Lion=Urgulu
Horse=Anshekurra
Deer=Lulim
Ram=Hunga
Wolf=Urbarra
Ibex=Suhurmash
Crab=Allul
Bear=Az
Scorpion=Girtab

Babylonian Zodiac(c.2050 BC)*365 days
Bull=Alu
Fish=Zibbatu
Eagle=Eru
Lion=Neshu
Horse=Sisu
Deer=Lulimu
Ram=Agru
Wolf=Barbaru
Ibex=Suhurmashu
Crab=Alluttu
Bear=Asu
Scorpion=Zuqaqipu

Chaldean Zodiac(c.800 BC)
Bull=Suru
Fish=Zibbatu
Eagle=Eru
Lion=Labu
Horse=Sissu
Deer=Lulimu
Ram=Atudu
Wolf=Barbaru
Ibex=Suhurmashu
Crab=Alluttu
Bear=Dabu
Scorpion=Zukiqipu
Dragon=Mushrushu
King=Sharru
Flame=Sariru
Arrow=Shukudu
Bow=Qashtu
Scales=Zibanitu

Theban Zodiac(c.550 BC)
Bull
Amphion & Zethus
Crab
Monarch
Twig
Scales
Scorpion
Centaur
Ibex
Watergirl
Fishes
Ram

Athenian Zodiac(c.450 BC)
Bull
Kastor & Polydeuces=Dioskouroi
Crab
Lion
Twig
Scale Bearer
Scorpion
Archer
Ibex
Water Carrier
Fishes
Ram

Aryan Zodiac(c.300 BC)
Ox
Twins
Crab=Karkata
Lion=Simha
Wheat
Scale Bearer
Scorpion
Archer
Crocodile=Makara
Waterboy
Fishes
Ram

Roman Zodiac(c.45 BC)
Ram=Aries
Bull=Taurus
Castor & Pollux=Gemini
Crab=Cancer
Lion=Leo
Virgin=Virgo
Scales=Libra
Scorpion=Scorpius
Archer-Centaur=Sagittarius
Goat-Fish=Capricornus
Water Carrier=Aquarius
Fishes=Pisces

Babylonian Calendar[Gregorian]:
Nisanu[21 Mar-20 Apr]
Ayaru[21 Apr-20 May]
Sinanu[21 May-20 Jun]
Duzu[21 Jun-20 Jul]
Abu[21 Jul-20 Aug]
Ululu[21 Aug-20 Sep]
Tashritu[21 Sep-20 Oct]
Arakhsamnu[21 Oct-20 Nov]
Kislimu[21 Nov-20 Dec]
Tebetu[21 Dec-20 Jan]
Shabatu[21 Jan-20 Feb]
Adaru[21 Feb-20 Mar]

Theban Calendar:
Heraeus
Daedaphorius
Proetropius
Amalius
Bysius
Theuxenius
Endyspaetropius
Heraclius=Hercules
Ilaeus
Apellaeus
Bucatius
Boathous

Athenian Calendar:
Gamelion
Anthesterion
Elaphebolion
Mounychion
Thargelion
Skirophorion
Hekatombaion
Metageitinion
Boedromion
Pyanepsion
Maimakterion
Poseidion=Poseidon

Macedonian Calendar:
Peritios
Dystros
Xanthicos
Artemisios=Artemis
Daisios
Panemos
Loios
Gorpiaios
Hyperberetaios
Dios
Apellaios
Audynaios

Julio-Gregorian Calendar:
January=Janus
February=Februus
March=Mars
April=Apru
May=Maia
June=Juno
July=Julius
August=Augustus
September=Seven
October=Eight
November=Nine
December=Ten


New Year Day:

21 Mar=Sumerian; Akkadian; Hurrian; Elamite; Babylonian; Aryan; Chaldean; Persian.
01 Apr=Assyrian.
01 Oct=Theban; Macedonian; Spartan.
01 Jul=Athenian.
01 Mar=Roman.


Norse/Germanic/Roman Mutation:
Sunday=Solar Day
Monday=Lunar Day
Tuesday=Tiw's Day
Wednesday=Woden's Day
Thursday=Thor's Day
Friday=Frey's Day
Saturday=Saturn Day


Primary Deities:

Akkadian Pantheon-
Anu[Hierarch]=Lord of the Heavens
Ninhursag=Mistress of Earth & Spring
Utu=Lord of Fire & Summer
Enlil=Lord of Air & Autumn
Enki=Lord of Water & Winter

Babylonian Pantheon-
Shamshu/Sol=Lord of Providence & Day
Sin/Luna=Lord of Wisdom & Night
Ashdar/Venus=Lord of Fertility
Marduk/Jupiter=Lord of Wealth
Nergal/Mars=Lord of Health
Nabu/Mercury=Lord of Revelation & Messages
Ningirshu/Saturn=Lord of Destiny

Assyrian Pantheon-
Ashur[Hierarch]=Master of War & Empire
Shamash=Lord of Providence & Day
Sin=Lord of Wisdom & Night
Ashtar(M)=Lord of Fertility
Ishtar(F)=Mistress of Fertility
Marduk=Lord of Wealth
Nergal=Lord Health
Nabu=Lord of Revelation & Messages
Ninurash=Lord of Fate & Fortune

Chaldean Pantheon-
Shamash=Lord of Providence & Day
Sin=Lord of Wisdom & Night
Ishtar=Mistress of Fertility
Marduk=Lord of Wealth
Nergal=Lord of Health
Nabu=Lord of Revelation & Messages
Ninurta=Lord of Destiny

***An Ancient Mesopotamian illustration that depicts five of the twelve original Signs of the Zodiac in the 2nd & 3rd columns-From L to R : Barbaru/Lupus[Wolf]; Neshu/Leo[Lion]; Sisu/Equus[Horse]; Alu/Taurus[Bull]; Asu/Ursus[Bear].



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Posted 31 March 2009 - 11:11 AM

where did u get this info?


Salam.

Some final info...

The Akkadu[Akkadians] were the ones who gave their southern brethren the name Shumer[Sumeria] and Shumeru[Sumerian]. The Sumerians called themselves the SAGGIGA[Black-Headed Ones] because of the jetblack wigs that both Sumerian men and women wore as fashion. They called their land KENGIR[Civilized Land].

As for the Shumeru and derivative Akkadu nomenclature of the 12 Original Zodiac Signs, they were depictions of the following species :

Sumerian-Babylonian Zodiac

Gudanna/Alu/Taurus=Mesopotamian auroch

Zibba/Zibbatu/Piscis=Tigris-Euphrates freshwater carp

Urinnu/Eru/Aquila=Imperial eagle and/or white-tailed eagle

Urgulu/Nesu/Leo=Asiatic lion

Ansekurra/Sisu/Equus=Syrian-Northern Mesopotamian tarpan

Lulim/Lulimu/Cervius=Mesopotamian red deer

Hunga/Agru/Aries=Mesopotamian mouflon

Urbarra/Barbaru/Lupus=Mesopotamian gray wolf

Suhurmas/Suhurmasu/Capricorn=Mesopotamian-Nubian ibex

Allul/Alluttu/Cancer=Tigris-Euphrates freshwater crab

Az/Asu/Ursus=Mesopotamian brown bear

Girtab/Zuqaqipu/Scorpio=Mesopotamian desert scorpion


Note :

In some of the catalogs of The Great Lyre of Gudanna[Celestial Bull], regarding the FOUR registers depicted in the front plaque, Urbarra[Wolf] has been listed as either a hyena or jackal. Both are wrong as the Sumerians almost never depicted hyenas as they were considered evil spirits. The very few hyena images from Ancient Mesopotamian Iraq are from later periods of the Akkadians, Babylonians and Chaldeans.

Also, another error in some of the catalogs of the 3rd register have Ansekurra[Horse] listed as an Onager or Anshe. The facts were that the Sumerians called the notoriously UNTAMEABLE onager(wild ass) 'Anshe'. While the Syrian-Northern Mesopotamian TARPAN was called ANSHE-KURRA[Mountain Ass]; Kurra=Mountain+Anshe=Ass. 'Tarpan' itself is a Turkic[not Turkish] language word for "Wild Horse" derived from "tarpani". As an equid, tarpans were horses and not asses or donkeys : tarpan[equus ferus ferus]; onager[equus hemionus onagros]. Onager is Greek [agros=field+onos=ass].

Below are some Sumerian, Syrian and Babylonian horse images; The Sumerian horsehead dates to 3500 B.C. :

SumerianHorse.jpg

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Syrian_Horse.jpg

Babylonian_Horse.jpg


The 'Bull of Heaven' Gudanna's beard has 12 LOCKS symbolically representing the 12 Original Zodiac Signs (including itself)...

GreatLyre.jpg

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harp.gif

However in the 4 registers, only FOUR are actually depicted in the 2nd and 3rd registers : Urbarra[Wolf]; Urgulu[Lion]; Ansekurra[Horse]; Az[Bear].

GreatLyre_Gudanna.jpg

Edited by Al-Afza, 31 March 2009 - 11:12 AM.


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Posted 10 August 2010 - 11:17 PM

In the historicity of the so-called Chinese zodiac, it is not nearly as old as people think or what some want everyone to think, even going so far as falsifying its history...It was originally devised in 1227 A.D. by the northern Chinese of the conquered territories of the Jin dynasty, to appease their Mongol overlords, Tolui & Ogodei Khan, sons of Genghis Khan. The original 12 animals were part of Mongol shamanism and did not include the ancient Chinese symbol of the dragon. That was a slightly later addition and replacement, during Kublai Khan's reign (1260-1294 A.D.); this grandson of Genghis Khan embraced Chinese culture unlike his fellow Mongols (especially the ruling Temujin family). Kublai Khan welcomed the inclusion of the dragon symbol into the Mongol-originated animal zodiac, along with other elements from ancient Chinese folklore. The Chinese dragon symbol was introduced in the Mongol-originated animal zodiac in 1268 A.D., with the new reconfigured animal zodiac cycle that commenced from 1264 A.D. The dragon symbol in Chinese culture dates as far back as the Eastern Zhou dynasty (770-256 B.C.). The symbol of the dragon in Chinese folklore was directly derived from the sal[Edited Out]er crocodile of the South China Sea. That is why the Chinese dragon symbol is very strongly associated with water and does not breathe fire, unlike its Western counterpart. In Chinese culture, the sal[Edited Out]er crocodile had gradually morphed into the mythical dragon symbol during the Eastern Zhou dynasty (770-256 B.C.).

In Chinese folklore, the dates attributed to the origin of the misnamed Chinese zodiac ranges anywhere from the 1st Century A.D. to the year 2367 B.C. (when China was still in the stone age)...Because of the Chinese resentment of the Mongols, to whom they were subjugated, the Mongolian shaman origin of the so-called Chinese zodiac is virtually forgotten. Consequently, Chinese legends of "their" zodiac origins include the traditional folk tale of when just before Lord Buddha died, he had summoned all animals to pay him their final respects. Only 12 showed. The Chinese zodiac was based upon the order these 12 animals arrived. That is the Buddhist Chinese version. The Daoist Chinese version has it that it was the celestial Jade Emperor who had summoned all the animals to a banquet but only 12 arrived. Consequently, he named a month to honor each of them; the Chinese lunar year is in fact a month, while their 'year' is equal to 12 civil calendar years.

It was with the establishment of Kublai Khan's Yuan dynasty, that the Sino-Mongol zodiac ended up being a fusion of cultures; along with the yin & yang principles, the ancient Feng Shui philosophy of the 5 elements of ancient Chinese folklore (earth; metal; water; wood; fire) were fused with the 12 original animal guardian spirits from Mongol shamanism. The order of the elemental cycle originally began with earth, but was later transferred to wood. However, it was from the year 1228 A.D., that the original twelve animal symbols were incorporated into the Chinese lunar calendar which runs in a sexagenary cycle; the Chinese lunar calendar itself was said to have been implemented in the year 1523 B.C., by China's very first official dynasty--the Shang (1766-1122 B.C.); the Shang had previously observed a fundamental tropical calendar. The Mongols left behind two souvenirs sealed upon Chinese culture: the shaman animal zodiac & the dish, Mongolian beef. The original twelve animal guardian spirits were the yang & yin forces of the following six houses of life from Mongol shamanism:

Rat (yang) & Ox (yin) = House of Health

Cat (yang) & Hare (yin) = House of Wealth

Tiger (yang) & Snake (yin) = House of Fertility

Horse (yang) & Sheep (yin) = House of Travel

Monkey (yang) & Rooster (yin) = House of Wisdom

Dog (yang) & Boar (yin) = House of Family

What the above represented in Mongol shamanism had nothing at all to do with anyone taking on the personality or characteristics of any of the animal symbols; that was a later Chinese cultural interpretation. It had to do with what one would find success in life. For example, if born during the House of Health, then whichever animal symbol whose year it was, would consequently be the guardian spirit from which to seek success in that aspect of life (i.e. to lead a healthy life).

In Daoist Chinese folklore, how the Dragon/Crocodile symbol ended up in their zodiac and how the Cat was excluded is thus: There were originally 13 animals that answered the Jade Emperor's invitation to a banquet, but the Cat was tricked by the Rat, who took the Cat's place in the banquet. The inclusion of the Dragon/Crocodile was never explained, and the subsequent reconfiguration of the Chinese zodiac was also never explained. The Dragon/Crocodile replaced the Tiger's position, while the Tiger was moved to the Cat's position, which was consequently eliminated. In the Vietnamese adaptation of the Sino-Mongol zodiac, the Cat was moved to the Hare's position, while the Hare or Rabbit was eliminated.

Edited by Al-Afza, 10 August 2010 - 11:34 PM.





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