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I want to know the proof of Matam from the Quran and Hadith? is anyone there to help me out?

I want to give the answers to Sunni

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yes sunnis do think that Matam is haram and its very hard to make them understand!

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I want to know the proof of Matam from the Quran and Hadith? is anyone there to help me out?

I want to give the answers to Sunni

Please Describe me in Detail

I know from their own books that it was the Sunnah of Adam to "beat his knees until the bone showed". Also, Imam Ali did it after the battle against Ayesha. ALSO, the Prophet did it.

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/azadari/en/chap9.php

If you read that, it proves the halal nature of Zanjeer matam as well as normal matam. Many Sunnis won't accept your arguments though, they have a different Tafsir for the Qur'an, and different interpretations of the hadeeths :angel:

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(salam)

matam ka topic shoro hota hai muwaddat say..! jisay kisi say muwaddat hoo jaate hai tou us ki khushi may khush hoo jata hai aur us kay gum may girya karta hai apnay app ko maarta hai..!

aur muwaddat mujh say nahi Quran say pochoo..! Surah Shaura!

Kah doo hum tum say koi ajur nahi chahtay sewaii is kay kay meray ahleybait say muhabbat karo..!

Surah Younus..!

Yonus a.s ka aik bayta khoo gaya thaa itnaa girya kya kay ankhay safaid hoo gaye..! halakay ilm e nabowat say jantay thay kay bayta zinda hai..!

waha baap baytay ki muhabbat thee..! yaha ahleybait say muhabbat hai jis ka hukm Allah dey raha hai..!

Sunnis ki authentic books may mojood hai..!

Kay owais e Karnee nay apnay daat ko tour deya tha muhabbat e Rasool may..!

inhee ki books may mojood hai kay Rasool ka chacha per ronay wala koi nahi thaa tou khud rasool un ki mayat per aye thay aur girya kya matam kya..!

dosre baat Quran kisi ka act bata ta hai tou do batay hotee hai ya us act ki future may muzammat hotee hai ya baad may muzammat nahi hotee..!

agar muzammat na hoo woh nasikh hota hai aur usay biddat nahi kaha jata aur agar muzammat ho jaye tou woh mansookh hoo jata hai means islam may haram hai aur Allah nay karnay say mana kya hai..!

Now C

Surah zaryaat 28 till 30

Ibrahim a.s ki bewi (sarah) chilaate hui ayee aur sir peeta aur kahnay lage may burhiya hoo aur banjh hoo mujhay aullad ki khush khabrii kaisay ?

ab is kay baad poray Quran may Ibrahim a.s ki bewi sara kay is sir peetnay ko mansookh nahi kya gaya aur na is ki muzammat hui means yay biddat nahi ho sakta..!

Rasool jo kah dey woh sunnat jo kar dey woh sunnat jis cheez ka mana kar dey woh karna haram aur jis cheez ka mana na karay woh jaiz..! aisa hai ya nahi ? ab may saray Sunnis aur anti Shias ko challenge kar raha hoo kay

RASOOL SA.W.W NAY KAB KAHA AUR KIS KO MATAM SAY ROKAA AGAR NAHI ROOKA TOU YAY JAIZ HAI..HARAM NAHI

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continues...

request from all please donot missquote these references or use these references in favour of zanjeer zani or Qama zani

we shld have to see our mujtahdeen in these issues.

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I want to know the proof of Matam from the Quran and Hadith? is anyone there to help me out?

I want to give the answers to Sunni

Please Describe me in Detail

(salam)

There are many such topics on these boards already. Please search the site

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Quia Izam ke bhoot c video dakhi hn jis mn btya jasy k Matm krna theek h ok I admit It 

I have a question kia jazbat mn aw kr kea gya kam Thk h??

See video and reply any comIt jis mn QuRan ya Ahdees mn kha gya ho k jub b vohe moqa ho jasa K 10muharm date h shahadat ke.

K jub b same date ho to matm krna lazmi h ya asa khe b kha gya ho

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On Tuesday, July 10, 2007 at 4:39 PM, syedizhar said:

I want to know the proof of Matam from the Quran and Hadith? is anyone there to help me out?

I want to give the answers to Sunni

Please Describe me in Detail

 

On many places our Sahaba r our Prophet did matam but PBUH said don't do matam more then 3 days see link

https://youtu.be/oq0rl4EQiq8

Matam krna najiaz nhi.

Laken I have a question

Kia khe bhe ya likha h k jub bhe wafat ka waqt agly saal aya mean next time aya kisey ke death ka to matam kro??? Ak jawab da do ill wait.

I am not shie m not sunny

Mra kam to sunna (listening) dakhna (watching) or oskI tahkeek krna h

Esi lea mujy ankh or kaan dea gya hn.

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On Tuesday, July 10, 2007 at 5:42 PM, wazz said:

Brother you are asking proof from Quran as if the Lord himself had prescribed the act of Matam as Wajib.

 

On many places our Sahaba r our Prophet did matam but PBUH said don't do matam more then 3 days see link

https://youtu.be/oq0rl4EQiq8

Matam krna najiaz nhi.

Laken I have a question

Kia khe bhe ya likha h k jub bhe wafat ka waqt agly saal aya mean next time aya kisey ke death ka to matam kro??? Ak jawab da do ill wait.

I am not shie m not sunny

Mra kam to sunna (listening) dakhna (watching) or oskI tahkeek krna h

Esi lea mujy ankh or kaan dea gya hn.

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On Wednesday, July 11, 2007 at 2:28 AM, sanaz said:

yes sunnis do think that Matam is haram and its very hard to make them understand!

 

On many places our Sahaba r our Prophet did matam but PBUH said don't do matam more then 3 days see link

https://youtu.be/oq0rl4EQiq8

Matam krna najiaz nhi.

Laken I have a question

Kia khe bhe ya likha h k jub bhe wafat ka waqt agly saal aya mean next time aya kisey ke death ka to matam kro??? Ak jawab da do ill wait.

I am not shie m not sunny

Mra kam to sunna (listening) dakhna (watching) or oskI tahkeek krna h

Esi lea mujy ankh or kaan dea gya hn.

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On Thursday, July 12, 2007 at 1:01 AM, mansab.jafri said:

I know from their own books that it was the Sunnah of Adam to "beat his knees until the bone showed". Also, Imam Ali did it after the battle against Ayesha. ALSO, the Prophet did it.

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/azadari/en/chap9.php

If you read that, it proves the halal nature of Zanjeer matam as well as normal matam. Many Sunnis won't accept your arguments though, they have a different Tafsir for the Qur'an, and different interpretations of the hadeeths :angel:

 

On many places our Sahaba r our Prophet did matam but PBUH said don't do matam more then 3 days see link

https://youtu.be/oq0rl4EQiq8

Matam krna najiaz nhi.

Laken I have a question

Kia khe bhe ya likha h k jub bhe wafat ka waqt agly saal aya mean next time aya kisey ke death ka to matam kro??? Ak jawab da do ill wait.

I am not shie m not sunny

Mra kam to sunna (listening) dakhna (watching) or oskI tahkeek krna h

Esi lea mujy ankh or kaan dea gya hn.

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On Sunday, October 28, 2007 at 10:41 PM, Qamar Abbas said:

(salam)

matam ka topic shoro hota hai muwaddat say..! jisay kisi say muwaddat hoo jaate hai tou us ki khushi may khush hoo jata hai aur us kay gum may girya karta hai apnay app ko maarta hai..!

aur muwaddat mujh say nahi Quran say pochoo..! Surah Shaura!

Kah doo hum tum say koi ajur nahi chahtay sewaii is kay kay meray ahleybait say muhabbat karo..!

Surah Younus..!

Yonus a.s ka aik bayta khoo gaya thaa itnaa girya kya kay ankhay safaid hoo gaye..! halakay ilm e nabowat say jantay thay kay bayta zinda hai..!

waha baap baytay ki muhabbat thee..! yaha ahleybait say muhabbat hai jis ka hukm Allah dey raha hai..!

Sunnis ki authentic books may mojood hai..!

Kay owais e Karnee nay apnay daat ko tour deya tha muhabbat e Rasool may..!

inhee ki books may mojood hai kay Rasool ka chacha per ronay wala koi nahi thaa tou khud rasool un ki mayat per aye thay aur girya kya matam kya..!

dosre baat Quran kisi ka act bata ta hai tou do batay hotee hai ya us act ki future may muzammat hotee hai ya baad may muzammat nahi hotee..!

agar muzammat na hoo woh nasikh hota hai aur usay biddat nahi kaha jata aur agar muzammat ho jaye tou woh mansookh hoo jata hai means islam may haram hai aur Allah nay karnay say mana kya hai..!

Now C

Surah zaryaat 28 till 30

Ibrahim a.s ki bewi (sarah) chilaate hui ayee aur sir peeta aur kahnay lage may burhiya hoo aur banjh hoo mujhay aullad ki khush khabrii kaisay ?

ab is kay baad poray Quran may Ibrahim a.s ki bewi sara kay is sir peetnay ko mansookh nahi kya gaya aur na is ki muzammat hui means yay biddat nahi ho sakta..!

Rasool jo kah dey woh sunnat jo kar dey woh sunnat jis cheez ka mana kar dey woh karna haram aur jis cheez ka mana na karay woh jaiz..! aisa hai ya nahi ? ab may saray Sunnis aur anti Shias ko challenge kar raha hoo kay

RASOOL SA.W.W NAY KAB KAHA AUR KIS KO MATAM SAY ROKAA AGAR NAHI ROOKA TOU YAY JAIZ HAI..HARAM NAHI

 

On many places our Sahaba r our Prophet did matam but PBUH said don't do matam more then 3 days see link

https://youtu.be/oq0rl4EQiq8

Matam krna najiaz nhi.

Laken I have a question

Kia khe bhe ya likha h k jub bhe wafat ka waqt agly saal aya mean next time aya kisey ke death ka to matam kro??? Ak jawab da do ill wait.

I am not shie m not sunny

Mra kam to sunna (listening) dakhna (watching) or oskI tahkeek krna h

Esi lea mujy ankh or kaan dea gya hn.

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8 hours ago, ashrafiya ahle bayt said:

matam karna haram hai  zindoh ka matam nahi hota hai,  na rasoolallah kiyeh na ahle bayt kiyeh  gahm tho sab ko reheta hai but  magar   matam  karkai shedo ka tamasha nahi karte 

Very enlightening!!

Let us see a narration from Seerat Ibn Ishaq, 2/713
“I heard Ayesha saying “The Messenger of God died on my bosom during my turn, I did not wrong anyone in regard to him. It was because of my ignorance and youthfulness that the Messenger of God died while he was in my lap. Then I laid his head on a pillow and got up beating my chest and slapping my face along with the women”

Researcher of the book, Ahmad Farid, writes in the footnotes, that the Narration is having Hasan/Good Sanad/Chain. So it is Authentic. I have talked of it in more details in this post

This narration is also present in Seerat Ibn Hisham, Tareekh Tibri, Musnad Abu Ya’la;

So, by your logic, Ayesha did a haram act.

 

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Hayat-ul-quloob , jild:2 , bab:63 , pg:1008 

“Huzoor(s.a.w) ne Hazrat Fatima (r.a) se farmaya ke mere jane ke bad tum na mujh per gham kerna , na apne chehre ko zakhmi kerna , na apne balon ko pareshaan kerna , na noha kerna aur na noha kerne walon ko bulana.”

Short Translation: Prophet alehisalam said to Fatima (rd) that after my demise do not cry and do not harm your face, …. (ie do not moan neither hurt yourself nor cry).”

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When Imam Hussain (Rd) was on the battle of Karbala, before martyr he gave his will to Syada Zeenat (rd) by saying “O my beloved sister! i swear you. if i am martyred, d’nt do Matam, neither hurt your face (slapping) nor snatch your face with nails”. (i-e Dont do Matam)
Ref : Book Al-Irshad Vol 2

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18 minutes ago, ashrafiya ahle bayt said:

Hayat-ul-quloob , jild:2 , bab:63 , pg:1008 

“Huzoor(s.a.w) ne Hazrat Fatima (r.a) se farmaya ke mere jane ke bad tum na mujh per gham kerna , na apne chehre ko zakhmi kerna , na apne balon ko pareshaan kerna , na noha kerna aur na noha kerne walon ko bulana.”

Short Translation: Prophet alehisalam said to Fatima (rd) that after my demise do not cry and do not harm your face, …. (ie do not moan neither hurt yourself nor cry).”

No chain of narrators, no authenticity? 

17 minutes ago, ashrafiya ahle bayt said:

When Imam Hussain (Rd) was on the battle of Karbala, before martyr he gave his will to Syada Zeenat (rd) by saying “O my beloved sister! i swear you. if i am martyred, d’nt do Matam, neither hurt your face (slapping) nor snatch your face with nails”. (i-e Dont do Matam)
Ref : Book Al-Irshad Vol 2

Same here. 

Whereas what I provided you was a completely reliable narration that too of your beloved Aisha. 

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26 minutes ago, ashrafiya ahle bayt said:

When Imam Hussain (Rd) was on the battle of Karbala, before martyr he gave his will to Syada Zeenat (rd) by saying “O my beloved sister! i swear you. if i am martyred, d’nt do Matam, neither hurt your face (slapping) nor snatch your face with nails”. (i-e Dont do Matam)
Ref : Book Al-Irshad Vol 2

Who is Syada Zeenat? 

Rd - Radiyallaho anhu? in a shia book? 

28 minutes ago, ashrafiya ahle bayt said:

Ref : Book Al-Irshad Vol 2

Mentioning this much reference is not enough. This book has so many chapters, topic and sub-topics in it. 

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