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Asalam alikum wr wb,

i heard that there is a sect within shia that believe that Jibril made a mistake. and revealed the quran to the prophet mohammed pecae and blessing be upon him instead of Ali may Allah be pleased with him. is this true and if so what is there eveidence for this?

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Asalam alikum wr wb,

i heard that there is a sect within shia that believe that Jibril made a mistake. and revealed the quran to the prophet mohammed pecae and blessing be upon him instead of Ali may Allah be pleased with him. is this true and if so what is there eveidence for this?

Absolutely 100% FALSE. No Shia believe this (No shia that I have ever met), No scholars(that I know of) teach this

This is pure Wahabi/Salafi propaganda.

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Abu Hadi, we dont know what is in the shia books because they are behind with everything like: copy of shia books in english.

So we dont know,really.

To find out the truth about shia books you most know arabic.That is very dissapointment.

Almost all sunni books(in english) can be found in Internet.

I hope the Sji3a who are very learned in english will put their ''arabic books'' in internet so that everyone can read what sji'as really believe.

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Asalam alikum wr wb,

i heard that there is a sect within shia that believe that Jibril made a mistake. and revealed the quran to the prophet mohammed pecae and blessing be upon him instead of Ali may Allah be pleased with him. is this true and if so what is there eveidence for this?

No Shia believes that Jibril made a mistake and went to the Holy Prophet (pbuh) accidently when he meant to go to Imam Ali (as). To believe that is shirk. Of whom you are speaking are the Alewis or Alevis (aka Nusairis or Ansaris). They consider themselves to be Shia but are not considered a sect of Shia by the other Shias but a sect of Islam. They believe that Jibril made a mistake and went to the Prophet (pbuh) when he meant to go to Imam Ali (as). The Alewis (they may have been known under a different name at the time of Imam Ali (as)) existed at the time of the Imam (as). He had them put to the sword.

In answer to your question, yes there is a sect of Islam that believes this but they are not of the Shia.

FYI...the Alevis are the ruling party of Syria.

Edited by Akbar673

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Abu Hadi, we dont know what is in the shia books because they are behind with everything like: copy of shia books in english.

So we dont know,really.

To find out the truth about shia books you most know arabic.That is very dissapointment.

Almost all sunni books(in english) can be found in Internet.

I hope the Sji3a who are very learned in english will put their ''arabic books'' in internet so that everyone can read what sji'as really believe.

So are you trying to assert that Shias believe that Jibril meant to go to Imam Ali (as) instead of the Prophet (pbuh) ?

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So are you trying to assert that Shias believe that Jibril meant to go to Imam Ali (as) instead of the Prophet (pbuh) ?

What i mean is,its almost impossible to find all Shia hadith books on internet.

There is alot of job for Sji'as from usa/canada/uk to do.

Besides,i already know that the answer was Alawites.They consider themselves to be shia's just like Qadianis claim to be sunnis.

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Abu Hadi, we dont know what is in the shia books because they are behind with everything like: copy of shia books in english.

So we dont know,really.

To find out the truth about shia books you most know arabic.That is very dissapointment.

Almost all sunni books(in english) can be found in Internet.

I hope the Sji3a who are very learned in english will put their ''arabic books'' in internet so that everyone can read what sji'as really believe.

(salam)

Yes this is a problem. Even the well know Tafsir of Sayyid Ayatollah Tabatabai(may Allah(s.w.a) make his grave spacious) (Al Mizan) is not fully translated (only the first 8 volumes). I stopped waiting for this and started to learn Arabic. It has been a struggle, but InshahAllah, I will suceed.

Also, reading Quran, dua, hadith, and tafsir in English is like looking at an out of focus black and white image vs looking at a clear, color photograph. It is even more than that but I don't have a better comparison off the top of my head.

the resource that I constantly go back to is www.al-islam.org. It has alot but by no means complete.

Our Sunni br and sis are much further along in translating compared to us, I will be the first to admit that.

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(salam)

(bismillah)

On 2/28/2007 at 12:48 PM, sumayyah_afshar said:

i heard that there is a sect within shia that believe that Jibril made a mistake. and revealed the quran to the prophet mohammed pecae and blessing be upon him instead of Ali may Allah be pleased with him. is this true and if so what is there eveidence for this?

There was a sect in Islam that believed this, they were called al-Ghuraabiyyah. I have made a post about this in my blog, click here:

Al-Ghuraabiyyah: Jibraa'eel Makes a Mistake in Revelation

(salam)

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Asalam alikum wr wb,

i heard that there is a sect within shia that believe that Jibril made a mistake. and revealed the quran to the prophet mohammed pecae and blessing be upon him instead of Ali may Allah be pleased with him. is this true and if so what is there eveidence for this?

Now that you know the truth I hope that you will correct anybody repeating this 'fact' as if it is the belief of 99.9% of Shias. It is as if Shias went around saying that Sunnis do not belief in the finality of Prophethood citing the Ahmadis as proof. So lets have less of citing the beliefs of 0 .1% and more discussion on what the majority believe. My Ahmadi colleague said Ahmadis follow the Hanafi fiqh in virtually methodology and belief. Does this make Ahmadis Sunnis. I think not.

Abu Hadi, we dont know what is in the shia books because they are behind with everything like: copy of shia books in english.

So we dont know,really.

To find out the truth about shia books you most know arabic.That is very dissapointment.

Almost all sunni books(in english) can be found in Internet.

I hope the Sji3a who are very learned in english will put their ''arabic books'' in internet so that everyone can read what sji'as really believe.

The implication is that you do not believe the English books and prefer to muck rake. In order to understand Shia Hadith books firstly you have to understand that there is no concept of 'Sahih Hadith books' in Shiaism. The concept of Sahih books is only in Sunnism. Most Sunni 'Alims' prefer talking about what alawi and ismailis believe misrepresenting it as standard Shia beliefs. This premeditated slanderous action is just to confuse the general population in order to stop fraternal feelings between Sunnis and Shias.

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(bismillah)

(salam)

Very Simply know, it would not make sense, for starters, I do not think angel Jebrail (as) would make a mistake. But logically it wouldn't make sense, because if When the Quran was sent down it was meant to be give to Imam ALI (as), why would a child of 4-5 be given the Quran. It's not logical.

There is a video from Ammar nakshawni, let me provide the link below , watch all the parts; he discusses the various mis-conceptions on Shia's. He talks about this, I cant remember which part but Insh'Allah it will be useful if you watched all parts.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2nTp1XPNMmQ

The other parts can easily be found on the right hand side.

(wasalam)

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(salam)

Yes this is a problem. Even the well know Tafsir of Sayyid Ayatollah Tabatabai(may Allah(s.w.a) make his grave spacious) (Al Mizan) is not fully translated (only the first 8 volumes). I stopped waiting for this and started to learn Arabic. It has been a struggle, but InshahAllah, I will suceed.

Also, reading Quran, dua, hadith, and tafsir in English is like looking at an out of focus black and white image vs looking at a clear, color photograph. It is even more than that but I don't have a better comparison off the top of my head.

the resource that I constantly go back to is www.al-islam.org. It has alot but by no means complete.

Our Sunni br and sis are much further along in translating compared to us, I will be the first to admit that.

Akbar673, DONT LIE ITS HARAM, alevi are not the leading pary of syria, this is the muslim population is syria Sunnis: 74%, Shia 13% – ( Alawite, Twelvers, and Ismailis combined), and the other 13% of syria are different religions

True! Perhaps, it is because the Sunnis are the majority and, therefore, have more funds than us. Also, the Saudis do a lot to print and translate their books.

Akbar673, DONT LIE ITS HARAM, alevi are not the leading pary of syria, this is the muslim population is syria Sunnis: 74%, Shia 13% – ( Alawite, Twelvers, and Ismailis combined), and the other 13% of syria are different religions

He is NOT lying. It is true. The ruling family of Syria are the Assad Family and the Assad Family is Alawi.

You can check this link:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alawi

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I have forgot their name, but I believe it would be translated as the "crows." These people consider themselves Shia, but the Shia do not consider them Shia. The reason these people are called the "crows" is because angel Jibreel accidently met with Prophet Muhammad during the Night Of Power, confusing him for Imam Ali. As far as my research goes, it appears this is a dead sect, it no longer has any members/followers, which is for the best.

Hope this helps!

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