Jump to content
Sign in to follow this  
Haji 2003

Hadith e Kisa & Dua Kumayl

Rate this topic

Recommended Posts

I understand that in my parents' youth it was traditional to listen to Hadith e Kisa on Thursday evenings.

Nowadays people seem to be listening to Dua Kumayl.

Anyone know the reasons for this?

For example, when you go on Hajj on Thursday evenings by the Baqi cemetry you will have Dua Kumayl - same also in Mashhad.

Personally I listen to both.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
ive only heard dua kumayl a few times....

I would recommend reading it - together with commentaries on it.

The dua has a lot of insightful material about the nature of different types of sin, redemption and the relationship of man to God.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I understand that in my parents' youth it was traditional to listen to Hadith e Kisa on Thursday evenings.

Nowadays people seem to be listening to Dua Kumayl.

Anyone know the reasons for this?

For example, when you go on Hajj on Thursday evenings by the Baqi cemetry you will have Dua Kumayl - same also in Mashhad.

Personally I listen to both.

(bismillah)

(salam)

As you know that these are recommended things. The more you do the better it is. Some read Dua Kumayl, some Hadith e Kisa and some both.

WS

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
I understand that in my parents' youth it was traditional to listen to Hadith e Kisa on Thursday evenings.

Nowadays people seem to be listening to Dua Kumayl.

Anyone know the reasons for this?

For example, when you go on Hajj on Thursday evenings by the Baqi cemetry you will have Dua Kumayl - same also in Mashhad.

Personally I listen to both.

(bismillah) (salam)

This is part of a long hadith just translating what is necessary to answer your question.

".....He (Imam Ali (as)) said to Kumail, "What brings you here Kumail?".

Kumail said, "Dua al-Khidr (another name for Dua Kumail).

The Imam said, "Sit down kumail. O Kumail if you learn this dua, supplicate with it EVERY LAYLAT JUMU'A (Thursday evening), or once a month, or once a year, or atleast once in your lifetime......"

Edited by wilayah

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

(bismillah)

bro its another ploy - Kumail was a servant - and they are trying to undermine Hadis-e-kisa !which is about the purified ones ..

whereever you go - more emphasis is on dua kumail ?

Edited by faqir

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

faqir

bro its another ploy - Kumail was a servant - and they are trying to undermine Hadis-e-kisa !which is about the purified ones ..

This was the interpretation that I was given by one person.

Hadith-e-Kisa is clearly asserts the importance of the ahlul-bayt as seen by the Shia and I have seen Sunni web-sites arguing that actually it is with reference to the Prophet's wives pbuh (as if).

Dua Kumayl is much more 'ecumenical'.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
bro its another ploy - Kumail was a servant - and they are trying to undermine Hadis-e-kisa !which is about the purified ones ..

(bismillah)

(salam)

Bro first of all we will be happy to be dust under the feet (khak e paa) of the servants of Ahlul Bait (as) AND second you are mistaken.

One is related to the husband and another to the wife. Both are Masoom.

-Hadith e Kisa is a hadith narrated by Hazrat Bibi Fatima (SA).

-Dua e Kumail is the dua taught by Ameer al-Momeneen Imam Ali (as).

Both of these are the blessings of Allah and a gift of Ahlul Bait (as) to their followers. And Shia read them both, Al-Hamdulillah.

Kumail bin Ziyad was a close Sahabi of Maula Ali (as). Ameer al-Momeneen (as) who taught this dua to him. He was killed at the age of 90 and is burried b/w Najaf and Kufa.

WS

Edited by Orion

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
Guest so_solid_shia   
Guest so_solid_shia

salam alaikum..

Hope im not going against anything INSHA Allah. But why do people recite hadith al kisa at weddings? in no way am i doubting the importance of the hadeeth but surely isn't it much more beneficial to recite a dua than to say a hadeeth every thursday night? (JUST ASKING... ALL YOU ONLINE MAULANAS AN MAULANA-ETTES DONT ATTACK) Remembering and acknowledging the hadeeth is one thing, but say for example you repeat the hadeeth every friday morning " I am the city of knowledge and Ali is its gate etc" ....will that benefit u rather than reciting a dua?

:huh: khoda hafez

Oh yeh....wasn't 'Dua Kumayl' Nabi Khidhrs (as) dua that Imam Ali (as) narrated to his companion?

Edited by so_solid_shia

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Selam alaycom,

so so: Look at the end of Hadith e kisa, and you will know why people recite it at weddings or any time when they need blessings.

"Then Ali said to my loving father:

'Tell me! What merit the coming under this cloak has before Allah ?'

The Holy Prophet replied:

`By that Being, Who made me His Prophet and Who, for the salvation of mankind appointed me to prophethood! When any of our Shiites and supporters will assemble in a gathering of the inmates of this earth and narrate this Hadith, Allah will bestow on them His Blessings and Mercy; angels will encircle them and as long as they do not disperse, the angels will pray for the forgiveness of their sins.'

At this, Ali said:

`By Allah! We and our Shiites have now become triumphant.'

Then the Holy Prophet said:

'O Ali! By that Being, Who made me the righteous prophet and appointed me to the prophet-hood for the sake of people's salvation, whenever in the gathering of the inmates of this earth our Shiites and friends will assemble and narrate this Hadith of ours, and if some-one amongst them will be in agony, Allah will remove his trouble; and if someone was sorrowful, Allah will relieve him of his sorrows; will answer his needs.'

Then Ali said:

`By Allah! At this moment we have been crowned with success and Blessings; and by the Lord of Kaabah, in the same way our Shiites too have become triumphant and blessed in this world and the Hereafter.'

To hear a lovely recitation click here: http://www.imam-hussein.org/audio-video/audio-ram/kesa.ram

Peace,

Um Ali

Edited by jlainqatar

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Salam Alaikum

I have noticed that in Pakistan people have started competing Hadeeth-e-Kisa with Dua-e-Kumail. This is due to ignorance.

As Shokat Raza Shokat said once, Hadeeth-e-Kisa is about Marifat-e-Ahl-e-Bait (A), and Dua-e-Kumail is about Marifat-e-Rabb. There shouldnt be any comparison, both are good, both have been recited on Thursdays for a long long time, Hadeeth-e-Kisa is shorter and easier to understand (but by no means least important) and in some places recited more than Dua-e-Kumail.

Faqir, lets not go there and compete the words of Hazrat Zahra (A) with Hazrat Ali (A).

Nobody is undermining the importance of Hadeth-e-Kisa when they recite Dua-e-Kumail, its no ploy against the Shias, so get this conspiracy theory out of your head.

So Solid, if you read the translation of Hadeeth-e-Kisa you'll understand. Dont underestimate the zikr of Ahlul-Bait (A).

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

salam,

i have downloaded a copy of the dua kumail in english but am searching for a trasliterated version... can anyone help? and also, where would i find the Hadith e Kisa? pardon my lack of knowledge on all this but i recently left Sunni Islam and am sort of knee deep in trying to figure out proper Shia practice. inshaAllah, it is coming slowly but surely.

khadijah.

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
salam,

i have downloaded a copy of the dua kumail in english but am searching for a trasliterated version... can anyone help? and also, where would i find the Hadith e Kisa? pardon my lack of knowledge on all this but i recently left Sunni Islam and am sort of knee deep in trying to figure out proper Shia practice. inshaAllah, it is coming slowly but surely.

khadijah.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

(salam)

(bismillah)

Here are the links :

http://www.duas.org/hadis-e-kisa.htm

http://www.duas.org/kumayl.htm#transliteration

You can also listen here :

http://www.hussaynia.com/dua.htm

Another useful link to Duas :

http://www.baabeilm.org/present_dua.asp

All the Best

Salaam2u

:)

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites
(salam)

I have it.  It's one of those little books on the book shelf, you find it, it's yours.    :D

WaSalaam, Hajar

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

Salam, Hajar,

you are the best! thanks! i will be scouring your bookshelf a.s.a.p...... :D

Share this post


Link to post
Share on other sites

Create an account or sign in to comment

You need to be a member in order to leave a comment

Create an account

Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!

Register a new account

Sign in

Already have an account? Sign in here.

Sign In Now

Sign in to follow this  

  • Recent Posts on ShiaChat!

    • if four witnesses accused of stealing, you declared innocence, were innocent, but the witnesses were your enemies, is that a fair judgement?. The judge would not know, as the witnesses looked just like you. This happens around the world daily. Your statement is incorrect, it would not be a fair judgement, it would appear to be one, similar to how western politicians use this same concept to invade nations. It is a fair judgement according to their criteria. But those on the receiving end find it abysmal. The reason why you prefer B&W situations, because your mind prefers order and thus it is too simplistic in nature to consider options as it requires critical thinking. This is general for a majority of human beings, as there are too many variables in all cases including the B&W ones. Hence, if one were to analyse religion, its majority is based around this B&W concept, as order is preferred over disordered, especially in regards to the whole, even if we have collateral damage.
    • W Salam لا یستوی اصحاب النار و اصحاب الجنة، اصحاب الجنة هم الفائزون فما ذا بعد الحق الا الضلال قد تبین الرشد من الغی For God, everything is black and white It is for us, ignorant human beings, that gray areas exist, temporarily of course. ان تتقوا الله یجعل لکم فرقانا If you maintain Taqwa, you have black and white distinction in this life; and if not, it will be on the day of judgment, the day of distinction. هذا یوم الفصل جمعناکم و الاولین  
    • Either place right over left or left over right both mean cross legged. However, in Pakistan and India while people sit on the ground, they fold their legs like in yoga people do, but this is not exactly like Yoga but more relaxed, I think, I have to ask this question from my Maraja as well. 
    • That is still permissible or impermissible -_- you just mentioned that yourself... I'm not here debating situations, I'm here discussing verdicts and final judgement.  I would still call it a fair judgement. If someone gets his fingers cut off for stealing, even if he didn't, as long as the court satisfied the regulations of the shari'a, then I would consider it a fair judgement - knowing that the judge can only work through what Allah has given him he can work with. If he hadn't given that call, then he would be wrong and probably a sinner.
×