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#1 zainabia

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 02:24 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Salam Alaikum

Anybody knows the real names of

1) Abu Jahl
2) Abu Lahab
3) Wife of Abu Lahab


Thanks and was-salam.

#2 Aale Mohammad

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 02:45 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0](salam)
Here are the real names :

Abu Jahl -----> Amr ibn Hisham.
Abu Lahab -----> Abduluzzah
Abu Lahab's wife -----> Umm Jamil (Abu Sufyan's sister).

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 04:26 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Father of Ignorance and Father of Fire. Cute names...

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 01:23 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Salam Alaikum

thank you brother.

Was Salam

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Posted 23 September 2002 - 07:37 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]salaam

can someone tell me what the names muawiyah, abu sufian, yazid, uthman, umar and ayesha mean?

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Posted 24 September 2002 - 10:41 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>can someone tell me what the names muawiyah, abu sufian, yazid, uthman, umar and ayesha mean? <<<<<<<<<<<<<

Muawiyah means a female dog that barks when it gets excited.

Yazeed means to over-do, above the limits.

The others i dont know.

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Posted 29 September 2002 - 01:43 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Salaam,

Yazeed=To increase, Grow
Umar=Life
Aisha=living
Muawiyah=young fox (but I'm not sure in this)

was-salaam

#8 Slave_OF_AbuTalib(SA)

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 04:16 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I think Abu Jahl's real name was Umar bin Harkam?

Or Amr bin Harkam?  I dunno, he's a lanatee anyway.  He was related to Umar in some way, father in law or something

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 05:23 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Salam,

was abu sufyan one of the companions ? sahabah?

Abu Lahab's wife -----> Umm Jamil (Abu Sufyan's sister).


This is a bit funny if this is true.  Because Wahabi's like to argue that Abu Bakr is a great great great grandfather of Imam Jafar (as)  ...through Imam Jafar's (as) great grandma  lol

If Abu Sufyan is one of the companions, the best person compared to us because he is from the best of generations,  his sister was the wife of the man who is cursed in the Quran ( abu lahab ).  That's a much closer relation.

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 07:14 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]bismillah
(salam)

Our Ahle-Sunnah brothers ask us if Maulla Ali (as) didn't like Sheikhain, then why he gave his sons the names after the names of sheikhain.

But I notice that name of Jamil is still common in Arabs.

And what about real name of Abu Jahl?

Was Salam.

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 09:01 AM

[quote][color=#000000:post_uid0]If Abu Sufyan is one of the companions, the best person compared to us because he is from the best of generations,  his sister was the wife of the man who is cursed in the Quran ( abu lahab ).  That's a much closer relation.

#12 Baatil Ka Kaatil

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 09:37 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0](salam),


Once again, relation means nothing, it has no connection to one being pious or not.

There have been many relations which show this.

I have mentioned on this site a few of them, such as the wife of Yazid LA. She was the one who came with water in the prison of Damascus to give to the thirsty children.

This doesn't mean that Yazid was good or his wife was bad.

Wa'salaam

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#13 Slave_OF_AbuTalib(SA)

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 05:40 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Asalaam Alaikum,

Relations mean nothing unless you hve the acts to back them up.

Like for example, we shias are ordered to respect the syeds.  Muhammad(saws) order.  Men are not allowed to marry syed women.

Most shias have become bent, they end up marrying syed women.  Hence, you kill descendents of pure Imams(sa).

I remember a marajah being very strict in this.

Alhamdullilah, Inshallah we all get stronger and appreciate what we know!

wasalaam

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#14 Slave_OF_AbuTalib(SA)

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 05:41 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Asalaam Alaikum,

Relations mean nothing unless you hve the acts to back them up.

Like for example, we shias are ordered to respect the syeds.  Muhammad(saws) order.  Men are not allowed to marry syed women.

Most shias have become bent, they end up marrying syed women.  Hence, you kill descendents of pure Imams(sa).

I remember a marajah being very strict in this.

Alhamdullilah, Inshallah we all get stronger and appreciate what we know!

wasalaam

Ya Ali Madad

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Posted 02 October 2002 - 10:37 PM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Salam alaikum wa rahmatullah wa barakatuhu,

Bro baatil ka kaatil

Once again, relation means nothing, it has no connection to one being pious or not.


Bro Hussain

Ramlah bint Abu Sufyan (Umm Habiba) was the wife of the Prophet  , so that's colse relation, too. Isn't it?


Exactly my point :)  , thanks bro baatil ka kaatil, and bro Hussain :)

The argument of possible family ( relative ) relations between Abu Bakr, Umar, or Uthman with Ali (as) and ahlul-bayt (as) is not a strong one.



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#16 Baatil Ka Kaatil

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 03:25 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0](salam),

Like for example, we shias are ordered to respect the syeds.  Muhammad(saws) order.  Men are not allowed to marry syed women.


Bro this is not true.

[i:post_uid0]Question:

Some of the progeny of the purified household (i. e. the descendants of the Prophet) do not marry their daughters except to sayyids. What is your opinion on this?

Answer:

* This is in no way Islamic, nor has any study of the life of the Imams of Ahlulbayt shown that it was their practice. In fact, their biographical studies show quite the opposite, for in Islam, there is no class-based differentiation or discrimination in marriage.

--Ayat. Fadlullah




"Issue 11. There is no problem in marriages between an arab woman with a non-arab man, and between a Hashemite woman and a non-Hashemite (man) and vice versa. And similarly, there is no problem in marriage between the noble families of a society, with the people from the lower stage on the ladder of society, such as those who swipe the streets from dirt*; because a muslim is en par with a muslim, and a mu'min is on equal level of a mu'minah and some mu'mins are the equals of other mu'mins, the way it has reached us through ahadith, but marriage with a fasiq (great sinner), especially wine drinkers and those who commit fornication - even though it may have been in the past - is makruh."

al-Imam al-Khomeini [r]




"Issue 1300. (It is) permissible for a free woman to marry a slave, for a hashemite woman to marry a non-hashemite man, and an arab to marry a non-arab, and vice versa."

al-Syed al-Khoi [r]




"Issue 221. A muslim is en par with a muslim and a mu'min is equal to a mu'minah according to Shari'ah, and marriage between an arab woman and non-arab man, and Hashemite woman and non-Hashemite man, and marriage between someone from noble families of a society with someone from the lower status is permissible."



Ayatullah Seestani Ayatullah Seestani[/i:post_uid0]

Please do not mix cultural innovations with Islamic Law.

Wa'salaam

Asad Ali.

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 03:40 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]The argument of possible family ( relative ) relations between Abu Bakr, Umar, or Uthman with Ali and ahlul-bayt ( whether it's true or not ), that that must of meant Ali (as) liked Umar, Abu Bakr, Uthman, is not a strong one.



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#18 Slave_OF_AbuTalib(SA)

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 05:22 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Asalaam Alaikum,

Imam Musa Kasim(sa) had 17 daughters, he never married off any of them?????????

The rule on marrying Syedzadis is a very strict one.  If a non-syed man marries a syed women then the women loses her syeda title.  hence, you have just killed an offspring of Imam Ali(sa).

I dont even know if your fatwas are true.  But as for Ayatullah Khomani(ra), he does not state syeds.  Besides, from his students I know that it is utterly forbidden.

you do have new shias sects which have no respect for these syeds.  Iqbalis and Dakoos.

I can put my life on it that I heard correctly from learned scholars that you are not allowed!

If you want to, then you'll find out!

Ya Ali Madad

#19 Baatil Ka Kaatil

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 06:40 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0](salam),

You really need to research on the subject.

I dont even know if [u:post_uid0]your[/u:post_uid0] fatwas are true.  But as for Ayatullah Khomani(ra), he does not state syeds.  Besides, from his students I know that it is utterly forbidden.


Firstly, these aren't my Fatwahs'. Secondly Imam Khomenis' daughter who is a Syed is married to a Non Syed.

I don't think his daughter who is a pious Muslimah would go against the so called [i:post_uid0]ruling[/i:post_uid0] of her father.

If a non-syed man marries a syed women then the women loses her syeda title.  hence, you have just killed an offspring of Imam Ali(sa)


Erm...

I can put my life on it that I heard correctly from learned scholars that you are not allowed!


Which Learned scholars? Be careful what you say.

From what i know, the only scholar to ever declare it Haram has been Ayatollah Mohsin Al Hakeem.

This was only in a province in Pakistan due to some conditions.


There are some scholars who consider it Makruh.

Allah knows best.

Wa'salaam

Asad Ali.

#20 Slave_OF_AbuTalib(SA)

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 06:50 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]I suggest you go and talk to your Marajah.

As for his daughter marryinga non-syed.  I don't think he would allow it.

Taqlid, all our marajir usually have a common standing point.  they do not differ in their verdicts.  we are not sunnis who can choose what we want to follow.

In terms of fiqh, their are conditions.  as for marrying a syeda, I think most people have gone with their desires.

but the facts are obvious.  Just go and ask a proper pious man, he'll tell ya;)

#21 Baatil Ka Kaatil

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 07:01 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0](salam),



Taqlid, all our marajir usually have a common standing point.  they do not differ in their verdicts.  we are not sunnis who can choose what we want to follow.


Not true.

Look at the Fatwah for mourning from the viewpoint of Imam Khomeni and Ayatollah Khameni, and then compare it to the Rulings of Syed Seestani and Ayatollah Khoi.

There are many things which they differ on. That is why we have [b:post_uid0]different Marjae'[/b:post_uid0].

The ruling maybe different but their interpretation regarding the matter is correct therefore there can be several rulings on one topic which can be correct.

Just go and ask a proper pious man, he'll tell ya;)


For your complete satisfaction i will E-Mail Ayatollah Khamenis' office and post the ruling once i get it here.

I therefore request Br Ya Zahra to get the ruling according to Syed Seestani.

Wa'salaam

Asad Ali.

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 07:27 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]yep, ask Agha Seestani, and Agha Khamani.  Was a very good idea.

By the way, when we emailed these people, and then asked the ayatullahs in person.  They gave 2 different responses on certain issues.

Do youthink someone else is mis-tranlating the fatwas.  If thats the way you have got your fatwas, then its no wonder that you have incorrect views.

the ulema of najaf all have a common standing point.  the british tried to say they contradicted each other, but they refuted the britih.

Hence, my words are finished!  you'll need to go in person.  words via internet are of no real meaning.  anyone can be a fraud ayatullah.

look at how sadam tried to use a dodgy fatwa under agha seestanis name?

i do suggest you go to your local mosque and ask.  if he's any good he'll tell you what is the verdict of your assumed marajar.

wasalaam

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 07:59 AM

[quote][color=#000000:post_uid1]Salaam,

Yazeed=To increase, Grow
Umar=Life
Aisha=living
Muawiyah=young fox (but I'm not sure in this)

was-salaam

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 09:15 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0]Assalaamu Alaikum

In accordance with the Fatawi of Ayatollah Seestani, it is permissible for a sayyida female to marry a non-sayyid male, if he is a good momin and her equal in the eyes of Allah ÓÈÍÇäå æÊÚÇáì.

The hadith of Rasolallah (saww) says there is no difference between the highest of Bani Hashim and the poorest of the foreigners but with faith.

wasalaam

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Posted 03 October 2002 - 09:29 AM

[color=#000000:post_uid0](salam),

slave is saying that people can lie over the internet, therefore we cannot beleive any Fatwah of any scholar unless we ask him in person.

Slave, rethink your statement. No one would lie about such matters. If they did they would be knowledgable enough to know the consequences.

Wa'salaam

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