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  1. Sheik Hassan Allahyari. Salam. Last week Sheikh Asrar Rashid issued at challenge to the Shia Ulema based in the West to debate him. I hereby accept the challenge. Having previously debated and destroyed a plethora of Bakri titans via TV debates, I'll happily do the same with you. I'm based in the USA so therefore fulfill your requirement that the scholar be from the West. As the debate will need to be via satellite I'm happy for it to be aired live for all to see. We can show it concurrently on my Ahlelbayt TV channel and whatever Bakri channel (using your facebook live or any other means of live streaming) you want to show it on. So Shaykh Asrar, I am here, ready, willing and able. Now all that's left is for us to agree the conditions of the debate on the uprightness of the Sheikhayn (Abu Bakr, Umar, A'isha ) and all other companions who deviated from the path of Allah (swt). I'll look forward to hearing from you in due course. Ahlbaittv@gmail.com https://eng.abtv.org
  2. Salaam all, I have been watching the Umar series just to allow free thought and invite open-mindedness and to understand the roots of Islam and shism better. I just had a question: The prophet passed away, not long after the event of ghadeer whereby he proclaimed Imam Ali (a.s) as a successor. Upon the tragic death of the prophet, the "muslims" decided to take control of the ummah (as though it was their responsibility and not Allah's command). They treated Islam as a country, rather than a divine message, allowing to 'elect' leaders themselves, whereas, Islam has always been a religion propagated by DIVINELY CHOSEN individuals, not those chosen by ordinary fallibles. So my question is, how come, upon 'electing' the next successor, not one individual spoke about ghadeer, how can such a vast majority of muslims simply 'forget' about such an important event. I mean, not all of them would have been power hungry, at least someone should have remembered it.. Since so many people had forgotten about such an event, and so quickly, what does that say about ghadeer itself, it happened, for sure, but how would one justify it through this lens? Wassalam
  3. a short video definitely worth watching.... Quran: O you who have believed, do not raise your voices above the voice of the Prophet or be loud to him in speech like the loudness of some of you to others, lest your deeds become worthless while you perceive not. 53:2 Your companion [Muhammad] has not strayed, nor has he erred, 53:3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. 53:4 It is not but a revelation revealed,
  4. Sincere Questions for our Shi’a brethren 1. Imamat for Imamiya Ithna Ashari Shi’as is considered as Usul e Deen and in maqam and position it is considered greater than Nabuwwah or atleast equal to Nabuwwah. We would like to ask you that how has this Usul e Deen not stated in Quran al Kerim. Allah Almighty time and again tells us to Believe in Allah and the Ambiyaa in Kutub wa Suhuf e Ambiyaa a.s, in Maa’d in Jannah in Jahannam in Meezan in Malak and many other important matters. But no where in the whole Quran al Kerim are we commanded or told to Believe in Imams or the understanding of “Imamat” is not in line with Quranic dawah. How can an Usul e Deen be established when it finds no mention in the Quran al Kerim? 2. Imam ‘Ali a.s did not consider the rebels of Shaam as Kuffar for they did not believe in the Imamah/Khilafah of Amirul Momineen and also those who did not accept Imamah of Imam al Hasan a.s were not unbelievers. So does a disbelief in any Usul e Deen imply Kufr and if not then please give us your definition of what “Usul e Deen “ is. 3. In Nahjul Balagha we do not find any support for the Shi’a concept of Imamah raher on contrary maters of Imamah wal Khilafah were considered as per consensus of Muhajireen wal Ansaar and at many places Imam ‘Ali himself stated that people have no option but to have an Amir be it good or bad. A sincere study of Nahjul Balagha will prove that the understanding of Imamah which was later developed by Shi’a was not the Manhaj and belief of Salaf e Saliheen and is a later innovation. 4. Is Khilafah of Imam ‘Ali a.s mansoos MinAllah if yes then how can Imam be ready for arbitration to chose a Caliph whereas this mansab is from Allah Almighty and not men. This amal of Imam Ali and also of Imam Hasan a.s proves that Khilafah is not Mansoos MinAllah in the sense the shi’a believe it btu rather as per the agreed upon choice of the best of Muslims of their time and that decision is condiered Mansoos MinAllah. 5. We would like to ask the Shi’a that whether the Promise of Allah Almighty in Surah Nur to give Khilafah and then peace and security to the Muslims , whether this promised has been fulfilled or we wait for time of Imam al Mahdi a.s for this to be fulfilled. In Nahjul Balagha the advises and words of Imam ‘Ali a.s to Hazrat ‘Umar r.a is a shining proof that Imam referred to a promise from Allah in terms of victories of Muslims over Kaiser wal Kisra. And referred to Khalifa as string for the beads. And many others words of wisdom from ‘Amir a.s are shining proof that Salaf e Saliheen understood Khilafat e Rashida r.a as fulfilling this promise of Allah for khilafah to Muslims . 6. Tahrif e Quran: The shi’a state that it is foundational belief of Shi’a Imamiya that there is not a Tahrif of a single Alif or a letter and it is present with us as it was before pure and in original form. Shaykh Saduq, Shaykh Tusi, Sharif Murtaza, Ayatullah Khoei and others are all unianimous on it. We have to give them the credit of trying to educate the Juhalaa among the Shi’a but we ask the Shi’a that do they consider those who believe in Tahrif of Quran al Kerim as Muslims anymore or Kuffar. However it is saddening that the shi’a do not do so as Al-Majlisi, Tabrisi, Qummi and Al-Mufid and others believe in Tahrif e Quran and yet the shia still looka t these scholars as leaders of guidance. Clearly this is a sign of their dishonest and hypocritical stand! Any sane and sincere looker can see through this fallacy and deception. I really believe that because of the stance of Shi’a towards Quran al Kerim they have produced very very scarce and few Huffaz and even they cannot meet the caliber of the Huffaz from Ahle Sunnah Wal Jamaah. The urge and great love for Tilawah and organizing the study of Quran al kerim and to do Hifz is found in Ahle Sunnah and not in shi’a and the reason is centuries of their Aqaaed of Tahrif e Quran and doubts over its being in original form and also in their notion that it is not present in the Tartib ‘Ali a.s had compiled. But now in Iran a lot of people are arising from this deception the late Ayatullah Tabatabai felt this big gap and hence produced a Tafsir known as Tafsir al Mizan. 7. Sahaba: In Quran al kerim, Nahjul Balagha, Sahifah e Sjaadiya if we look at the understanding of Sahaba then only way of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah is in line with Quran al Kerim and Nahjul Balagha and Sahifah e Imam Ali bin al Hussain. The fact that their praise in mentioned in Quran al Kerim and authentic ahadith is enough a proof for the Fazilat e Sahaba e Kiraam. The Shi’a never attack the companions of Imams and it seems from their ways that they honor ‘Ali a.s more than Rasoolallah saws as they do not realise the branches are not like the root. And the Adab and love of Rasoolallah Saws would have demanded from them to keep their tongues shut in matters of Sahaba e Kiraam and realized that they had believed and occumpanied Nabi e Akhiruzamaan saws and fought for Islam and laid their lives and wealth for the cause of Islam and spread the Word of Tawhid across the world. This is the reason that we find less love for Quran al Kerim, Implementing Sunnah and Jihad in the Shi’a as Sahaba e Kiraam are the real Pioneers in them and this Deen spread through them. This is why very few books on Seerah and few Naat khaawn were found among the Shi’a. This is why their hearts do not Brim with Zikr e Mustafa (Saws) like you find with Ahle Sunnah. Their support of Yahud wal Nasara and despising Jihad and how Allah Almighty has always strengthened Borders of Islam through followers of Sahaba e Kiraam and Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah is another shining proof of the Shia being on misguidance. We will only focus on Usul. I fail to understand how can the reports of Holy Prophet Saws be relied upon unless we do not remove the shi’a way of thinking. In terms of Ilm e Rijaal and science of Hadith Shi’a cannot match the hardwork and knowledge base of Ahle Sunnah wal Jamaah. The foundation of Shia thought process is very weak but that of Ahle Sunnah is like steel so on what should one base his/her Aqaaed. Taqqiyah, Rajat and Badaa all these aqaaed are indeed not in line with understanding of the Quran al Kerim by the Salaf e Saliheen and hence are later innovations of the Shi’a. We seek sincere answers of the Shi’a to these questions of ours and ask them that is not their line of thinking actually trying to paint a very negative picture of First Muslims and What hope does his generation or many others have in a revolution and change and Tazkiyaa wa Tasfiyaa if he Greatest of all Teachers Nabi e Akhiruzamaan Saws could not bring such a change only handful of Muslims remained true to their belief and then their belief of Imamat and Taqqiyah . I believe these are genuine questions every shia should ponder over and Allah has power over all things and He alone is Al-Hadi
  5. Assalam O Alaikum all shia brothers/sisters. This post is dedicated to @Tawheed313 @skamran110 @BornShia @shiaman14 @yam_110 Lets forget about the reason why Imams had named their children as Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. Whatever may be the reason behind this, its not important. Because its an established fact that Imams actually did that. The most important thing is that being the true lover and follower of Ahlebait you should also name your children as Abu Bakr, umar and Uthman. And I think there is no any big deal in it for a true lover of Ahlebait. Instead of feeling any embarrasment, You should proudly tell your relatives and friends that I have given my son such name out of my love for Ahlebait, as if Ahlebait can give their children these names (Abu Bakr, Umar, Uthman & other) then why can't we shias, being their followers. Trust me this will increase your love for Ahlebait more. On the other hand followers of Ahlul Sunnah following the footsteps of Ahlebait not only are giving their children names like Muhammad, Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussain, Abbas, Ammar, Abu zar, Miqdad, Salman, but also they name their children as Abu Bakr, Umar, uthman, as well as Ayesha, Hafsa, Talha, Zubair, Anas, Khalid etc. ALHAMDULILLAH. Ahlul Sunnah is far ahead of you in this regard. Not only, We have accepted the fact but also applied to ourselves. WATCH THESE VIDEOS and refresh your knowledge and Imaan. Follow Ahlebait practically and name your children as they did.
  6. I know the widespread belief of 12'er Shias regarding Abu Bakr (R.A) Umar (R.A). I am curious where Zaydis stand on this.
  7. How can one prove that the caliph after rasullulah was divinely appointed [i.e the sucessor of Rasullulah (SAW) was divinely chosen]
  8. The Two Caliphs and Khums

    As-Salamu 'Alaikum, I was doing a research on khums in Sunni fiqh. At a point, I wanted to find out how and when Abu Bakr and 'Umar paid Imam 'Ali, Umm Abiha Fatimah, Imam al-Hasan and Imam al-Husayn, 'alaihim as-salam, their shares of khums, in line with the Qur'an: واعلموا أنما غنمتم من شيء فأن لله خمسه وللرسول ولذي القربى واليتامى والمساكين وابن السبيل إن كنتم آمنتم بالله وما أنزلنا على عبدنا يوم الفرقان يوم التقى الجمعان والله على كل شيء قدير And know that whatever of war-booty that you may gain, verily one-fifth (1/5th) of it is assigned to Allah, and to the Messenger, and to the near relatives (of the Messenger, Muhammad (SAW)), (and also) the orphans, Al-Masakin (the poor) and the wayfarer, if you have believed in Allah and in that which We sent down to Our slave (Muhammad SAW) on the Day of criterion (between right and wrong), the Day when the two forces met (the battle of Badr) - And Allah is Able to do all things. (Qur'an 8:41; Muhsin Khan transl.) Both Abu Bakr and 'Umar waged wars and captured war booties. 'Umar, in particular, was very successful in the war affairs. Therefore, they both had no excuse not to pay the aforementioned members of the pure Ahl al-Bayt their shares of khums. Unfortunately, I was unable to locate any reliable Sunni report which show that either Abu Bakr or 'Umar paid them their shares of khums. This is why I am requesting the help of especially Sunni brothers here, to help find the needed reports. Otherwise, non-payment of khums is a sign of disbelief. I wouldn't want to draw a quick conclusion, without getting helping hands into the search. I am sure the Sunni (or perhaps Shi'i) brothers here will be able to find the reports I need. Shukran.
  9. Revisitingthesalaf Refuted!

    (salam) (bismillah) One of our brothers from the HCY forum ([url Edited]) has complied a number of refutations of the RevisitingTheSalaf group (99% refuted apparently) and has asked for the link to this website to be distributed to Shi'a websites and circles for reading. www.twelvershia.net Enjoy. (salam)
  10. Salam Aleikum to you all! In this post i want to know why "a part" of the shiites hate the sahaba's of the prophet (saws). I know that the shiites think that a big part of the sahabs were disbelief or deviants, which offcause is not the truth.. Why does you talk bad about the wife of the prophet, Aisha (ra) ?? Do you really think, that the prophet (saws) would be happy about your behavour? Do you think Allah (SWT) is pleased with your cursing over the sahaba's? Do you think your a better muslim than the people closes to the prophet (saws)? How would you stand in front of Allah (SWT) at the judgments day and say that your not acknowledges the people that he has protected and blessed? Wa Salam
  11. The Conclusion Read here: http://www.revisitingthesalaf.org/2014/07/the-oppression-of-sayeda-faatima-sa_2.html
  12. The famous sermon of Imam Ali (as) , known as Shaqshaqiyya, has raised questions about the authenticity of Nahjul Balagha among the Ahlul Sunnah, but I would like to prove that it was recorded by many well know Sunni scholars in their books long before the compiler of Nahjul Balagha was born. The sermon was reported by ibn Abbas who was present, in the following books (sunni books only):, Majma' al amthaal by al Maydani v1 page 369, Ibn al Athir in al Nihayah v2 page 294, Lisaan al arab by ibn Mandhoor, al Qamus by al Fairuzabadi v3 page 251, and many more.. Here is what Imam Ali (as) said once he had the chance to speak the truth. His famous speech: Beware! By Allah! the son of Abu Quhafah (Abu Bakr) dressed himself with it (the caliphate) and he certainly knew that my position in relation to it was the same as the position of the axis in relation to the hand-mill. The flood water flows down from me and the bird cannot fly upto me. I put a curtain against the caliphate and kept myself detached from it. Then I began to think whether I should assault or endure calmly the blinding darkness of tribulations wherein the grown up are made feeble and the young grow old and the true believer acts under strain till he meets Allah (on his death). I found that endurance thereon was wiser. So I adopted patience although there was p.ricking in the eye and suffocation (of mortification) in the throat. I watched the plundering of my inheritance till the first one went his way but handed over the Caliphate to Ibn al-Khattab after himself. (Then he quoted al-A`sha’s verse): My days are now passed on the camel’s back (in difficulty) while there were days (of ease) when I enjoyed the company of Jabir’s brother Hayyan. It is strange that during his lifetime he wished to be released from the caliphate but he confirmed it for the other one after his death. No doubt these two shared its udders strictly among themselves. This one put the Caliphate in a tough enclosure where the utterance was haughty and the touch was rough. Mistakes were in plenty and so also the excuses therefore. One in contact with it was like the rider of an unruly camel. If he pulled up its rein the very nostril would be slit, but if he let it loose he would be thrown. Consequently, by Allah people got involved in recklessness, wickedness, unsteadiness and deviation. Nevertheless, I remained patient despite length of period and stiffness of trial, till when he went his way (of death) he put the matter (of Caliphate) in a group and regarded me to be one of them. But, Heavens! What had I to do with this “consultation”? Where was any doubt about me with regard to the first of them that I was now considered akin to these ones? But I remained low when they were low and flew high when they flew high. One of them turned against me because of his hatred and the other got inclined the other way due to his in-law relationship and this thing and that thing, till the third man of these people stood up with heaving breasts between his dung and fodder. With him his children of his grand-father, (Umayyah) also stood up swallowing up Allah’s wealth5 like a camel devouring the foliage of spring, till his rope broke down, his actions finished him and his gluttony brought him down prostrate. At that moment, nothing took me by surprise, but the crowd of people rushing to me. It advanced towards me from every side like the mane of the hyena so much so that Hasan and Husayn were getting crushed and both the ends of my shoulder garment were torn. They collected around me like a herd of sheep and goats. When I took up the reins of government one party broke away and another turned disobedient while the rest began acting wrongfully as if they had not heard the word of Allah saying: That abode in the hereafter, We assign it for those who intend not to exult themselves in the earth, nor (to make) mischief (therein); and the end is (best) for the pious ones. (Qur’an, 28:83). Yes, by Allah, they had heard it and understood it but the world appeared glittering in their eyes and its embellishments seduced them. Behold, by Him who split the grain (to grow) and created living beings, if people had not come to me and supporters had not exhausted the argument and if there had been no pledge of Allah with the learned to the effect that they should not acquiesce in the gluttony of the oppressor and the hunger of the oppressed I would have cast the rope of Caliphate on its own shoulders, and would have given the last one the same treatment as to the first one. Then you would have seen that in my view this world of yours is no better than the sneezing of a goat. (It is said that when Amir al-mu’minin reached here in his sermon a man of Iraq stood up and handed him over a writing. Amir al-mu’minin began looking at it, when Ibn `Abbas said, “O’ Amir al-mu’minin, I wish you resumed your Sermon from where you broke it.” Thereupon he replied, “O’ Ibn `Abbas it was like the foam of a Camel which gushed out but subsided.” Ibn `Abbas says that he never grieved over any utterance as he did over this one because Amir al-mu’minin could not finish it as he wished to.) The truth about what happened after the death of our Prophet (pbuh) is there brothers and sisters.
  13. According to the Ahlul Sunnah, these will all be in Janah: 1)Imam Ali (as) , 2)Abu Bakr, 3)Umar, 4)Uthman, 5)Talhah, 6) Zubair. I know there's more but I just want to focus on these. Ok, so... The second and third cause the death of the first's wife. Also, the fourth and fifth tried to kill the first. Oh, I almost forgot, the second, third and fourth on that list stole the Khilafah from the first... but, all of them will be together in Janah. Could anyone from Ahlul Sunnah explain this?! And if any Shi'a would like to add to this they would be very welcome. ws
  14. As all Muslims know Grave of Fatimah bint Rasul Allah (sawas){ فاطمه بنت رسول الله } is hidden? It is amazing and questionable that why her ( Fatimah Zahra فااطمه زهرا ) grave is hidden. She ( Faimeh daughter of Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh&hf) dies in time of Government ( Khilafat ) of Abu Bakr. But her grave is unknown it means Khalifa Awwal ( Abu Bakr), Umar hadn't know her grave ! Lets see what happened to Fatima bint Muhammad ( Spouse of Ali ibn Abitalib) who that we recite tasbih ( memorial of her as called tasibihat Fatima Zahra [ i.e. 34 times الله اکبر Allahu Akbar , 33 times سبحان الله Subhan Allah , 33 times الحمد اللهAlhamdu lillah after prayers]). In shia books events of after demise of Rasul Allah Muhammad ( pbuh&hf) and what happened to Fatima daughter of Prohet of Islam has been written in details, I will write some narration from Sunni Books about it and will attach scan of some pages from those books , InshaAllah. In first I amphasize that Islam and all deeds and Ibadats is for Oath of Allah and to satisfaction of Allah. Satisfaction of Allah and angry of Allah subhanahu wa ta'ala (الله سبحانه و تعالی )indicate who is in Heaven ( Jannah , Paradise جنت جنه) and who is in Hell ( Nar, Jahhannam جهنم ،نار). And we know following Hadith from Prophet of Islam that said: The Prophet of Islam Muhammad (PBUH&HF) had frequently said: "Fatimah is a part of me. Whoever makes her angry, makes me angry." Sunni references: - Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v5, Traditions #61 and #111 - Sahih Muslim, section of virtues of Fatimah, v4, pp 1904-5 So Fatimah's Satisfaction and angry show way of Allah's Satisfaction and angry . In otherwise with behavior of Fatima Zahra and her Satisfaction and angry we know who is it Right way of Islam and who is not. Fatima Zahra bint Muhammad is very important person and she is daughter of Holy Prophet (sawas) and is master of women of Jinnah , and most important that is Fatimah Zahra shows us truth and right way and satisfation of Allah. Now briefly look at events happened to Fatima Zahra ( Daughter of Islam apostle (sawas)): The Sunni scholars, Ahmad Ibn Abdul Aziz al-Jawhari in his book 'Saqifah', Abu Waleed Muhibbuddin Mohammad al-Shahnah al-Hanafi in his book 'Rawdhat al-Manadhir Fi Akhbaar al-Awayil wal-Aawaakhir', Ibn Abil Hadid in his book 'Sharh al-Nahj', and others have reported the events to the same effect and mention that: Everybody came out of the house except Ali who said: "I have sworn to remain home until I collect the Quran." Umar refused but Lady Fatimah's remonstration caused him to return. He instigated Abu Bakr to pursue the matter, and he send Qunfuz (his slave) several times but received a negative reply each time. Ultimately, Umar went with a group of people to the Fatimah's house. When she heard their voice, Fatimah cried loudly; "O father, O Messenger of Allah, how are Umar Ibn al-Khattab and Abu Bakr Ibn Abi Quhafah treating us after you and how do they meet us." it is reported that: Ali and Abbas were sitting inside the house of Fatimah, Abu Bakr told Umar: "Go and bring them; if they refuse, kill them." Umar brought fire to burn the house. Fatimah came near the door and said: "O son of Khattab, have you come to burn our house on me and my children?" Umar replied: "Yes I will, by Allah, until they come out and pay allegiance to the Prophet's Caliph." Ahl Sunna reference: - Iqd al-Fareed, by Ibn Abd Rabb, Part 3, Pg. 63 - al-Ghurar, by Ibn Khazaben, related from Zayd Ibn Aslam# Umar Ibn al-Khattab came to the house of Ali. Talha and Zubair and some of the immigrants were also in the house. Umar cried out: "By God, either you come out to render the oath of allegiance, or I will set the house on fire." al-Zubair came out with his sword drawn. As he stumbled (upon something), the sword fell from his hand so they jumped over him and seized him." Sunni Reference: History of Tabari, English version, v9, pp 186-187 Also Jouhari in his book said: "Umar and a few Muslims went to the house of Fatimah to burn it down and to burn those who were in opposition." Ibn Shahna said the same statement adding "to burn the house and inhabitants". Another Sunni historian, al-Baladhuri, reported that: Abu Bakr asked Ali to support him, but Ali refused, then Umar went toward the Ali's house with a burning torch. At the door he met Fatimah who said to him: "Do you intend to burn the door of my house?" Umar said: "Yes, because this act will strengthen the faith brought to us by your father." reference: al-Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586 The Sunni scholar, Abu Mohammad Abdullah Ibn Muslim Ibn Qutaybah Daynuri in his history of Caliphs known as "al-Imamah wa al- Siyasah" reported: Umar asked for wood, and told those people inside the house: "I swear by Allah who has my soul in his hand, that if you do not come out, I will burn the house." Someone told Umar that Fatimah was inside the house. Umar said: "So what! It doesn't matter to me who is in the house." AhlSunnah book: al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 3,19-20 The historian named the following people among those who attacked the house of Fatimah to disperse people who sheltered there: - Umar Ibn al-Khattab - Khalid Ibn Walid - Abdurrahman Ibn Ouf - Thabit Ibn Shammas , Ziad Ibn Labid, Muhammad Ibn Maslamah , Salamah Ibn Salem Ibn Waqash , Salamah Ibn Aslam, Usaid Ibn Hozair , Zaid Ibn Thabit When Umar came to the door of the house of Fatimah, he said: "By Allah, I shall burn down (the house) over you unless you come out and give the oath of allegiance(to Abu Bakr)." Sunni books References: (pages vary in prints) - History of Tabari (Arabic), v1, pp 1118-1120 - History of Ibn Athir, v2, p325 - al-Isti'ab, by Ibn Abd al-Barr, v3, p975 - Tarikh al-Kulafa, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p20 - al-Imamah wal-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 19-20 Kanz al-Ummal, v3, p140 writes: Umar said to Fatimah (who was behind the door of her house): "I know that the Prophet of God did not love any one more than you, but this will not stop me to carry out my decision. If these people stay in your house, I will burn the door in front of you." ---------------- Shibli Numani himself testifies the above event in the following words: "From Umar's irritable and peevish temperament such an action on his part was not improbable." al-Faruq, by Shibli Numani, p44 It is also reported that: Abu Bakr said (on his death bed): "I wish I had not searched for Fatimah's house, and had not sent men to harass her, though it would have caused a war if her house would have continued to be used as a shelter." Sunnis references: - History of Ya'qubi, v2, pp 115-116 - Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586 Salahuddin Khalil al-Safadi another Sunni scholar in his book 'Waafi al- Wafiyyaat' under the letter 'A' while recording the view of Ibrahim Ibn Sayyar Ibn Hani al-Basri, well-known as Nidhaam quotes him to have said: "On the day of 'Bay'aat' (paying allegiance), Umar hit Fatimah on the stomach such that child in her womb died." :( :no: --------------------------------------------------- Now lets know what was Fatima opinion: Fatimah be angry to Umar and Abu Bakr: During Fatimah last days, when Abu Bakr and Umar sought the mediation of Ali to visit the ailing Fatimah , as quoted by Ibn Qutaybah, she tured her face to the wall when they greeted her and in response to their plea for appeasement reminded them of the prophetic declaration that one who displeases Fatimah has displeased the Prophet and finally said: "I take Allah and the angels to be my witness that you have not pleased me; on the other hand, you have angered me. When I shall meet the Prophet (PBUH&HF) I will complain about you two." (al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah, by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, p14). For the same reason, she willed that those who have hurt her should not participate in her funeral rites and that she be buried at night. Hidden grave of Fatimah is sign of all oppression and cruelties have been happened to her: al-Bukhari in his Sahih attests to this fact that Ali complied with the will of Lady Fatimah . al-Bukhari narrated on the authority of Aisha that: ... Fatimah became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not talk to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband 'Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself. Sunni references: - Sahih al-Bukhari, Chapter of "The battle of Khaibar", Arabic-English, v5, tradition #546, pp 381-383, also v4, Tradition #325
  15. (salam) I haven't posted in this section for a long time due to the same old topics being re-cycled over and over, it got useless; a discussion of ego's. I want to ask all those that believe the first 3 to be superior to Imam Ali (as) a few simple questions. Where are the scholarly works of the 3? if there aren't any why not? Surely if they are so elevated then they must have some books of there own. If not where are their many beautiful sermons/sayings? We all know that Imam Ali's (as) sermons and sayings are compiled; Nahjul Balagha. Please keep it on topic and useful. I just want to hear opinions/theories, without bias if possible. ----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- I just saw this thread - http://www.shiachat....-it-understood/ My bad, it is in essence the same question.
  16. Who Is Abu Bakr?

    This video gives the details of Abu Bakr's behaviour towards Fatima Zahra(sa) quoting from Sahih Bukhari. Link-
  17. Khulafa Series

    Someone recently mentioned how ahl sunnah wal jammah denied the caliphate of imam (ra). Of course this is not true, I thought about writing a long response detailing what ahl sunnah beliefs with regards to imam Ali (ra) and the rest of ahl bayt (as). But realized I would have to go into what we believed and did not believe. Debates etc etc. I just didn't want to go through all that, maybe another time and I've been pretty busy so instead I'm going to post some informative videos which details the ahl sunnah position on some important personalities in Islamic history. I'm starting off with sayyiduna Ali (ra). The lecture is not long and is very good. I believe those who take the time will benefit from it.
  18. "Doubt" Shia Claim that Abu Bakr, Umar and Usman Killed Fatima (Ali’s Wife). So if it is true Why Did Imam Ali name his sons Abu Bakr, Umar , Usman??? 1. Abu Bakr is a konia( means cognomen or nickname). Konia dosen’t choose by father. The real name of Abu Bakr was “Atiq”. Abu al-Faraj Isfahani Said: قتل عبد الله بن علي بن أبي طالب، وهو ابن خمس وعشرين سنة ولا عقب له. “ Abdullah Ibn Ali was killed when he was 25 in Karbala” [Maqatelo at-Talibin vol.1 page 22] So his name was Abdullah and it’s the name of Muhammad’s father. 2. Umar used to change the name of children. Bilazari Said: وكان عمر بن الخطاب سمّى عمر بن عليّ بإسمه. Umar ibn Khattab chose his own name for Umar Ibn Ali [Ansab al-Ashraf vol 1 page 297] And Ibn Hajar named 21 persons of Sahabi ( friends of the prophet) who their names was Umar [ Al-Asabat Fi Tameez as-Sahabi vol.1 page 186] 3. Imam Ali Said: إنّما سمّيته بإسم أخي عثمان بن مظعون. I named my son Uthman because of my servant Uthman ibn Math'un. [ Maqatelo at-Talibin vol.1 page 22] Now I ask you if you name your son “George” means you love “George W Bush”???? And Why Usman, Umar and Abu Bakr didn’t name their son “Ali”??? Now read this if you think Ali like Abu Bakr He said: When the Messenger of Allah passed away, Abu Bakr said:" I am the successor of the Messenger of Allah." Both of you came to demand your shares from the property (left behind by the Messenger of Allah). (Referring to Hadrat 'Abbas), he said: You demanded your share from the property of your nephew, and he (referring to 'Ali) demanded a share on behalf of his wife from the property of her father. Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him) said: The Messenger of Allah had said:" We do not have any heirs; what we leave behind is (to be given in) charity." So both of you thought him to be a liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest. And Allah knows that he was true, virtuous, well-guided and a follower of truth. When Abu Bakr passed away and (I have become) the successor of the Messenger of Allah and Abu Bakr (Allah be pleased with him), you thought me to be a """"liar, sinful, treacherous and dishonest""". [ Reference: Sahih Muslim 1757 c;In-book reference : Book 32,Hadith 58;USC-MSA web (English) reference: Book 19, Hadith 4349] So Ali believed that Abu Bakr was liar, sinful, treacherous.
  19. Proofs of The Sunni's Books That Show Omar & Abu Bakr Were Unbeliever 1. Innovator In Religion Is Pagan قال رسول الله ص: آَبیَ اللهُ آن یقبلَ عملَ صاحبِ بدعهٍ حتیّ یدع بدعتَه. [1] It was narrated that 'Abdullah bin 'Abbas said: "The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'Allah refuses to accept the good deeds of one who follows innovation until he gives up that innovation.'" (Da'if) [1] قال رسول الله ص: لا یقبل الله لصاحبِ بدعهٍ صوماً و لا صلوهً و لا صدقهً و لا حجّاً و لا عُمرهً و لا جهاداً و...یخرج من الاسلامِ کما تخرج الشعره من العجین. [2] It was narrated that Hudhaifah said: "The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: 'Allah will not accept any fasting, prayer, charity, Hajj, 'Umrah, Jihad, or any other obligatory or voluntary action from a person who follows innovation (Bid'ah). He comes out of Islam like a hair pulled out of dough." [2] Now the question is was Umar ibn Khattab innovator??? He admitted that innovated in Islam many times: A.Innovation of Permitting Wine by Umar Umar said that mix wine and water then drink it’s Ok. It was narrated that Dawud said: "I asked Sa'eed: 'What is the drink that 'Umar bin Al-Khattab, regarded as permissible?' He said: 'That which has been cooked until two-third has gone and one-third is left.'" (Sahih)[3] http://sunnah.com/nasai/51 But If you mix wine and water it’s wine again. It was narrated from 'Amir bin Sa'd, from his father, that: The Prophet [sAW] said: "I forbid to you small amounts of whatever intoxicates in large amounts." (Hasan)[5] B. Innovation of Analogy By Umar In Quran and Sunnah there is nothing that show Analogy is permitted. But as Umar was very creative innovate Analogy. He wrote a letter to Abu Musa Ashari that read: الفهم الفهم فیما تلجلج فی صدرک مما لیس فی کتاب الله و لا سنه. ثم اعرف الاشباه و الامثال و قس الامور عند ذلک. Every thing that you imagine and there is nothing about it in Quran or Sunnah. Identify it’s similar and compare them together…[6] C. Innovation of Taravih 'Abdur Rahman bin 'Abdul Qari said, "I went out in the company of 'Umar bin Al-Khattab one night in Ramadan to the mosque and found the people praying in different groups. A man praying alone or a man praying with a little group behind him. So, 'Umar said, 'In my opinion I would better collect these (people) under the leadership of one Qari (Reciter) (i.e. let them pray in congregation!)'. So, he made up his mind to congregate them behind Ubai bin Ka'b. Then on another night I went again in his company and the people were praying behind their reciter. On that, 'Umar remarked, 'What an excellent Bid'a (i.e. innovation in religion) this is; but the prayer which they do not perform, but sleep at its time is better than the one they are offering.' He meant the prayer in the last part of the night. (In those days) people used to pray in the early part of the night."[7] D. Innovation of Forbidding Motte عمر: متعتان کانتا علی عهد رسول الله و انا احرمهما و اعاقب There was two permitted Motta at Prophet’s time. Today I forbid those and punish Perpetrators. Motta of women and Motta of Haj.[8] 2. Everyone who Conflict on Caliphate with Ali is Pagan Ibn Moqazeli narrated that "The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) said: Everyone who Conflict on Caliphate with Ali After me is Pagan [9] Sayuti in Musnad Fatima, page 34 and 35 says this is authentic. Muqadisy, is amongst the well-known scholars of Ahl Sunna, about him Dhahabi says: الإمام, العالم الحافظ الحجة. (Muqadisy) says: هذا حديث حسن عن أبي بكر. الأحاديث المختاره, ج 30 , ص 88 Also amongst the other great scholars of Ahl Sunna, such as Farhan Maliki, insists this narration is sahih and there is no doubt about this. In the book of Ra’a fi Kutub Al’aqaid, page 52, he says: First I thought this narration has no documentation (sanad), but after some research I realized: و هي ثابتة بأسانيد صحيحه و ذكري ؟؟؟ This has been recorded with authentic sanad, and there are no doubts in it. Also the narration which the teacher of Bukhari, Ibn Aby Shaybe has narrated which says: “The second Khalif said: even though I highly respect Zahra, I swear by the Lord of the words this respect will not prevent me from ordering: إن أمرتهم أن يحرق عليهم البيت. Burn the house with all those inside” [10] 3. Everyone who say Quran Suffice is Pagan إِنَّ الَّذِینَ یَکْفُرُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَ رُسُلِهِ وَ یُرِیدُونَ أَنْ یُفَرِّقُوا بَیْنَ اللَّهِ وَ رُسُلِهِ وَ یَقُولُونَ نُؤْمِنُ بِبَعْضٍ وَ نَکْفُرُ بِبَعْضٍ وَ یُرِیدُونَ أَنْ یَتَّخِذُوا بَیْنَ ذلِکَ سَبِیلًا أُولئِکَ هُمُ الْکافِرُونَ حَقًّا وَ أَعْتَدْنا لِلْکافِرِینَ عَذاباً مُهِیناً Quran 4:150 Indeed, those who disbelieve in Allah and His messengers and wish to discriminate between Allah and His messengers and say, "We believe in some and disbelieve in others," and wish to adopt a way in between - Quran 4:151 Those are the disbelievers, truly. And We have prepared for the disbelievers a humiliating punishment. The point is that Quran uses “truly” only about these disbelievers. But how Umar tried to discriminate between Allah and His messengers? Narrated 'Ubaidullah bin `Abdullah: Ibn `Abbas said, "When the ailment of the Prophet (pbuh) became worse, he said, 'Bring for me (writing) paper and I will write for you a statement after which you will not go astray.' But `Umar said, 'The Prophet is influenced by disease (means that he says delirium), and we have got Allah's Book with us and that is sufficient for us.' But the companions of the Prophet (pbuh) differed about this and there was a hue and cry. On that the Prophet (pbuh) said to them, 'Go away (and leave me alone). It is not right that you should quarrel in front of me."[11] But if you research about it you will find that in reality Umar said “Arrajul La Yajur” means “The man says delirium”. (12) And it shows irreverence of Umar to call the messenger of Allah by “The Man”. So Umar discriminate between Allah’s word and Allah's Messenger and said Muhammad delirium. وَمَا یَنطِقُ عَنِ الْهَوَى إِنْ هُوَ إِلَّا وَحْیٌ یُوحَى. Quran 53:3 Nor does he speak from [his own] inclination. Quran 53:4 It is not but a revelation revealed, 4. Anyone Who Abuse Fatima is Pagan إِنَّ الَّذِینَ یُؤْذُونَ اللَّهَ وَ رَسُولَهُ لَعَنَهُمُ اللَّهُ فِی الدُّنْیا وَ الْآخِرَهِ وَ أَعَدَّ لَهُمْ عَذاباً مُهِینا Quran 33:57 Indeed, those who abuse Allah and His Messenger - Allah has cursed them in this world and the Hereafter and prepared for them a humiliating punishment. قال رسول الله صلی الله علیه و اله: فاطمه بضعه منی من آذاها آذانی و من آذانی فقد آذی الله. Miswar b. Makhramah reported Allah's Messenger (pbuh) as saying: Fatima is a part of me. He in fact tortures me who tortures her.[13] Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: Allah's Messenger (pbuh) said, "Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry."[14] It has narrated too many times that Allah's Messenger said it. But Abu Bakr and Umar abused Fatima and killed her when she was pregnant. Narrated `Aisha: After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) asked Abu Bakr to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger (pbuh) had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger (pbuh). She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger (pbuh) which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property.[15] Abu Bakr lied that prophet’s property will not be inherited because Quran says: Quran 27:16: And Solomon inherited David. 19:5 And indeed, I fear the successors after me, and my wife has been barren, so give me from Yourself an heir19:6 Who will inherit me and inherit from the family of Jacob. انی اشهد الله و ملائکته انکما اسخطتمانی و ما ارضیتمانی و لئن لقیت النبی لاشکونکما الیه. [16] I take God and his Angels witness that you two made me angry and didn’t get my satisfaction and If I visit the prophet I will complain about you two. [17] فوجدت فاطمه علی ابی بکر فی ذلک فهجرته فلم تکلمه حتی توفیت...فلما توفیت دفنها زوجها علی لیلا و لم یوذن بها ابابکر و صلی علیها. So Abu Bakr refused to give anything of that to Fatima. So she became angry with Abu Bakr and kept away from him, and did not task to him till she died. She remained alive for six months after the death of the Prophet. When she died, her husband `Ali, buried her at night without informing Abu Bakr and he said the funeral prayer by himself.[18] ان فاطمه ماتت و هی واجده علی ابی بکر و عمر. Fatima died while she was very angry with Abu Bakr and Umar [19] So Abubakr and Umar made Fatima and Muhammad angry and abused them. Now You J 1) Sunan Ibn Majah vol۱page ۷۸ English reference: Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 50; Arabic reference: Book 1, Hadith 52 2) Sunan Ibn Majah vol۱page ۷۷ English reference: Vol. 1, Book 1, Hadith 49 ; Arabic reference: Book 1, Hadith 51 ۳) Sunan Baihaqi vol۸ page ۳۰۰ , ۳۰۱ - Sunan an-Nasa’i vol۸ page ۳۲۹ - Kanzul Ummal vol ۳ page ۱۰۹ , - ۱۰۱ Taisiral Vusul vol۲ page ۱۷۸ - Jame Masanid Abu Hanifa vol ۲ page ۱۹۱ ۴) Ahkam al-Quran vol۲ page ۵۶۵ ۵) Sunan ad-Darimi vol ۲ page ۱۱۳ - Sunan an-Nasa’i vol۸ page ۳۰۱ - Sunan Baihaqi vol۸ page ۲۹۶- Masabih as-Sunnah vol۲ page ۶۷ – Tarikh Khatib Baqdadi vol۳ page ۳۲۷ - Sahih at-Termezi vol۱ page ۳۴۲ Sunan an-Nasa'i 5608, In-book reference: Book 51, Hadith 70, English translation: Vol. 6, Book 51, Hadith 5611 ۶) Albaian Va at-Tabien - Jahiz ۲/۲۴ -- Sahih Muslim ۱ / ۲۴-۲۵ -- Sunan Baihaqi ۱۰/۱۵۰ -- Sharh of Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid ۱۲ /۹۰ – ۹۱ -- Aqaied al-Farid ibn Abdi Rabbih ۱/۸۶-۸۸ ۷) Sahih al-Bukhari Traweeh vol۲ / ۲۵۲ , Mota Malik vol۱ / ۱۱۴ , at_Traeef Ibn Tawoos page ۴۴۵ . ۸) Tafsir ar-Razi vol2/167 &vol3/201&202 , Sharh of Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid vol12/251&252 vol1/182, Tafsir al-Qartabi vol2/270, … ۹) Manqib ibn Maqazili page ۴۵ hadith ۶۸ - Yanabi al-Maviddah page ۹۷ – Kanz al Ummal vol ۱page ۲۰۹ hadith۱۰۴۶ – Manaqib ibn Shahr Ashub hadith ۳ page ۲۱۶. ۱۰) alMusnaf, Volume 8, page 572 ۱۱) Sahih al-Bukhari (Knowledge) & ۱/۲۲ Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal hadith ۲۹۹۲. Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 114,In-book reference: Book 3, Hadith 56 12) Musnad of Ahmad Hanbal vol 1 page 185 13) USC-MSA web (English) reference : Book 31, Hadith 6000, Arabic reference : Book 45, Hadith 6461 14) Sahih al-Bukhari hadith۳۴۲۷& ۳۴۸۳ - Musnad Ahmad ibn Hanbal vol4 page ۳۲۸ ,Sahih Muslim hatith 4483,Mustadrak Hakem vol۳page 159 Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3714, In-book reference : Book 62, Hadith 64, USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 5, Book 57, Hadith 61 15) Reference : Sahih al-Bukhari 3092, 3093, In-book reference : Book 57, Hadith 2, USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 4, Book 53, Hadith 325 16) Sahih al-Bukhari vol ۵ page۲۶ - Sahih Muslim vol ۴page۱۹۳ 17) Mawat al-Qorba Mawddat7 page 22 18) Reference: Sahih al-Bukhari 4240, 4241,In-book reference: Book 64, Hadith 278,USC-MSA web (English) reference : Vol. 5, Book 59, Hadith 546 19) Sharh of Nahjul Balagha by Ibn Abi al-Hadid vol 6 page 50
  20. Shaykhain And Shia Hadiths

    (bismillah) (salam) There has been quite some controversy over this with the akhbaris - who accept most of the hadiths collected by the qudama - and the modern hardcore rijalists who are unwilling to accept half the akhbaar. It is a question of the position of the shaikhain based on the pure and authentic tashayyu3 brought by our Imams. Now every shia is agreed that figures like Mu'awiyah and his supporters were renegades and that the Shaykhain are inferior to Imam Ali and did grave misdeeds. But there are hadiths which say the shaikhain were kafirs while others give the impression they were muslims. To solve this, I request both sides of the argument to bring hadiths for and against the motion of the shaykhain being kuffar, and examine their authenticity. Perhaps we can finally come to a sensible judgement about the two caliphs. (wasalam)
  21. The Knowledge Of The Four Caliphs

    (bismillah) (salam) As you know the claim is that the first three caliphs (Abu Bakr,Umar,Uthman) had more knowledge than Ameer al mumeneen Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as). Therefore we must follow them for they know the sunnah the best, whoever this video shows that only Ali Ibn Abi Talib (as) knew the sunnah and not the first three caliphs.
  22. Langar Incident

    (salam) How are you? This is incident which has been spreading in Facebook. This is unfortunately written it Urdu. So it will be hard for non-Urdu to understand this. I try to tell this incident in English. Actually it is an incident about Langar (food served to poor people) and everybody was getting food, but only one person asked for two people food, then langar distributor asked why you're asking for two people food. The person replied, " This is for the person who is sitting there, who is very poor and eating food with water. and then the distributor replied, "the langarpeople eating here it is due to this person (pointing to the poor person). And this is our Caliph Abu Bakar. I heard this was not Abu Bakr.. but Maula Ali (as). so I am asking Sunni and Shia brothers, share Hadith about this incident. so it is then confirmed. To Sunni: If It is Abu Bakr, then please provide Hadith with reference. To Shia: If it is Maula Ali (as) then please provide Hadith with reference. That would be enough for me. :) Thanks you so much, (wasalam)
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