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  1. AFAIK, the only sect which has hadith witnesses by Quran its truthfulness, is shia. Hadith al‐Thaqalayn "I leave to you the two weighty things; the Book of Allah and my household. You shall not go astray as long as you keep to them. They shall not separate until they shall come to me at the pond (in Paradise)" Quran witnesses the truthfuness of the hadith above. [Shakir 5:55] Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow. [Shakir 5:56] And whoever takes Allah and His messenger and those who believe for a guardian, then surely the party of Allah are they that shall be triumphant. All Muslim sects narrated traditions that Imam Ali had given his ring as charity while he was bowing in prayer and Allah praised him for that and revealed this verse. you can read more in "Life of Imam Ali bin Muhammad Al-Hadi", page 67/201
  2. salam bro i'm refering to verse 4:59. is ullil-amri a commonly used word among the arabs prior to its revelation?
  3. Difference between Sunni and Shi'a

    Salaam brother @MustafaMc, someone has proven before, that shias are mathematically correct. here's how. according to shia: islam = Quran + Ahlul Bait........(1) according to sunni, islam = Quran + Sunnah--------(2) subtarcting (1) from (2) (or (2) from (1), if u like), we have Sunnah = Ahlul Bait meaning the Sunnah of the Prophet is with Ahlul Bait. u can find info from kitab 'uyun akhbar Imam Ali Reza (as) vol 2, if i'm not mistaken, about a letter from imam ali al-hadi (as), as a response to a question from one of his followers, that Quran itself witnesses the correctness of shias during that time. maybe, more knowledgeable bro/sis can share that info here. having said that, i believe the world would be a better place to live in if every1 [Shakir 5:48] And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed; may Allah guides us all to the true path.
  4. Difference between Sunni and Shi'a

    3:19 ''Indeed, the religion in the sight of Allah is Islam. And those who were given the Scripture did not differ except after knowledge had come to them - out of jealous animosity between themselves. And whoever disbelieves in the verses of Allah , then indeed, Allah is swift in [taking] account.
  5. the third link contains: Uthman ibn Affan then suggested that the months begin with Muharram, in line with the established custom of the Arabs at that time. thanks anyway.
  6. kindly share the source, bro.
  7. who was the one that made the decision, what is to be the 1st, the 2nd, the 3rd and so on month?
  8. Question for Shia brothers

    salam bro, thanks for reminding. however, mine is quite well-founded, like so: There is no dispute among Muslim scholars, whether they are Sunni or Shi’a, concerning the fact that the Commander of Believers, ‘Ali (as), possessed a special transcript of the text of Qur’an which he had collected himself, and he was THE FIRST who compiled Qur’an. https://www.al-islam.org/shiite-encyclopedia-ahlul-bayt-dilp-team/belief-shia-in-completeness-quran#qur’-compiled-imam-‘ali he learnt it from his teacher. dear bro, i believe all information is already out there somewhere. the best thing to do is to listen to _all_ words and follow the best of them. may Allah guides us all to the right path.
  9. Question for Shia brothers

    1. personally i believe the Prophet tasked the compilation of the Quran into book form to imam ali (as). 2. i learned it thru a quranic teacher. i found the link below quite an interesting read. http://www.shiapen.com/questions/separating-quran-from-family.html
  10. Sunni brothers

    i was wondering, what great events could have taken place that triggered sahaba to:- 1. disbelieved, the first time. 2. then believed again 3. then disbelieved for the second time 4. then increased in their disbelief ghadir khum and the demise of the Prophet, are likely candidates, IMHO.
  11. salam bro/sis i believe, debating will in most cases, harden the heart and may create enmity. i do not wish that to happen, on my account. i would like to conclude this thread with: suffice to say, for those who seek the truth It is narrated from Jabir Ibne Abdullah Ansari that he said: When the Almighty Allah revealed the following verse on His Prophet: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the messenger and those possessing authority among you.” I said, ‘O Messenger of Allah! We know Allah and His Messenger. But who are the possessors of authority whose obedience Allah has accompanied with your obedience?’ He (S) explained, “They are my caliphs, O Jabir, and the Imams of the Muslims after me..........". It is narrated from Abu Baseer that His Eminence, Abu Ja’far Baqir (as) said regarding the statement of Allah, the Mighty and Sublime: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the messenger and those possessing authority among you.” Imams from the progeny of Ali and Fatima (as) till the day of Qiyamat.” It is narrated from His Eminence, Abu Abdillah Sadiq (as) that he said regarding the statement of the Almighty Allah: “O ye who believe! Obey Allah and obey the messenger and those possessing authority among you. It is especially mentioned about us…” source: https://www.al-islam.org/mikyalul-makarim-fee-fawaaid-ad-duaa-lil-qaim-vol-1/64-obedience-ulil-amr-those-authority for those bro/sis who think he/she is already on the straight path, let's race to good deeds. To Allah we all we will return and He will let us know that in which we differed. [Shakir 5:48] And We have revealed to you the Book with the truth, verifying what is before it of the Book and a guardian over it, therefore judge between them by what Allah has revealed, and do not follow their low desires (to turn away) from the truth that has come to you; for every one of you did We appoint a law and a way, and if Allah had pleased He would have made you (all) a single people, but that He might try you in what He gave you, therefore strive with one another to hasten to virtuous deeds; to Allah is your return, of all (of you), so He will let you know that in which you differed; ps: bro justAmuslim, sorry if i offended u in any way.
  12. [Shakir 8:20] O you who believe! obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn back from Him while you hear. 2 entities 1 OBEY command [Shakir 47:33] O you who believe! obey Allah and obey the Messenger, and do not make your deeds of no effect. 2 entities 2 OBEY commands [Shakir 4:80] Whoever obeys the Messenger, he indeed obeys Allah, so essentially, the Quran is telling us, it's immaterial whether the number of entities = number of the verb OBEY. hence the need to obey ulil-amri, just as we need to obey the prophet. the argument for the need of a separate OBEY for ulil amri in verse 4:59 for it to be unconditional obedience, is null and VOID, IMO. this is only for those who seek the truth. for the rest of us, "fastabiqul khoiraat...." wassalam.
  13. haha...we are getting in circles here - just one of those fabricated ahadith by ummayyads/abbassids to justify their kingdom. but sufficient to disprove: people only ask what they don't know the fact remains, they did asked about something they had experienced (hence knowledge) almost every months sorry bro, just one of those fabricated ahadith by ummayyads/abbassids to justify their kingdom.
  14. [Shakir 8:20] O you who believe! obey Allah and His Messenger and do not turn back from Him while you hear. using the same logic as u used above, absolute obedience is hence only for Allah? u forgot the trailing, "if you should believe in Allah and the Last Day". A question one might ask, why not "if you should believe in Allah and Rasul"? were they (some of O you who have believed) had any issue with obeying the Prophet? or doubts whether this is a command from Allah? maybe some1 with great knowledge with computer programming (IF statement) able to transform this portion of ayat into IF statements and see whether it's a green-light to differ or a rebuke to dissenting voices. shias believe obedience to ulil amri is by the command of Allah as per 4:59. they wouldn't lead us to hell fire. let's agree to disagree here. same as above there's a discussion on it, quite some time ago. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235016692-verse-459-ulil-amr/?page=36
  15. the ahadith u posted tell only as to why the verse was supposed to be revealed, nothing about companions asking who are these ulil amri. let me put it this way - to counter ur assertion that people (sahaba) don't ask what they (sahaba) already know. 1. sometimes i asked my son, what does 2+2 = to? does this mean i don't know the answer? obviously i do know the answer. 2. (a) every month, sahaba will see new moon. they knew about new moon and yet they still asked the Prophet. the proof that they asked is quran 2:189. (b) there are only 2 instances of ulil amri in Quran. it's quite a stretch to believe sahaba knew who are these ulil amri when the verse 4:59 and verse 4:83 were revealed without asking the Prophet. so, sahaba already knew who are these ulil amri, as the logical explanation for the absence of relevant ahadith in sunni hadith collection, fails miserably, if i were to be honest with myself.
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