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  1. Why Must A God Be Just ?

    That theory is focused on earlier times, which is a total guess, but what about now? Even for the sake of argument we accept Nietzsche's theory, it's 2015 now, why are overwhelming folks in the billions still believe in a supernatural being? Atheists are in the overwhelming minority. The above has no issues, the answer is 'Yes'. If you believe God is evil then the above will be true, there are 'Satanists' that believe that. If you believe God is good then 'God creates the definition of Good hence anything He does or doesn't do is Good. If you believe God is Evil then 'God creates the definition of Evil hence anything He does or doesn't do is Evil. If you believe God is Just then 'God creates the definition of Just hence anything He does or doesn't do is Just. If you believe God is Unjust then 'God creates the definition of Unjust hence anything He does or doesn't do is Unjust. All above scenarios are logically consistent, it all depends on what your belief of God is. --- Regarding God being Merciful and Just, that's a logical contradiction that's difficult to reconcile.
  2. Do you have the hadith where Askari vouched the first 2 ambassadors? Well, the masses did accept Imam Ali later. There are many theories as to why the masses didn't accept him earlier (him being young was one). Any idea how many 'shias' existed around this time? I think the naivety is assuming same rules apply to the concept of Prophethood and Imamat, because they don't. Hence all prophet examples.
  3. Another Gang Rape In India

    A sexually deprived conservative environment meets modern way of life which triggers their sexuality. India going through a transition to modernity is becoming incompatible with folks with old mentality. To put it in layman's terms, many men did not have access to seeing sexuality with ease in this manner (internet, porn, women wearing revealing clothing, sexier movies, etc.) which triggers this behavior in some men who are sexually frustrated. In time when the transition is complete the rapes will go down significantly. India is not even in the top 3, US/Sweden is higher (go figure). Every country has it's own reasons. Anyways, rapes is as old as humans, every country has rapes, it's not going anywhere for a while.
  4. Why Must A God Be Just ?

    I agree with above except the part where you believe theists are forcing an illogical theory regarding a supernatural being. I think both sides, atheists and theists have valid arguments. Theist's belief in supernatural existed prior to any of the holy books that were revealed, hence this theory is as old as humans. This supernaturally theory comes from plethora of places, not just one. You can go back in history and look at isolated tribes that had no contact or influence from the outside world believe in a supreme being/s. Why is that? Why does this theory/belief pop up everywhere? True. Two points: Even if we put religion aside, a theist can make a consistent argument that God created everything, He creates the definition of 'just', hence anything He does or doesn't do is just. The 'Mercifully Just' issue is an old one, and I will admit that there's a logical inconsistency. You have a valid point with that argument. I'm sure after reading that response you will realize I'm not hiding behind an Islamic curtain. I am very unbiased. I believe an argument, from start to finish, has to be consistent for a specific topic.
  5. Another Gang Rape In India

    Conservatism mentality clashing with modernism.
  6. The content is irrelevant to my question. He started at 5, do the math. I went through the narrations, is there a narration where 12th Imam is declaring his 4 deputies? But what was the response of the Muslim masses at that time? Are there any references as to why the masses rejected 12th Imam as an Imam? I am pretty sure age had a factor because back then the elders were considered highly.
  7. Why Must A God Be Just ?

    You totally missed the point. No. 'We' is subjective, God isn't. Even using your extreme scenario, if God defined rape as just then Muslims would consider it just also. When you say 'How do you know?', you mean absolute truth? If so, we don't know, we believe. Most religious folks think they know, it's just their emotions talking. But from an Islamic perspective, if a person is a Muslim, he/she believes that God is just because logically God dictates the definition (ex. just, mercy, etc.) - so anything He does or doesn't do is just. I do not believe every information in or beyond this universe will make logical sense, we are too limited to attain absolute logic. To believe that humans can objectively determine whether every aspect of existence is logical or not is erroneous. We do our best to comprehend, and are successful to a degree, but we will never reach absolute status. To your second part, the coping is simple to understand, as I said, if a person believes every action/inaction of God is Just because He defines 'just' (regardless to our opinion, which is subjective), then there is no contradiction.
  8. Why Must A God Be Just ?

    The answer to your question is 'yes'. The best evidence is in the Quran, the story of Moses and Kidhr. Khidr action's were considered unjust by Moses (a prophet), yet according to God it was just. Hence, the only logical definition for a person that believes God is Just is that God defines justice. Not out the window, it becomes subjective. It would be illogical for the creation to dictate the definitions for the Creator, it should be the other way around. It's not really 'might makes right', it's more like 'creator is the decider' (doesn't rhyme as well as yours). To your second part, logic is in a way subjective. Why Create? Is there a logical reason behind it?
  9. 34 state "anti terrorist coalition"

    Why is Pakistan joining Saudi? Always been a trash country.
  10. Thanks for so many narrations, I'm gonna go over it with time. So the hadith narrated by 12th Imam above was when he was 4-5 years old? I'm having difficulties imagining a baby giving orders/lectures. Do you blame the people if they weren't willing to accept a baby to lead?
  11. Why Must A God Be Just ?

    Not a dilemma for me. The Euthyphro's dilemma was, "Is the pious loved by the gods because it is pious, or is it pious because it is loved by the gods?" The question again is 'who' decides what pious is? From an Islamic perspective God decides what pious is hence the answer is 'pious is loved because it is loved by God'. From a theological perceptive, if the Creator dictates the definition of 'just' then what he does is Just, irrelevant to what we think. Hence the problem. If God exists, we can't define 'just' on His behalf. It is He who will define the word.
  12. The 12th Imam was 5 years old he appointed 4 deputies before his occultation. The 4 deputies are: Uthman ibn Sa’id al-Asadi († 873-80) Abu Jafar Muhammad ibn Uthman ibn Sa’id al-Asadi († 917) Abul Qasim Husayn ibn Ruh al-Nawbakhti († 938) Abul Hasan Ali ibn Muhammad al-Samarri († 941) I am looking for hadith that are directly narrated by the 5 individuals above.
  13. The Late Imam Khomeini/fatwa

    I made a post yesterday it got deleted. Anyways, no big deal.
  14. The Late Imam Khomeini/fatwa

    So a mod deleted my message without any reasons. Some things never change on this forum.
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