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  1. For argument sake, let's take your word. Your world is Data. observation, tangible stuff. Based on all the date you have collected. Let's not waste time finding a Common animal ancestor,( you can spend the time and energy, if you like), its of no consequence, but lets see from what you have from " Science" what does it tell you, how a human should live his/her life.Otherwise all the technical stuff is only good for toasters, microwave, cars and jets and new buildings...starwars or some corporation mining the material form a an asteroid or looking for aliens ... What can Humanity benefit from these findings...Are you willing to live by the Data, Observations form the Natural world and their conclusions. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235052378-the-delusions-of-atheists/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3098858
  2. https://www.bethinking.org/does-science-disprove-god/the-delusion-of-atheists Add the anthropomorphic view, you have the neo darwinist/ neo atheists who are bent on using the "Wishful Science" as a counter to the Church. If the most learned in the specific field of study, have little knowledge on other subjects they are trying to make policy decisions, and an anthropomorphic view and many possible misunderstandings. The layman Atheists/Agnostics are taking advantage of this to further their cause. We can be overwhelmed by their constant push, with the banner/flag of "wishful science or half baked theories or partial truths" . If the proponents of "Wishful Science" are really true to their claim" - why do they not follow the information they have gathered from Current Knowledge? What does Evolution, whatever their definition/concept is - asks them to do in their life. How should they live their lives, to stay physically, mentally, socially fit to succeed/adapt. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235054035-what-if-god-was-fictitious/?page=2&tab=comments#comment-3096320 The fact that they who support these ideas just to escape the responsibility and accountability implies that if there were asked to follow the finding and outcome in real practical life, they will abandon this support and find some other reason to oppose Divine Religion or Nature/Science. Any thoughts from the Atheist/Agnostic on why you do not follow what you preach.? If you can't explain or articulate your view of life, world vision based on what you preach- Claim stand corrected that you are using "Wishful Science" as an excuse to have a life free of obligation/accountability= Its all an excuse. Its just fluff, no substance to the claim. We layman, are fully aware that you will avoid this kind of engagement, and will only engage in certain topic , attacking/creating doubt, regarding the "Nature of the Cause " but this is becoming very obvious. Because no one has denied their limits, no one has denied that they or what's around them does not exist. No Learned man of Science has denied limits. So that fact that we are the effect, Cause has been established. So, this mixing of "The existence of Cause" which is undeniable. with who and what is the nature or are the attributes is reaching a point of diminishing return. Let's have a meaningful discussion on your views here...instead of the usual drive-by's.(Which create a credibility issue)
  3. Paul Davies in his Templeton lecture said: Davies maintains that the theory is not testable, not even in any foreseeable future; and for this reason, M-theory gets a lot of flak from within the science community. John Lennox, who is Professor of Mathematics at Oxford, comments: https://www.bethinking.org/does-science-disprove-god/the-delusion-of-atheists
  4. FYI, I have mentioned this before, even as a layman. We do understand basic logic...and can connect the dots . What is obvious us is that they deny the judeo-christian description of god. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235052378-the-delusions-of-atheists/ Here is about Carls views on In another description of his view on the concept of God, Sagan emphatically wrote: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carl_Sagan#Personal_life_and_beliefs
  5. Terminology can be very confusing and effective. Miracle a concept of something that can't be fully explained / who can be described like https://home.cern/about/physics/early-universe
  6. "But stars and galaxies do not tell the whole story. Astronomical and physical calculations suggest that the visible universe is only a tiny amount (4%) of what the universe is actually made of. A very large fraction of the universe, in fact 26%, is made of an unknown type of matter called "dark matter". Unlike stars and galaxies, dark matter does not emit any light or electromagnetic radiation of any kind, so that we can detect it only through its gravitational effects. An even more mysterious form of energy called “dark energy” accounts for about 70% of the mass-energy content of the universe. Even less is known about it than dark matter. This idea stems from the observation that all galaxies seems to be receding from each other at an accelerating pace, implying that some invisible extra energy is at work" https://home.cern/about/physics/early-universe ***** https://mars.nasa.gov/mer/home/ Imagine this ting, tries to figure out its maker, through its senses? will it ever understand our reality?
  7. https://www.al-islam.org/tradition-myrobalan-fruit-hadith-al-halila-imam-jafar-al-sadiq/hadith
  8. Ok, Fine,' "You" and "I" used in general sense, between two people. I will use myself as a example. If I were to ask someone, i acknowledge that in do not know, i have limits and i am inferior to that person" Don;t read it literal. Point is the fact that I asked a person who as the same capabilities as me. - Indicates in this context here, in this thread is that I am no the god.I have limits. that person is also limited, we both have limits. We cant be unlimited. if we have limits, there is one without limits. ( we ask a lot of thing to other people to explain or learn form in life) but in this context that you claim to be not a believer in god. Your acknowledgement is its self a proof on you. I could say you are been clever here what does this mean, anyway. if i were to point out something else in you last comment, you will say i am been clever. I want to show you what you are really saying. Not trying to show superiority or been clever, just an observation that needs to be pointed to you You do acknowledge your limits, this is what you are arguing against. You are asking us to proof, something to you, that you already acknowledge. If you were god, you would not need to sort it out. Your acknowledging your limits, your search is indicative of something. What that is for you to find out, but one thing is for sure it is above and beyond you Start are new thread, stick to it, ask all the question, and learn and teach - find someone who has knowledge here. ( Not me, i am a layman) instead of popping up here and there with the riddles and questions. we are not experts, so you may not get the correct answers. we are laypeople. Find someone who knows and do not leave that thread till you have asked all the question.
  9. First of all, this entitlement mentality is not going to help you. I am entitled to an explanation. Second, No one owes you and explanation. Its your life, you figure it out. You and I have the same capabilities, by saying prove it to me, You are inherently acknowledging your inferiority/limits. That alone is sufficient for you to stop and reflect. We can point you to stuff, but its you who will make the final decision. You have limits, you did not create yourself or whats around you, so something/someone did. Since you are a creation, as everything around you and you yourself(physical systems are guided), you must receive guidance. Find that guidance... ذَٰلِكَ الْكِتَابُ لَا رَيْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًى لِلْمُتَّقِينَ {2} [Shakir 2:2] This Book, there is no doubt in it, is a guide to those who guard (against evil). [Pickthal 2:2] This is the Scripture whereof there is no doubt, a guidance unto those who ward off (evil). [Yusufali 2:2] This is the Book; in it is guidance sure, without doubt, to those who fear Allah;
  10. Sunnis And Shias- Can We Just Unite...?

    We live in this world, and have social and political unity/alliances and peace treaties with other humans with different nationalities, Way of life(Religion) . We coexist. But for Muslims, only social unity is not a long term solution. Can’t have political unity against an outside enemy, when we will turn against each other, after using each other for our own benefit. It just doesn't work or Once we come across an inflection point. We all go back to our Beliefs and politicians play with it. i.e. Iraq, Syria . So, to say, we are doing this and that together , great, no one is against it. Everything except the most important issue our Religion. I read comments like we work together and we hang out together, or help each other. That is not what we are talking about here or against it. If people think that talking about this is going to create more problems, so keep it to the side. What exactly, is out long term plan? This is a place to have an intellectual, academic, dispassionate discussion. I am a layman, I have no knowledge, I post here after reading a topic. so, stuff in my mind is critiqued and I increase my knowledge. I have no ability to teach others. But at the same time, we have some intellect and some basic knowledge about our faith, not much in fiqh or hadith or quranic. But enough to formulate a stance on faith issues. And we can read and understand and connect the dots in a logical way regarding history. So, at least in faith matters, we have got to learn from each other. All we have /know is through, Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Muhammad al Mustafa, (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) the best of the creation, the best example to follow for you, the one who has more right on you then you yourself. People have different understandings about, the best of the creation and it translates into how they understand Islam. If we do not get this issue resolved. We will be responsible for misguiding and loosing the young ones other ideologies. they may become Faithless individuals, because WE did not correct the wrong that was instituted by the elite/powerful for their benefit to exploit the people to take/ stay in power. Some of them are not interested, and will block all efforts as their kingdoms, and Presidencies will be in trouble. We will loose a generation of so, But People will find the truth, in time and there will be an islamic revolution in the Middle East, may be in phases but it will, to much information is out there, like the one in 1979. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235006908-sunnis-and-shias-can-we-just-unite/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-3097753 So, what would be as issue in getting to a proper understanding here, Layman
  11. Because your god(self/mind) keeps reminding you of its limits. It keeps you in search of "there is no god, but The God".
  12. Sunnis And Shias- Can We Just Unite...?

    All the above activity, but this( post below ) is not possible http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235006908-sunnis-and-shias-can-we-just-unite/?page=11&tab=comments#comment-3098307 Your answer was I responded to you, "Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Muhammad al Mustafa, (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) the best of the creation, the best example to follow for you, the one who has more right on you then you yourself. Is off limits to your conversations? its a deal breaker. So, who's Sunnah are you using/ discussing/ following as a role model in formulating your plans for the Caliphate? It seems like its a political meeting, for political power struggle. ***** Above should be clear enough. Lets talk about, this notion of Social Unity, Political Unity, which is foreign to Islam. As Islam is not a personal relationship with Ones version of god. Its a way of like, which incorporates, individual, social, economic political aspects. So we do not have a concept of Social Unity, ot political Unity and lets leave the religion alone for now. This is a secular concept. Your stated goals for the Social & Political unity is the Common enemy. This is a foreign playbook, that we do not follow. يَا أَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ آمَنُوا أَطِيعُوا اللَّهَ وَأَطِيعُوا الرَّسُولَ وَأُولِي الْأَمْرِ مِنْكُمْ ۖ فَإِنْ تَنَازَعْتُمْ فِي شَيْءٍ فَرُدُّوهُ إِلَى اللَّهِ وَالرَّسُولِ إِنْ كُنْتُمْ تُؤْمِنُونَ بِاللَّهِ وَالْيَوْمِ الْآخِرِ ۚ ذَٰلِكَ خَيْرٌ وَأَحْسَنُ تَأْوِيلًا {59} [Pickthal 4:59] O ye who believe! Obey Allah, and obey the messenger and those of you who are in authority; and if ye have a dispute concerning any matter, refer it to Allah and the messenger if ye are (in truth) believers in Allah and the Last Day. That is better and more seemly in the end. So, let come to the Messenger, and understand what is our true Religion. I mentioned it Page 4 of this Thread,we are at page 11. with a lot of distraction(s) in between. http://www.shiachat.com/forum/topic/235006908-sunnis-and-shias-can-we-just-unite/?page=4&tab=comments#comment-3097753 Read the post above the one posted here, on page 4. Read and understand this, and review the life to see what was the Common enemy at that time, it was not a foreign enemy. Follow the Sunnah of the Truthful. Abu Sa'íd al-Khudari reports that one day we were sitting waiting for the Prophet Muhammad (s.a.w.) to come out. He came to us while we saw that the strap of his shoe was broken; he gave it to 'Ali to repair. Then he said, "One of you will wage war for the interpretation (ta'wíl) of the Qur'an just as I waged war for its revelation (tanzíl)." Abu Bakr said, "Am I the one?" The Prophet said, "No." Then 'Umar said, "Am I the one?" The Prophet said, "No, but the one who is repairing the shoe."15 https://www.al-islam.org/shiism-imamate-and-wilayat-sayyid-muhammad-rizvi/knowledge-ahlul-bayt#6-concept-al-quran-natiq ***** You can have your plan an work it, try working with GCC and OPEC, if you ever succeed here, go for a Islamic Union.( social, political, economic, go for common currency) as a start. Fix the problem within, before going after the External Common enemy. Another thing, we did not have any such deals here , that "Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Muhammad al Mustafa, (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) the best of the creation, the best example to follow for you, the one who has more right on you then you yourself. Is off limits to our conversations? So, you have said you peace and given your plan, let us have an academic discussion.
  13. Sunnis And Shias- Can We Just Unite...?

    Are you implying that there are people who fully comprehend the status of the Mawla.Muhammad al Mustafa(peace be upon him and his progeny) and deny it because they cant accept the Wilayat of Imam Ali(as)? You make a good story but not able to communicate, in these meetings look at all the activities you described. You did not answer who's Sunnah are you discussing and following in the actual meetings, I am sure there is no chaos in your operational planning room for global caliphate and how to deal with the CE. This in not done on wallways and walkways or in allies correct?
  14. Sunnis And Shias- Can We Just Unite...?

    Seal of the Prophets, Prophet Muhammad al Mustafa, (peace be upon him and his pure progeny) the best of the creation, the best example to follow for you, the one who has more right on you then you yourself. Is off limits to your conversations? its a deal breaker. So, who's Sunnah are you using/ discussing/ following as a role model in formulating your plans for the Caliphate? It seems like its a political meeting, for political power struggle.