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  1. Imam Ali Couldn't Even Get 40 Followers?

    Ugly Jinn, either you're being purposely thick-headed or you just have no idea what you're saying. The question you are asking isn't one that calls for an answer based in logic. The question itself is twisted in such a way that it can't be answered the way YOU want it to be unless we take the viewpoint you are assuming. You are searching for an explanation rooted in psychology, not logic. You're asking a question about the basis of the human character, about human nature, not about the logic of events and history as it happened. If we are assuming for the sake of discussion here that the Prophet did command the people to take Ali as their maula in Ghadeer Khum - if we assume this happened and we are only asking why people would disobey this command later on - then we are searching for the answer to a question all of humanity throughout all of time has failed to answer. We do not know why humans tend towards choosing their short-term satisfaction over their long-term wellbeing. We do not know why so many Lebanese can recognize the rampant corruption in their government and complain about it every day but still not rise up and do anything about it. We do not know why so many followers of all the different prophets failed to follow them, disobeyed them, rejected them even after seeing their miracles. We do not know why Muslims today can admit to you that they believe in the necessity of prayer or fasting or proper hijab or not shaking hands with the opposite sex or what-have-you EVEN AS they fail to meet these standards. These common, irrational qualities of human nature: we DO NOT KNOW WHY THEY ARE. We can only speculate as to the psychological reasons behind such behaviors. I repeat, we can only speculate. Which is why I tell you that all the examples given above, all the parallels drawn between the event you find illogical and the others you accept, all the cases that you reject because they don't explain why in the context of this specific event - they are not logical proofs of why Imam Ali (as) is in fact leader. They are simply there to illustrate to you that the question you are asking is irrelevant to the truth of Imam Ali's leadership - that the question you are asking is one that has been around since the beginning of time. Why is human nature so maddeningly difficult to understand? We do not know. We can only speculate. The examples given are there simply to illustrate that you shouldn't be so surprised. Yep, I don't get it either. Something was fundamentally wrong with something in history when 99% of Moses' followers disobeyed him; when Jesus' followers rewrote history to fit their desires and created whole new bibles and churches and doctrines and trinities; when people still scarred by the Holocaust turned around and did the same to another people; when the infallible, amazing, perfect companions of the Prophet (s) who loved him dearly and listened to his every word left him standing while praying, or disregarded his order to shave their heads, or failed to stand strong at the battle of Uhud, or called him crazy at his deathbed and refused to bring him what he asked for. There's a lot I don't get. Which is why I question events based on how they happened, not on how plausible or reasonable their catalysts' actions were. You are looking for "textual evidence regarding the turn of events for this topic", but what does that even mean? What are you looking for? You're looking for an explanation as to why so many did not rise and support Imam Ali (as) if the Prophet (s) explicitly stated that they should. What do you expect the textual evidence to consist of, ahadith detailing the sad aspects of human nature and specifically stating which ones made people disobey? People are different. No one can tell you the exact reasons they choose to do, or not do, certain things. Which is why, in this case, your question is irrelevant and we can only answer by showing you that your surprise at human nature is unwarranted, through examples of other such instances of "odd" human missteps you and we both believe in. What you should be debating, what you should be asking, is instead whether or not the Prophet (s) did in fact appoint Imam Ali (as) as his successor; what the sequence of events looked like; how things happened. For such things, logical arguments exist. For reasons as to why human nature is the way it is, there is no single logical answer. Once you answer those questions of what really happened, the rest doesn't matter. The people may have been jinn for all we care, their response doesn't matter to us - if the Prophet (s) appointed Imam Ali (as) as successor, their obedience or disobedience doesn't change the fact. No answer will satisfy you if you only want to know why people disobeyed - as you have shown above already - whether we say it is because they were dispersed, or because they didn't know what was happening until later, or because they disagreed but didn't want to lose their lives over it, or because they were munafiqeen, or because they just plain didn't feel up to it: because these are fluid possibilities of human psychology and not factual proofs of Imam Ali's leadership. Just think about it with an open mind. Just ponder.
  2. Is it just me or is this really oddly coincidental, the first paragraph in particular (especially considering what @RiseOrDie said before about the Olympics)... http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/2012/mar/12/london-olympics-security-lockdown-london?fb=native&CMP=FBCNETTXT9038 "As a metaphor for the London Olympics, it could hardly be more stark. The much-derided "Wenlock" Olympic mascot is now available in London Olympic stores dressed as a Metropolitan police officer. For £10.25 you, too, can own the ultimate symbol of the Games: a member of by far the biggest and most expensive security operation in recent British history packaged as tourist commodity. Eerily, his single panoptic-style eye, peering out from beneath the police helmet, is reminiscent of the all-seeing eye of God so commonly depicted at the top of Enlightenment paintings. In these, God's eye maintained a custodial and omniscient surveillance on His unruly subjects far below on terra firma."
  3. Did Aishah Remove Her Hijab...

    Maybe she didn't take off her hijab during combat, but she definitely didn't wear it in front of some men she claimed had become mahram because, as grown men, they had been breastfed by her sister, for example.
  4. Curious, Waiting for HIM: what books or articles are you recommending?
  5. It Is Both Sexist And Wrong To Have A Food Subforu

    How odd. You're the sexist one here - you think traditionally masculine jobs are worthy of our admiration and yet traditionally feminine jobs are degrading. You speak as if women who are housewives do not contribute to society, as if their job raising kids and cooking isn't difficult, as if they're below us and deserve being scoffed at. As if the job of raising the next generation isn't important. So being a housewife isn't an achievement, eh? Of course, the only actions worthy of being quoted as "achievements throughout history" are those men have traditionally done, right?
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  7. Syrian Opposition Wants Assad Regime Fall

    But they are Zaidis, not Ja'fariyyah/Ithna-Ashariyya.
  8. [LAWS]Halal Or Haraam Meat

    No, we can't eat meat of the People of the Book... That's another Sunni rule. The ayah that refers to their food being halal for us (ta3amohom 7illun lakom) is meant to include grains and such only. Sunnis extend that to include meat. We only eat halal, Muslim-killed meat over which has been said Bismillah and that has been killed the Islamic way.
  9. http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/22/world/middleeast/22bahrain.html?src=un&feedurl=http%3A%2F%2Fjson8.nytimes.com%2Fpages%2Fworld%2Fmiddleeast%2Findex.jsonp Are there any Bahrainis here or people who could otherwise speak of the reality right now, and before the uprisings, perhaps refute the above article? I find it difficult to believe, that the Shias were exaggerating and the situation in Bahrain is "not as bad as Yemen and Libya" and there is cultural and financial flourishing and all that. This article makes it seem like the Shias are the bad guys. Also, what's the situation like right now? Are the people still protesting, or are they worn out and spent? The news now seem to mostly just focus on last week's events, nothing of anything big going on right now.
  10. [LAWS]Halal Or Haraam Meat

    This is the Sunni view (generally), but our maraje' disagree and say you can only eat haram meat in the extreme situation that you're about to die. I'm in this position where all the Muslims around me eat haram meat (I'm the only Shia) and I am a pescetarian. It's not a big deal, but as said before if you can buy a lot and put it away it'll last for a long time and you can plan well ahead to save the money for this.
  11. Foremost Are The Foremost

    Tafsir al-Mizan (if you understand Arabic): Þæáå ÊÚÇáì: «æ ÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÇáÓÇÈÞæä» ÇáÐí íÕáÍ Ãä íÝÓÑ Èå ÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÇáÃæá Þæáå ÊÚÇáì: «Ýãäåã ÙÇáã áäÝÓå æ ãäåã ãÞÊÕÏ æ ãäåã ÓÇÈÞ ÈÇáÎíÑÇÊ ÈÅÐä Çááå»: ÝÇØÑ: 32¡ æ Þæáå: «æ áßá æÌåÉ åæ ãæáíåÇ ÝÇÓÊÈÞæÇ ÇáÎíÑÇÊ»: ÇáÈÞÑÉ: 148¡ æ Þæáå: «ÃæáÆß íÓÇÑÚæä Ýí ÇáÎíÑÇÊ æ åã áåÇ ÓÇÈÞæä»: ÇáãÄãäæä: 61. ÝÇáãÑÇÏ ÈÇáÓÇÈÞíä - ÇáÃæá - Ýí ÇáÂíÉ ÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÈÇáÎíÑÇÊ ãä ÇáÃÚãÇá¡ æ ÅÐÇ ÓÈÞæÇ ÈÇáÎíÑÇÊ ÓÈÞæÇ Åáì ÇáãÛÝÑÉ æ ÇáÑÍãÉ ÇáÊí ÈÅÒÇÆåÇ ßãÇ ÞÇá ÊÚÇáì: «ÓÇÈÞæÇ Åáì ãÛÝÑÉ ãä ÑÈßã æ ÌäÉ»: ÇáÍÏíÏ: 21¡ ÝÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÈÇáÎíÑÇÊ åã ÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÈÇáÑÍãÉ æ åæ Þæáå: «æ ÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÇáÓÇÈÞæä». æ Þíá: ÇáãÑÇÏ ÈÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÇáËÇäí åæ ÇáÃæá Úáì ÍÏ Þæáå: ÃäÇ ÃÈæ ÇáäÌã æ ÔÚÑí ÔÚÑí. æ Þæáå: «æ ÇáÓÇÈÞæä ÇáÓÇÈÞæä» ãÈÊÏà æ ÎÈÑ¡ æ Þíá: ÇáÃæá ãÈÊÏà æ ÇáËÇäí ÊÃßíÏ¡ æ ÇáÎÈÑ Þæáå: «ÃæáÆß ÇáãÞÑÈæä». æ áåã Ýí ÊÝÓíÑ ÇáÓÇÈÞíä ÃÞæÇá ÃÎÑ ÝÞíá: åã ÇáãÓÇÑÚæä Åáì ßá ãÇ ÏÚÇ Çááå Åáíå¡ æ Þíá: åã ÇáÐíä ÓÈÞæÇ Åáì ÇáÅíãÇä æ ÇáØÇÚÉ ãä ÛíÑ ÊæÇä¡ æ Þíá: åã ÇáÃäÈíÇÁ(Úáíåã ÇáÓáÇã) áÃäåã ãÞÏãæÇ Ãåá ÇáÃÏíÇä¡ æ Þíá: åã ãÄãä Âá ÝÑÚæä æ ÍÈíÈ ÇáäÌÇÑ ÇáãÐßæÑ Ýí ÓæÑÉ íÓ æ Úáí (Úáíå ÇáÓáÇã) ÇáÓÇÈÞ Åáì ÇáÅíãÇä ÈÇáäÈí(Õáì Çááå Úáíå æÂáå æÓáã) æ åæ ÃÝÖáåã æ Þíá: åã ÇáÓÇÈÞæä Åáì ÇáåÌÑÉ¡ æ Þíá: åã ÇáÓÇÈÞæä Åáì ÇáÕáæÇÊ ÇáÎãÓ¡ æ Þíá: åã ÇáÐíä ÕáæÇ Åáì ÇáÞÈáÊíä¡ æ Þíá: åã ÇáÓÇÈÞæä Åáì ÇáÌåÇÏ¡ æ Þíá ÛíÑ Ðáß. If not, the gist of what is being said is that you should look at surat Fater aya 32, surat al-Baqara aya 148, and surat al-Mu'minun aya 61. And the idea of "the foremost" includes those who are foremost in good deeds, for if they are so they are then foremost in blessings, forgiveness, mercy, etc. as God said in surat al-Hadid aya 21. There is some explanation of grammar which includes the possibility that "wal-sabiqoon al-sabiqoon" may be the beginning of a sentence with reinforcement of the word by its repetition, a sentence that continues with the next aya "'ulaa'ika lmuqarraboon". It has been said that they are the ones who race towards all that Allah calls towards, and it has been said that they are those who race towards 'iman (true faith, belief as opposed to simple submission known as Islam) and obedience. It has been said that they are the prophets (as) for they are at the forefront of the people of religion, and it has been said that they are the believer of the family of Pharaoh and Habib al-Najjar of surat Ya-Sin and Ali (as) the foremost in believing the Prophet and the best of them. It has also been said that they are the first in hijra, or the first in praying the five prayers, or the ones who prayed to both qiblas, or the first in jihad. And more has been said. Please forgive my rough translation, it was done quickly and isn't very precise but inshaAllah the idea is there.
  12. Freedom Of Religion

    I agree completely, but does anyone know whether there's a religious basis for what goes on in Iran, say to the Bahais as opposed to other minorities? Are we only expected to treat Ahlul Kitab well, or is an Islamic government also expected to respect atheists, Buddhists, Bahais, Hindus, etc?
  13. Chips..

    Cheese can be haram? First time I hear such a thing...
  14. WASalam Sister how are you

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