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  1. It's not my fault that your beloved Imam Bukhari and other Sunni scholars narrated that Bibi Fatima (sa) died while she was angry with the Caliphs. If you want to accuse someone then it has to be them. But since you are neither at the level of Bukhari or other reputed Sunni scholars, your deceitful words hold NO value here. So you can take your bunch of lies elsewhere but if you are genuinely here to learn then as requested earlier, please present Quranic verse(s) which supports Abu Bakr's narrative about the inheritance of the Prophets.
  2. 1) Lol... You have a Sahih narration right in front of you acknowledged by your own scholars about the threat by Umar and what do you do? You simply deny it and say that nothing happened. Wow. The greatness of Sunnism at full sight here. Deny the facts and claim to be the guided people. 2) She was satisfied? I am not sure if you are just ignorant or a liar. Read your Sahih books and come back here with your response. She died angry with the Caliphs and there is a complete sermon which she delivered where she ripped the answers provided by the caliphs to pieces. Btw, last time I checked being angry with someone doesn't equate to being satisfied with their answer. 3) I asked you a question which you have not answered yet. I will give you the benefit of doubt and say that you might have genuinely missed it. Can you please answer the below question? Unfortunately for you, your concocted story is not supported by your own books. So man up and accept the truth instead of lying here. I don't have to try at all as any sane person reading this thread would be able to find out the truth about how the Caliphs usurped the rights of Ahlulbayt and threatened to burn their house down. All you need to see the truth is a pure heart with no animosity towards the house of the Holy Prophet (pbuh).
  3. It's not me but you whose akhlaaq is a big question mark. When something is proved from the most authentic book amongst Sunnis, your only answer is to discredit the narration which means you are discrediting something which is called Sahih by your people. So don't blame me for attacking you but you brought it upon yourself by trying to deceive people here. And btw, there was nothing academic in your response to begin with; so stop pretending and accept the truth.
  4. If you are true to your word, please prove the hadith used by Abu Bakr to deny Bibi Fatima (sa) her rights from Quran? Can you prove Abu Bakr's position on inheritance of prophets from Quran?
  5. He has to be deceitful in his words here otherwise there is no way he can defend the actions of his masters. Never have I heard from anyone before saying that Bibi Fatima (sa) was not angry with Abu Bakr. So far people have only tried to downplay the anger but to no avail but this is the first. He even goes to the point of discrediting a hadith in Sahih Bukhari... Lol How low can one stoop?
  6. 1. You are either lying or pretending to be ignorant of this well known fact. Speak to someone you consider to be an alim and he will tell what's written in your own books. 2. You mean Bibi Fatima (sa) didn't ask for Fadak to be returned to her? 3. Again, you can't run from your own books. Read them properly before jumping to incorrect conclusions. We read in Musnaf of Imam Ibn Abi Shebah, Volume 7 page 432 Tradition 37045: “Narrated Muhammad bin Bashir from Ubaidllah bin Umar from Zaid bin Aslam that his father Aslam said: ‘When the homage (baya) went to Abu Bakr after the Messenger of Allah, Ali and Zubair were entering into the house of Fatima to consult her and revise their issue, so when Umar came to know about that, he went to Fatima and said : ‘Oh daughter of Messenger of Allah, no one is dearest to us more than your father and no one dearest to us after your father than you, I swear by Allah, if these people gathered in your house then nothing will prevent me from giving order to burn the house and those who are inside.’ ” All the narrators are authentic as they are the narrators of Sahih Bukhari & Sahih Muslim. Muhammad bin Bashir: Imam Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v2 p159), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v2 p58). Ubaidllah bin Umar: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Thabt’ (Al-Kaashif, v1 p685), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa Thabt’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p637). Zaid bin Aslam: Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Hujja’ (Siar alam alnubala, v5 p316), Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p326). Aslam al-Qurashi (the slave of Umar): Al-Dhahabi said: ‘Faqih, Imam’ (Siar alam alnubala, v4 p98), Ibn Hajar Asqalani said: ‘Thiqa’ (Taqrib al-Tahdib, v1 p88).
  7. Wow.. You are now discrediting the book which is considered second only to Quran in the Sunni world just because you want to save someone's backside at any cost. Quit playing with words and acknowledge the truth. This messy formula you are trying to play with is going to land the Sunnis in a lot of trouble and there is no wisdom in using such a deceitful strategy.
  8. As Brother @shiaman14 has posted a couple of narrations from your beloved Sahih Bukhari book, what is your conclusion now? Narrated Al-Miswar bin Makhrama: Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) said, "Fatima is a part of me, and he who makes her angry, makes me angry." Narrated `Aisha: (mother of the believers) After the death of Allah 's Apostle Fatima the daughter of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) asked Abu Bakr As-Siddiq to give her, her share of inheritance from what Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) had left of the Fai (i.e. booty gained without fighting) which Allah had given him. Abu Bakr said to her, "Allah's Apostle said, 'Our property will not be inherited, whatever we (i.e. prophets) leave is Sadaqa (to be used for charity)." Fatima, the daughter of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) got angry and stopped speaking to Abu Bakr, and continued assuming that attitude till she died. Fatima remained alive for six months after the death of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ). She used to ask Abu Bakr for her share from the property of Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) which he left at Khaibar, and Fadak, and his property at Medina (devoted for charity). Abu Bakr refused to give her that property and said, "I will not leave anything Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) used to do, because I am afraid that if I left something from the Prophet's tradition, then I would go astray." (Later on) `Umar gave the Prophet's property (of Sadaqa) at Medina to `Ali and `Abbas, but he withheld the properties of Khaibar and Fadak in his custody and said, "These two properties are the Sadaqa which Allah's Apostle used to use for his expenditures and urgent needs. Now their management is to be entrusted to the ruler." (Az-Zuhri said, "They have been managed in this way till today.") Please do the maths based on the 2 narrations mentioned above and use all your wisdom to provide us the conclusion?
  9. @Wisdom007 What is your point here? The conclusion stated above is based on what is written in your own books. If you don't like them that doesn't mean that they are not true. Aren't you aware of the fact that Bibi Fatima (sa) was angry with the first 2 caliphs? Do you deny that Fadak which was under her control was usurped from her? Or, are you denying that Umar took people to the house of Bibi Fatima (sa) and threatened to burn it down? The behaviour of the Caliphs towards Bibi Fatima (sa) after the death of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) was shameful to say the least. I know you revere these personalities but that does not mean that you ignore the historical facts however uncomfortable they are to you. If you are truly a lover of the Holy Prophet (pbuh) then you would strive hard to find the truth and send laanah upon the killers of Bibi Fatima (sa).
  10. Commiserations to the Muslims ummah on the death anniversary of Bibi Fatima (sa). Bibi Fatima (sa) was a lady like no other in Islam. She was a lady of many virtues. Through a deep study of the life of Bibi Fatima Zehra (sa), one can slightly understand her exalted human personality. She is similar to her father, Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) in terms of her divine and humane character. Her similarity to her father is a truth that can be easily understood through her father's sayings about her. As the narrator quotes, Holy Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) came out while holding the hand of Lady Fatimah Zahra (pbuh) in his hand. He said: "(For) him, who does not know her, she is Fatimah, the daughter of Muhammad, she is a part of me, she is my soul, which is (located) between my two sides. Certainly, him who harms her has harmed me; and him who harms me has indeed harmed Allah." It is no denying that the Prophet loved Bibi Fatima (sa) and she held a very special place for him. The behavior of Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) toward his daughter Bibi Fatima Al-Zahra (sa) was special. Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) showed unique respect to his dear daughter; whenever Fatima Al-Zahra (sa) came to see him. For instance, there is a famous hadith from Aisha which reads: “I didn’t see a person more similar to the Prophet (pbuh) than Fatima (as) who looked like him in appearance, face, brightness, behavior and manners. When Fatima (as) came to see the Prophet (pbuh), he got to his feet and advanced toward her enthusiastically.” In some hadiths from the same narrator [Aisha] we read: “He kissed Hazrat Fatima (as), took her hand, and invited her to sit in his place.” This reveals the high status of Hazrat Fatima (as). The treatment of Bibi Fatima (sa) by the first 2 caliphs is a very shameful event in the history of Islam. Now, let us see how the Muslim caliphs treated her just days after the death of the Prophet (pbuh). 1st Caliph: Fadak which was in Bibi Fatima Zehra's (sa) possession was taken away from her and she had to fight for her right which again was denied to her. When she went to ask for Fadak which was rightfully hers to be returned to her; she had to wait among-st the people to be heard and when heard, she was insulted. Compare this to the respect she had during the time of the Prophet makes you wonder if these so called protectors of Islam really had been following the sunnah of the Prophet (pbuh). What should surprise any Muslim the most is the following statement by Abu Bakr: “After the death (of Rasulullah), Fatima raised the issue of Fadak that he (the Prophet) had granted it to her, Abu Bakr said: ‘…I don’t know if you are telling the truth, and I can’t judge according to it (your claim).’ Then Umm Ayman and a male servant testified for her. Abu Bakr said: ‘bring forth another witness whose word is acceptable’. Tafseer Kabeer, Volume 10 page 506 Abdullah bin Zubair narrated from his father that whenever Ayesha mentioned Fatima the daughter of the Prophet, she used to say: ‘I never saw someone more truthful than her apart from the one that produced her (her father).’ Al-Mustadrak al-Hakim, Vol. 3, page 160 & 161 [Imam Al-HakIm said: ‘Sahih according to Muslim’s condition’ while Imam Dhahabi stated: ‘According to Muslim’s condition’.] Given that the lady, whose truthfulness is being vouched for in the Quran and hadith, was told that her words were not credible and she was asked to produce witnesses. It is safe to conclude that doubting Bibi Zehra's (sa) words is no less than doubting the Quran. What becomes of a person who doubts the Quran? 2nd Caliph: Now let's look at how Umar treated Bibi Zehra after the death of Prophet (pbuh). Umar went to Bibi Fatimah's house and said: "O’ daughter of the Prophet! I didn’t love anyone as much as I loved your father, nor anyone after him is more loving to me as you are. But I swear by Allah that if these people assemble here with you, then this love of mine would not prevent me from setting your house on fire." Sunni references: - History of Tabari, in the events of the year 11 AH - al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, beginning of the book, and pp 19-20 - Izalatul Khilafa, by Shah Waliullah Muhaddith Dehlavi, v2, p362 - Iqd al-Farid, by Ibn Abd Rabbah al-Malik, v2, chapter of Saqifah Also it is reported that: Umar said to Fatimah (who was behind the door of her house): "I know that the Prophet of God did not love any one more than you, but this will not stop me to carry out my decision. If these people stay in your house, I will burn the door in front of you." Sunni reference: Kanz al-Ummal, v3, p140 In fact Shibli Numani himself testifies the above event in the following words: "From Umar’s irritable and peevish temperament such an action on his part was not improbable." Sunni reference: al-Faruq, by Shibli Numani, p44 It is also reported that: Abu Bakr said (on his death bed): "I wish I had not searched for Fatimah’s house, and had not sent men to harass her, though it would have caused a war if her house would have continued to be used as a shelter." Sunni references: - History of Ya’qubi, v2, pp 115-116 - Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586 The revered Sunni scholar, Abu Muhammad Abdullah Ibn Muslim Ibn Qutaybah Daynuri in his history of Caliphs known as "al-Imamah wa al- Siyasah”reported: Umar asked for wood, and told those people inside the house: "I swear by Allah who has my soul in his hand, that if you do not come out, I will burn the house.” Someone told Umar that Fatimah was inside the house. Umar said: "So what! It doesn’t matter to me who is in the house.” Sunni reference: al-Imamah wa al-Siyasah by Ibn Qutaybah, v1, pp 3,19-20 Another Sunni historian, al-Baladhuri, reported that: Abu Bakr asked ‘Ali to support him, but ‘Ali refused, then Umar went toward the ‘Ali’s house with a burning torch. At the door he met Fatimah who said to him: "Do you intend to burn the door of my house?”Umar said: "Yes, because this act will strengthen the faith brought to us by your father." Sunni reference: al-Ansab Ashraf, by al-Baladhuri, v1, pp 582,586 Also Jouhari in his book said: "Umar and a few Muslims went to the house of Fatimah to burn it down and to burn those who were in opposition.” Ibn Shahna said the same statement adding "to burn the house and inhabitants". Conclusion: Remember, the famous hadith of the Prophet about whoever hurts Bibi Fatima (sa): "Fatimah is a part of me. Whoever makes her angry, makes me angry." Sunni references: - Sahih al-Bukhari, Arabic-English, v5, Traditions #61 and #111 - Sahih Muslim, section of virtues of Fatimah, v4, pp 1904-5 Ibn Qutaybah in al Imamah wa al Siyasa page 14 records that: “Fatima said ‘When I meet my father the Prophet (s), then I shall complain about the both of you (Abu Bakr and Umar), and said to Abu Bakr ‘By Allah I shall curse you after every Salat”. Al-Imamah wa al-Siyasa, Vol. 1, Page 14 So logical conclusion from the above traditions is that Bibi Fatima (sa) was treated unjustly, and that she was angry at Abu Bakr and Umar, which follows Allah and His prophet are angry at them according the above tradition in Sahih al-Bukhari.
  11. It's simple., One sect follows Islam as Allah swt and His Prophet (pbuh) wanted Muslims to follow while the other one is trying to tell Allah swt and the Prophet pbuh what they think should be part of Islam. So if you follow the former then you know you are on Haq and if you are following the latter then you are doomed. Allah swt states in Quran that only He appoints Caliphs. If you look at one sect they abide by it where as the other one have their own man-made Caliphs clearly against the Quran. It's really not that difficult.
  12. SAQIFA!

    One of the most important thing to consider would be that our Holy Prophet pbuh who did even not curse his worst enemies came out in a state when he was sick to chase everyone except a few out of Medina & cursed those who disobeyed him & did not leave Medina at once. "Make haste in joining Usamah's legion. May Allah curse whoever fags behind Usamah's army." We all know that Abu Bakr and Umar were both supposed to be in that army under an eighteen year old which means they disobeyed the direct orders of the Prophet pbuh and were part of those who were cursed by the Prophet. Just imagine what is going to happen to those who are cursed by the Holy Prophet pbuh. Now the point to consider is why would our Prophet pbuh take so much pain to make sure everyone he wanted was out of Medina in his final days? Could it be that he envisaged something like Saqifa happening that he wanted to make it a clear ground for Imam Ali's elevation?
  13. Please stop your deceitful attempts. You know by yourself who the Ahlulbayt are. Going by your logic, it wouldn't be a surprise when people like you will start including Abu Lahab in the Ahlulbayt and add r.a after his name. The select few Ahlulbayt are those who have been mentioned it he Quran and Hadise Kisa. You are trying to deceive people purposefully. It doesn't matter what you believe because the history tells us that the rights of Ahlulbayt were taken by man-made Muslim Caliphs. Instructions of the Prophet (pbuh)? Please tell me you are joking. You have no proof to support your baseless claim about Abu Bakr.'s fabrication Regarding the Khutba, it is strange that you call a khutba with Quranic verses as a fabrication but even after so many years you and your likes have not been able to refute the Quranic verses presented by Bibi Fatima (s). If you want to give it a try then why not give us one Quranic verse which proves the absurd claim made by Abu Bakr? Infact, Abu Bakr did not have a verse to support his fabrication. I am interested if you can go one step further than your master and bring us a verse to prove your point. If you can't then you know that you are supporting an usurper. We all know what has Allah swt promised for usurpers.
  14. Debating in speakers corner with opponents.

    The Salafi guy has very poor aqlaq. Clearly, the narration of 12 Caliphs is from Sunni books which he at first rejects and then says that it mentions Quraysh and not Bani Hashim... He expects caliphs are from Bani Hashim to be written in Sunni books? Lol.... Either he is ignorant or is acting as one to not answer the questions which were originally posed to him. He couldn't answer the very question which has been a thorn in the backside of all the Sunnis till date regarding the 12 caliphs, Despite being asked repeatedly, he kept on dodging the question this despite claiming to be having superior proofs for Sunni Islam. May Allah swt save the ignorant masses from such devious speakers.
  15. Abi talib

    Simple, because he was a Muslim and a best one of his time.