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  1. Grace of Christ or Burden of the Law

    Salam Andres, Do you think Jesus did not believe the Tanakh, or Jewish Bible? I personally believe Jesus believed that the Tanakh is the written Word of God. After all, he quoted it numerous times, and mentioned Moses. He obviously believed Moses to have existed and to still exist. The following are some times he referenced Moses: 1.) Then Jesus said to him, “See that you don’t tell anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the gift Moses commanded, as a testimony to them.” - Matthew 8:4 (NIV) 2.) Jesus replied, “Moses permitted you to divorce your wives because your hearts were hard. But it was not this way from the beginning. - Matthew 19:6 (NIV) 3.) Then Jesus said to the crowds and to his disciples: 2 “The teachers of the law and the Pharisees sit in Moses’ seat. 3 So you must be careful to do everything they tell you. But do not do what they do, for they do not practice what they preach. - Matthew 23:1-3 (NIV) 4.) Jesus sent him away at once with a strong warning. See that you don’t tell this to anyone. But go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them.” - Mark 1:43-44 5.) And he continued, “You have a fine way of setting aside the commands of God in order to observe[c] your own traditions! 10 For Moses said, ‘Honor your father and mother,’[d] and, ‘Anyone who curses their father or mother is to be put to death.’[e] 11 But you say that if anyone declares that what might have been used to help their father or mother is Corban (that is, devoted to God)— 12 then you no longer let them do anything for their father or mother. 13 Thus you nullify the word of God by your tradition that you have handed down. And you do many things like that.” - Mark 7:9-13 (NIV) 6.) “What did Moses command you?” he replied. They said, “Moses permitted a man to write a certificate of divorce and send her away.” “It was because your hearts were hard that Moses wrote you this law,” Jesus replied. 6 “But at the beginning of creation God ‘made them male and female.’[a] 7 ‘For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife,[b] 8 and the two will become one flesh.’[c] So they are no longer two, but one flesh. 9 Therefore what God has joined together, let no one separate.” - Mark 10:3-9 (NIV) 7.) Jesus replied, “Are you not in error because you do not know the Scriptures or the power of God? 25 When the dead rise, they will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be like the angels in heaven. 26 Now about the dead rising—have you not read in the Book of Moses, in the account of the burning bush, how God said to him, ‘I am the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob’[d]? 27 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living. You are badly mistaken!” - Mark 12:24-27 (NIV) 8.) Then Jesus ordered him, “Don’t tell anyone, but go, show yourself to the priest and offer the sacrifices that Moses commanded for your cleansing, as a testimony to them.” - Luke 5:14 (NIV) 9.) (Jesus' rich man and poor Lazarus parable) “Abraham replied, ‘They have Moses and the Prophets; let them listen to them.’ 30 “‘No, father Abraham,’ he said, ‘but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.’ 31 “He said to him, ‘If they do not listen to Moses and the Prophets, they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.’” -Luke 16:29-31 (NIV) 10.) Jesus replied, “The people of this age marry and are given in marriage. 35 But those who are considered worthy of taking part in the age to come and in the resurrection from the dead will neither marry nor be given in marriage, 36 and they can no longer die; for they are like the angels. They are God’s children, since they are children of the resurrection. 37 But in the account of the burning bush, even Moses showed that the dead rise, for he calls the Lord ‘the God of Abraham, and the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob.’[b] 38 He is not the God of the dead, but of the living, for to him all are alive.” - Luke 20:34-38 (NIV) 11.) And beginning with Moses and all the Prophets, he explained to them what was said in all the Scriptures concerning himself. - Luke 24:27 (NIV) 12.) He said to them, “This is what I told you while I was still with you: Everything must be fulfilled that is written about me in the Law of Moses, the Prophets and the Psalms.” - Luke 24:44 I have to go now, but if God wills, hope to reply to the rest of your post later. Peace and God bless you
  2. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Sumerian, I am not saying Muslims "must" do anything. Knowledge is power, and it does not hurt Muslims to know what the Bible says, even if they don't follow it. Similarly, it does not hurt Christians to know what the Qur'an says, even if they don't follow it. Peace and God bless you
  3. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Abu Hadi, This is similar to the Qur'an. When you quote the Qur'an, you are not quoting the original text either but rather a translation that has been altered over the centuries. Agreed. There is indeed a correlation between the actions of the modern day Israel and the actions of the Biblical Israel. Do you think the Philistines wanted the Biblical Israelites to take over their land? I don't. I would like to when I can. However, the focus should not be on me. The focus should be on God's promises. Out of curiosity, is there any promises in the Qur'an concerning Jerusalem? I have read the Qur'an, but I don't remember reading any. In both the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the New Testament, God gave promises concerning Jerusalem. Jerusalem is mentioned around 655 times in the Tanakh, and around 146 times in the New Testament. How many times is Jerusalem mentioned in the Qur'an? Peace and God bless you
  4. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Hasanhh, Thanks. How are you? I've never been there, but it is a dream to someday walk literally where Jesus Christ walked. Is Qom in America, Australia, or Canada? My point was "there are no prophecies in the Bible which prophesy that the Mashiach (Anointed One/King) will rule from either America, or Australia, or Canada. " The prophet Jeremiah, by the way, mentioned Jerusalem around 98 times and mentioned Judah (where the term "Jew" originated) around 165 times. God gave to prophet Jeremiah one of the most beautiful prophecies (in my opinion) about Jerusalem: (I boldened some.) And it shall come to pass, when ye are multiplied and increased in the land, in those days, saith the LORD, they shall say no more: The ark of the covenant of the LORD; neither shall it come to mind; neither shall they make mention of it; neither shall they miss it; neither shall it be made any more. At that time they shall call Jerusalem the throne of the LORD; and all the nations shall be gathered unto it, to the name of the LORD, to Jerusalem; neither shall they walk any more after the stubbornness of their evil heart. In those days the house of Judah shall walk with the house of Israel, and they shall come together out of the land of the north to the land that I have given for an inheritance unto your fathers.' - Jeremiah 3:16-18 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1103.htm Personally, I don't believe this prophecy has been fulfilled yet. I believe it will be fulfilled after Jesus Christ returns and rules from Jerusalem. Peace and God bless you
  5. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Abu Hadi, Agreed. Thanks for answering my question. I'm not sure if the Qur'an or hadiths go into much detail over David's wars? The Tanakh does go into some detail about David's fights, including the following: And David and his men went up, and made a raid upon the Geshurites, and the Gizrites, and the Amalekites; for those were the inhabitants of the land, who were of old, as thou goest to Shur, even unto the land of Egypt. And David smote the land, and left neither man nor woman alive, and took away the sheep, and the oxen, and the asses, and the camels, and the apparel. And he returned, and came to Achish. - 1 Samuel 27:8-9 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08a27.htm Personally, I wish that both Israel, Palestine, the USA, and every other nation would obey Jesus Christ's commands to love enemies. However, of course my wish doesn't matter. Again, what matters is what God promises. The Jewish prophets Isaiah and Zechariah prophesied that the Messiah would reign from Jerusalem. They prophesied this 2,000+ years ago, and we can choose to believe them or reject them. I believe that God gave them those prophesies. However, I understand if you believe the opposite. Peace and God bless you
  6. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Notme, You can attack me all you want. I don't like Trump and it has nothing to do with me. I hate war and am a pacifist, regardless of your assumptions. Again, what's important is what God promises, not my opinions. I am just quoting the ancient prophets who prophesied about Jerusalem what God told them to say. You can believe them or reject them; I personally believe them. Why? Because I believe God gave them those prophecies to tell people, including even us (people alive) today. Peace and God bless you
  7. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Abu Hadi, God uses even pagans to do His bidding. For example, He had pagans punish the Children of Israel multiple times for disobeying Him, including the time hundreds of years before Jesus Christ first came, when Babylon sacked Jerusalem, and when Rome destroyed Jerusalem, years after Jesus Christ first came. The history of Israel has been a cycle of God punishing the Children of Israel for their sins, then bringing them back, repeat. As for King David, do you believe that David fought the enemies of Israel? Just curious. Thanks. Solomon was a man of peace, but David was not. Peace and God bless you
  8. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Notme, Of course. My opinion does not matter. What God promises is what matters, and He promised that the Jewish Messiah will come and reign from Jerusalem. It doesn't matter what I or anybody else thinks about that lol. Peace and God bless you
  9. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Abu Hadi, Everyone is entitled to their opinions. However, God does what He promises regardless of what people think. Peace and God bless you
  10. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Sumerian, As far as I know, there are no prophecies in the Bible which prophesy that the Mashiach (Anointed One/King) will rule from either America, or Australia, or Canada. Since the Bible is an ancient compilation of manuscripts and since the prophet Isaiah lived hundreds of years before Jesus Christ came, it is interesting that God gave him prophecies specifically concerning Judah and Jerusalem. Washington DC is not mentioned once in the Bible lol, unlike Jerusalem, which is mentioned multiple times in both the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the New Testament. This by the way, is another prophecy that God gave to another prophet, Zechariah, concerning the Messiah, which Christians believe Jesus Christ fulfilled: Rejoice greatly, O daughter of Zion, shout, O daughter of Jerusalem; behold, thy king cometh unto thee, he is triumphant, and victorious, lowly, and riding upon an ass, even upon a colt the foal of an ass. - Zechariah 9:9 Many Christians believe that Jesus Christ will fulfill Zechariah 9:10 after he returns: And I will cut off the chariot from Ephraim, and the horse from Jerusalem, and the battle bow shall be cut off, and he shall speak peace unto the nations; and his dominion shall be from sea to sea, and from the River to the ends of the earth. http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt2309.htm Peace and God bless you
  11. Trump's Jerusalem decision

    Salam Sumerian, I think God is orchestrating everything to prepare for the Jewish Messiah's return, whether people like it or not. I also think it's interesting that King David was the first person who made Jerusalem the capital of Israel; that was thousands of years ago though. He took it away from the Jebusites, the people who lived there before the Children of Israel migrated from Egypt to the land God promised them. (I boldened some.) So all the elders of Israel came to the king to Hebron; and king David made a covenant with them in Hebron before the LORD; and they anointed David king over Israel. David was thirty years old when he began to reign, and he reigned forty years. In Hebron he reigned over Judah seven years and six months; and in Jerusalem he reigned thirty and three years over all Israel and Judah. And the king and his men went to Jerusalem against the Jebusites, the inhabitants of the land, who spoke unto David, saying: 'Except thou take away the blind and the lame, thou shalt not come in hither'; thinking: 'David cannot come in hither.' Nevertheless David took the stronghold of Zion; the same is the city of David. - 2 Samuel 5:3-6 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt08b05.htm King David, by the way, is as Jewish as a person can be, since he is from the tribe of Judah (where the term Jew comes from). Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMashiach) is also Jewish, since he comes from the tribe of Judah as well. Someday, Jesus Christ will return and rule from Jerusalem. (I boldened some of the prophecy below.) The word that Isaiah the son of Amoz saw concerning Judah and Jerusalem. And it shall come to pass in the end of days, that the mountain of the LORD'S house shall be established as the top of the mountains, and shall be exalted above the hills; and all nations shall flow unto it. And many peoples shall go and say: 'Come ye, and let us go up to the mountain of the LORD, to the house of the God of Jacob; and He will teach us of His ways, and we will walk in His paths.' For out of Zion shall go forth the law, and the word of the LORD from Jerusalem. And He shall judge between the nations, and shall decide for many peoples; and they shall beat their swords into plowshares, and their spears into pruninghooks; nation shall not lift up sword against nation, neither shall they learn war any more. - Isaiah 2:1-4 http://www.mechon-mamre.org/p/pt/pt1002.htm Peace and God bless you
  12. Grace of Christ or Burden of the Law

    Salam Andres, Well, I believe Moses existed and wrote about himself in the third person. Out of curiosity, do you believe that Jesus Christ did not talk about Moses? You do believe that Jesus Christ existed and exists, yeah? Or no? Then nobody knows for sure about anything really in the past. Anything could just be made up by other people who pretended certain people existed. Are you meaning the miracles God did through Moses? Moses didn't lie. God does miracles, though people who don't believe God does miracles chooses to ignore or negate the miracles God has done in other people's lives. Peace and God bless you
  13. Grace of Christ or Burden of the Law

    Salam Andres, I agree with that; I don't hold God accountable for that either. Regardless of what the Catholic Church accepts, I believe Adam and Eve really existed, same as I believe your ancestors and my ancestors really existed. Again, historians are diverse. There are experts in the Hebrew language who do believe that Moses really existed. True. And yes, there are human errors in written documents as well. The reason I believe that the Gospel accounts compiled in the Bible are true instead of the oral traditions that vary is because I believe God led people to preserve His Word, though definitely, as we have already established, humans are far from perfect in doing so. Peace and God bless you
  14. How would Arabia be if Islam never existed?

    Salam Mishael, I understand, but in the verse you quoted, Jesus Christ wasn't talking to all of his followers. He was just talking to "them" - not us. And, when the disciples said they had 2 swords, Jesus said that's enough. 38 The disciples said, “See, Lord, here are two swords.” “That’s enough!” he replied. - Luke 22:38 (NIV) Two swords were enough for the prophecy about Jesus being counted among the transgressors being fulfilled, since Peter was a transgressor by attacking the high priest's servant Malcus (John 18:10). 36 He said to them, “But now if you have a purse, take it, and also a bag; and if you don’t have a sword, sell your cloak and buy one. 37 It is written: ‘And he was numbered with the transgressors' [Isaiah 53:12]; and I tell you that this must be fulfilled in me. Yes, what is written about me is reaching its fulfillment.” - Luke 22:36-37 (NIV) Cool!!! Thanks Mishael, May God bless and keep you as well.
  15. Grace of Christ or Burden of the Law

    Salam Shiaman14, I believe Moses' successor, Joshua, wrote about Moses' death, a form of an "obituary" as one may say. I also believe that Joshua wrote about the events of his leadership in 3rd person, and that his successor wrote about Joshua's death, his "obituary." The leadership of the children of Israel were for the most part literate and oral passing down of history is a strength of both the ancient Israelites and the Arabs. (This is why for example I believe many - not all- of the hadiths of what Muhammad did and said are true, especially those from credible sources. Peace and God bless you