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  1. Wasalam Student_of_Deen, I don't know her, but I'm curious. What is her screenname? Hey! Maybe she believes that Christianity helps her more than Islam does! That's not bad. There are some former Christians now Muslims who believe Islam helps them more than Christianity does. All of the Muslim Background Christians I personally know accepted Jesus Christ before I met them, and none of them in their testimonies gave "hatred of Sahaba" as one of their reasons for their conversion. God's love through Jesus Christ is why they converted, not because of hatred for other people. Again, "hatred of Sahaba" is not the reason why some Muslims convert to Christianity. God's love through Jesus Christ is the main reason why they convert to Christianity. Peace and God bless you
  2. Salam DigitalUmmah, It's difficult to trust people when they believe in a taqiyyah concept. However, there are times when some Christians think it is justified to lie. For example, one of my heroes, Corrie ten Boom, lied when the Nazis asked her if she and her family were hiding Jews. They were indeed hiding Jewish people, but they lied to the Nazis in order to protect their Jewish friends. So... I think it's human nature to be kind to our friends. However, when neighbors have a sharp disagreement, it's often sadly human nature to react to sharp disagreements with increasing hostility, sad to say. Anyways, I admire you for looking for Sunnis who care for their Shia brethren and want to unify in spite of differences. That's very admirable!!! Much respect!!! (Personally, I love both Sunni and Shia Muslims and I wish they would get along, agreeing to disagree.) Peace and God bless you
  3. Salam Andres, Yep, and remember, many societies put emphasis on sexual purity because of God. (Some other - not all other- societies included sexual immorality in worship of gods and idols.) Sad but true. However, there are arguments in the New Testament which show that slavery is a no-no. For example, while Jesus Christ's command to "Do to others as you would have them do to you." does not specifically mention slavery, it's common sense that if I don't want to be enslaved, I shouldn't enslave others. It horrifies me personally when some American Christians call the USA a "Christian nation." I 100% agree with Frederick Douglass who eloquently stated this about mainly, I assume, about Protestants of America in his day: (I boldend some and separated long paragraphs into smaller ones.) "What I have said respecting and against religion, I mean strictly to apply to the slaveholding religion of this land, and with no possible reference to Christianity proper; for, between the Christianity of this land, and the Christianity of Christ, I recognize the widest possible difference--so wide, that to receive the one as good, pure, and holy, is of necessity to reject the other as bad, corrupt, and wicked. To be the friend of the one, is of necessity to be the enemy of the other. I love the pure, peaceable, and impartial Christianity of Christ: I therefore hate the corrupt, slaveholding, women-whipping, cradle-plundering, partial and hypocritical Christianity of this land. (Appendix.1) - True. However, the New Testament of the Bible does encourage sexual purity, though without the harsh punishments given in the Old Testament. And, while neither the Old or New Testament directly/specifically forbid all slavery, Jesus commanding the Golden Rule is in my opinion an indirect command against enslaving others. Peace and God bless you
  4. Salam Andres, Personally, I can't believe both the Bible and the Qur'an, because the Qur'an contradicts the Bible. The Qur'an contains stories that contradicts the Tanakh (Old Testament) and the Qur'an also contains stories that contradict the New Testament. The reason why so many Muslims strive very hard to discredit the Bible is because they know the Qur'an contradicts the Bible. So, instead of questioning the Qur'an, they attack the Bible. Whereas Jesus Christ and his followers confirmed the Tanakh as being the Word of God by quoting it, Muhammad possibly didn't even read either the Tanakh or the New Testament. To me, reading is a big deal. One of my favorite passages in the New Testament is the following, because it proves that Jesus Christ knew how to read; he read from the Tanakh: Jesus returned to Galilee in the power of the Spirit, and news about him spread through the whole countryside. 15 He was teaching in their synagogues, and everyone praised him. 16 He went to Nazareth, where he had been brought up, and on the Sabbath day he went into the synagogue, as was his custom. He stood up to read, 17 and the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was handed to him. Unrolling it, he found the place where it is written: 18 “The Spirit of the Lord is on me, because he has anointed me to proclaim good news to the poor.He has sent me to proclaim freedom for the prisoners and recovery of sight for the blind, to set the oppressed free, 19 to proclaim the year of the Lord’s favor.[Isaiah 61:1,2 (see Septuagint); Isaiah 58:6] 20 Then he rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the attendant and sat down. The eyes of everyone in the synagogue were fastened on him. 21 He began by saying to them, “Today this scripture is fulfilled in your hearing.” - Luke 4:14-21 (NIV) Peace and God bless you
  5. Salam Student_of_Deen, Some Shia Muslims do believe that Sunni Muslims are Muslims. They just think they are "misquided" - that's all, same as how some Sunni Muslims see Shia Muslims as "misquided" but still Muslims. Anyways, instead of arguing about issues between you two groups and blaming wars on other people groups, could you please find videos and articles of Sunni Muslims who are striving to unite with Shia Muslims? That would be most helpful, as this thread is capable of being a way to encourage both Muslim groups to be unified. Thank you. Peace and God bless you
  6. Salam DigitalUmmah, What a great thread!!! I would ask my Sunni friends, but they are busy with taking care of their kids and working, and I have free time right now so I found the following videos about Sunni-Shia relations. I can't understand hardly any word in this video. Can you? Do they talk about Sunnis caring for unity with Shias? Yay the video below is in English!!! Interestingly, it seems that the Sunnis who reach out to Shias feel more comfortable doing so in Western, Non-Muslim dominated nations than in Muslim-dominated nations Why is that??? Is it because Catholic and Protestant Christians found a way to get along in the West, and that influences Sunnis and Shias to strive to get along in the West too? Peace and God bless you
  7. Salam LeftCoastMom, I understand. I just was explaining my Grandpa's and Papaw's views and how their life experiences shaped those views. Peace and God bless you
  8. Salam Sindband05, Modern psychology does not condone limiting a woman's testimony to half of a man's testimony. Peace and God bless you
  9. Salam Andres, I don't think the main reason for sexual purity is pregnancy and fatherhood, though it is a reason. God gave commands concerning sexual purity for a person's physical and emotional well-being. The following is a list of the dangers of sexual immorality (which includes premarital sex): 1. Broken hearts: Many people suffer broken hearts by having sex with and then getting dumped by that person. This increases "emotional baggage" which the person then usually carries into the next relationship. Some people experience broken heart after broken heart and question, "What's wrong with me? Why am I always abandoned after premarital sex?" The reason for broken hearts after premarital sex and being dumped is because God created a man and a woman to be "one flesh" (Genesis 2:24, Matthew 19:5, Mark 10:8, 1 Corinthians 6:16, Ephesians 5:31). Sex is a physical picture of that "one flesh" state. 2. Sexually transmitted diseases: It is much easier to avoid sexual diseases when not exposed to as many sexual partners. Many people have sex, not knowing that they even have a sexual disease. One of my friends has a sexual disease that she got from having sex before marriage with a womanizer. Needless to say, she wishes she had never seen the guy. Definitely married people can be infected with sexually transmitted diseases, but abstaining from premarital sex does help avoid sexually transmitted diseases before marriage. 3. Marrying mistakes: some people marry due to having sex before marriage, especially when the woman gets pregnant. However, one or both knows that he/she made a mistake. Premarital sex can blind people into not detecting that a person is not the right lifemate for her/him. One of my friends married the guy she had premarital sex with, and came to regret it. She had been so enamored with his physical appearance and feelings from sex that she neglected to see if he was a man of integrity. He was not. He verbally abused her, and cheated on her many times before she divorced him. So, there are more reasons than just "Who's the daddy?" for God commanding sexual purity. Thank God, He forgives people for their sins (including having premarital sex) when they confess to Him and repent. Christians believe that Jesus Christ took the harsh penalty for sins when He died on the cross and rose again to life! While some Christians think that this means it doesn't matter if we obey God or not, other Christians understand the importance of obeying God. God loves people, and wants the best for them. God made commands to help people, not hurt them!!! Peace and God bless you
  10. Salam Sindbad06, 1. Men are emotional too. Out of enmity, men can tell more or less than what they witnessed too. 2. Memory helps in multitasking. Please provide scientific evidence to your claim that "memory is often less effective in multitasking brains." 3. Men can also switch their testimony under duress too. Men can be emotional, multi-taskers, and switch their testimony under duress too. Peace and God bless you
  11. Salam Baqar, No worries, and no need to apologize. True. I reject the idea of a woman's testimony being half the testimony of a man's. I don't reject the idea that Arab society had anti-women characteristics. I also don't reject the idea that European societies had anti-women characteristics. Interestingly, Christianity has no New Testament law concerning the validity of testimonies/witnesses in relation to one's gender, unlike Islam. It would be interesting to see if the Tanakh includes any law concerning female witnesses/testimonies. I've never studied that before. The Tanakh includes many many more laws/commands than the New Testament does. Let's see... I found these verses with the word "witness" in them: Thou shalt not murder. Thou shalt not commit adultery. Thou shalt not steal. Thou shalt not bear false witness against thy neighbour. - Exodus 20:12 There is no gender difference here. One can safely assume that both men and women are not to murder, commit adultery, steal, or bear false witness. Whoso killeth any person, the murderer shall be slain at the mouth of witnesses; but one witness shall not testify against any person that he die. - Numbers 35:36 There is no gender difference specifically mentioned here concerning witnesses. At the mouth of two witnesses, or three witnesses, shall he that is to die be put to death; at the mouth of one witness he shall not be put to death. - Deuteronomy 17:6 No gender difference specifically mentioned here for the witnesses either. One witness shall not rise up against a man for any iniquity, or for any sin, in any sin that he sinneth; at the mouth of two witnesses, or at the mouth of three witnesses, shall a matter be established. - Deuteronomy 19:15 No gender difference specifically mentioned here either. Now, one thing that's very interesting to note, the Talmud allegedly does specify gender concerning witnesses, according to wikipedia: The Talmud, in the third chapter of Sanhedrin, delineates the rules governing who may provide written or oral testimony. A valid witness in a Jewish Beit Din must be an adult (see Bar Mitzvah) free man, not a woman or a slave, and not be related to any of the other witnesses or judges. The witness must be an honest person who can be trusted not to lie. However, the Talmud is different than the Tanukh. The Talmud was written much much much later than the Tankah, according to this website: The Talmud (Hebrew for “study”) is one of the central works of the Jewish people. It is the record of rabbinic teachings that spans a period of about six hundred years, beginning in the first century C.E. and continuing through the sixth and seventh centuries C.E. While some Jewish people believe the Talmud, some doubt it and prefer to just rely on the Tanakh. Thanks so much!!! Peace and blessings to you and your family as well.
  12. Salam LeftCoastMom, I'm personally crept out by the purity balls, which I did not know about till reading this thread. (I wonder if Southern Baptist churches do them... I haven't been to a Southern Baptist church in a long time, but I was raised in a Southern Baptist family. I've been attending a non-denominational church for a long time. Are you crept out by the original True Love Waits movement, or only by the creepy "Purity balls" which I just learned about from this thread? (The True Love Waits movement in which I participated in as a teen did not include a creepy purity ball...) It helped me personally to obey God's commands concerning sex. It's very difficult in my society to withstand sexual temptation, and the True Love Waits movement greatly helped me. Many activities of any group of people can seem prideful. However, obeying God's commands concerning sex can be very difficult. It's not about pride; it's about obeying God. It really helps to have encouragement to obey God. I've never heard of, been to, or seen a Purity Ball till you wrote this and I looked it up. These Purity balls do seem creepy and yes, some have with undertones of incest with this boyfriend being the Dad thing. That's weird and creepy.:( However, purity balls are much different than what I personally experienced in the True Love Waits movement. I decided of my own free will to participate in the True Love Waits Movement and I asked my parents to get me a purity ring. My Dad didn't make any promises concerning my virginity. I made my own promise to God, using my own free will. I was a virgin till I got married because I wanted to obey God's commands, not because of my Dad. It had NOTHING to do with Dad and EVERYTHING to do with God. My husband, by the way, made no promises to God to be a virgin till marriage. He has no problem admitting this. He does however believe in being faithful in marriage. Peace and God bless you
  13. Salam Islandsandmirrors, Some Christians are "obsessed with purity" because God has commands concerning sex. So, it's not that they are "obsessed with not having sex" but rather that they are "obsessed" with obeying God's commands concerning sex. Lol!!!! I had a purity ring until I got married!!! I was raised in a Baptist home (though I'm not currently a Baptist). And yes, I had a lot of fun telling guys no I will not sleep with you before marriage because I love God more than I love you. You would be surprised how many Christian guys don't care about God's commands for sex. It seems that more Christian girls care to obey God's commands about sex than Christian guys. Lol that's not it at all. The USA is a very heavily sexualized culture. Purity rings and all that jazz are a spiritual response that shows a desire for some Christians to obey God's commands about sex in a very secularized sexualized atmosphere. That's tough. Because of mutah maybe? While some Christians do, some Christians actually are the ones being shamed for not having premarital sex. I was personally called a prude in high school for refusing to have sex before marriage. And, I don't care one bit; I think God protected me from sexual diseases. Um. Apparently, you've never met some of my Sunni Muslim friends lol. They actually believe in segregation of the genders for a reason: to prevent premarital sex. I know; after 9/11 I almost married a wonderful Sunni Muslim man and I would get so upset when I was segregated from him at Sunni Muslim events. When I went to the mosque, I was segregated from him as well. I was not a happy camper, let me tell you. Their explanation? The segregation helps prevent sexual temptation. Is that what the Qur'an says? Then, why not avoid Christians? By the way, striving to obey God can be considered having a "holier-than-thou attitude" but Christians are supposed to be "holy" But as he who called you is holy, you also be holy in all your conduct, since it is written, “You shall be holy, for I am holy.” - 1 Peter 1:15-16 (ESV) I think it's cool that the true love waits rings are still a thing. Instead of viewing their commitment to obeying God as a negative, can you think of any positives to their public commitment to obeying God? It's a part of Jesus' commands to make disciples: And Jesus came and said to them, “All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. 19 Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in[a] the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, 20 teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age.” - Matthew 28:18-20 (NIV) From my personal experience, my Sunni Muslim friends have definitely invited me to "revert" to Islam multiple times. I respect them for that, cause I know they care for my eternal welfare. Could you try to see any positives about some Christians striving to obey God's commands for sex in a highly sexualized, secular society? Peace and God bless you
  14. Salam LeftCoastMom, My Grandpa (my Dad's Dad) was a Southern Baptist preacher. His aversion to wine and his adopting the theory of "grape juice" was motivated by tragic events in his own life. His 2 older brothers were killed by a drunk driver. Alcohol to him = death to his beloved brothers. The aversion of my Papaw (Mom's Dad) to alcohol is due to his own father being an alcoholic who beat his wife (my Papaw's mother). Alcohol to him = abusive dad who hurt the lady he was supposed to love and protect. Not everyone can hold their liquor. My family members were affected by 2 different people who were addicted to alcohol. Because of this, they had a hard time seeing wine as a good thing. Definitely, if they did not have harmful experiences, I don't think they would have had a problem with Jesus turning water into wine. Wine just had a very negative connotation in their minds, due to the death of his brothers in my Grandpa's case, and due to the alcoholic rages of his Dad, in my Papaw's case. Definitely it is fine to drink alcohol, but it's also important not to get drunk. As Jesus warned: But if that wicked servant says to himself, ‘My master is delayed,’ 49 and begins to beat his fellow servants[d] and eats and drinks with drunkards, 50 the master of that servant will come on a day when he does not expect him and at an hour he does not know 51 and will cut him in pieces and put him with the hypocrites. In that place there will be weeping and gnashing of teeth. - Matthew 24:48-51 (NIV) Some Protestant Christians do confuse drinking alcohol with getting drunk, but in a way, it's better to simply abstain than to risk getting addicted and then becoming a drunkard. However, it's important for each person to make their own choice, of their own free will. Definitely some people can control their alcohol consumption and not get drunk. Peace and God bless you
  15. Salam Maimonides, Yay I found you!!! (Don't know if you still come once in awhile to Shiachat, just to read?) I love the word fellow... my Dad says that word a lot. I wish he would come back and elaborate on this: what "tremendous spiritual damage" is he or she risking?When he says "oral Torah" - does he mean the Talmud? Does he believe that Karaite Jews are risking "tremendous spiritual damage" by not believing in the Talmud? Do Karaites accept the Oral Law/ Talmud? No. I Interesting explanations Funny. I have more questions on Maimonides's personal beliefs and how he views beliefs of other Jewish people (the Karaites for example) than questions about his explanations on alleged contradictions in the Tanakh. Peace and God bless