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  1. [Closed/Review]Deviant Beliefs of Hassan Allahyari

    Thats just simply not true. I guessing you have no clue about the realities of his situation eg, you have never seen his mosque or the area?
  2. McDonalds ordered woman to remove headscarf

    Nothing good in there any way.
  3. [Closed/Review]Deviant Beliefs of Hassan Allahyari

    The proof of Yasser Habib being an agent is clear. He is released from prison early and allowed to go to the UK. Upon which he finds himself with a large quantity of money. Then he opens his own tv channel and mosque, whilst having less than a handful people around him. He then spouts hate and propaganda against the enemies of the British government. The british have a long history of recruiting people within to do their dirty work, think of ale saud, Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, most of the rulers of the royalty in the middle east. Did you think they would not attempt to infiltrate the shia and attempt to turn us?
  4. Meaning of Syed

    Sayid is just arabic for "Mr" or "sir". Saydia is just arabic for "Lady" or "madam". I think in Asian countries its use or rather abuse has meant its just turned into another social grading system which is deeply Islamic.
  5. The Claims of Jesus

    Adam did not have a father or a mother, so if anyone is the son of God based on this conjecture then it is Adam.
  6. Homosexuality

    I think this is disputed to say the least. Also think about it, when you were say 5 or 6, who was interested in any gender? the boys were playing football and the girls arguing Its only after puberty these desires become apparent. I find it hard to accept that the environmental factors of childhood have no part to play. However, lets put all that aside, and assume your right. Lets imagine a girl is genetically such that she is attracted to women. Does she have to act on that? Does she have to live that way? What if it turns out lying or selfishness is also genetic. Now what do we say? That its ok because they are inclined to it? I think though the issue oh homosexuality does challenge our generation and we need to come up with a rational discussion that is both true to our beliefs, but also fair to those who are facing these issues.
  7. Can an illegitimate born child become a marja ?

    Its not a sin. If I am born with only one arm, Allah has not sinned against me. It is simply my limit. I did not say that was the definite logic, I was just speculating that the true reasoning behind these rules may have a good function, we just may not know it now.
  8. So by that you think it means we can all become marja? is that your guess at the meaning?
  9. Can an illegitimate born child become a marja ?

    Is there a punishment here though? Perhaps this is one way of ensuring certain people do not get into power. There is no sin if a person does not become a marja.
  10. shuaybi, I get the impression, if i was to leave, you would just continue and start arguing with yourself. The issue is not new, and you have brought nothing new. No. They lack knowledge, some may lack intellect. Its like me saying, everyone can become the fastest 100m runner in the world. Of course this is false. Some people do not have the ability or training. Hence, why Allah said some become expert. Allah didnt say to give up and just do as they say, learn, but listen to the expert. What do you think happens now then? You think its all rai and thann with some qiyas mixed in? This is the danger, you do not understand shia fiqh. I have said this to you several times, your arguing against a position that doesnt even exist. You seem to be under the (false) impression that shia ulama just copy Abu Hanifa usul al fiqh and take a guess at what is right or wrong. This is really a massive injustice and very disappointing. My dear friend, you were not able to copy and paste one hadith correctly, then you even got the meaning of that one hadith wrong. You are not in a position to talk about the position of mujtahids. Even the lowest of whom have spent a decade studying. Just have some manners and please think before you type. Would you say to a doctor you know more because you googled one medical topic? come on, think. I presented many narrations. None said that. Now your going down the slippery slope of twisting narrations to fit your theory. I copied the narrations in blue, remember? Not sure why you are struggling here. Matters of BELIEF is something you as an individual are responsible for. Of course you can read what experts have said, but ultimately its up to you to formulate your own belief and have evidences for it. Matters of the law is something that one can refer to a legal expert, eg a religious lawer eg a scholar. What about Quran? What about Ijma? What about Aql? Good for you. But your wrong. We do know how mujithad deduce the rulings, just because you dont, doesnt mean its a secret or unknowable. I can definitely see know that the reason why your so confused about shia fiqh is because you think its the same methodology as sunni. This is simply not the case. I think if you actually studied usul al fiqh and mantiq you would realise that the shia system starts with a known rulings and works to the specific, so there is no guess work or opinion. The sunni system is different. My advice to you is try and go to a Shia centre which is well regarded and has knowledgeable scholars there and discuss the matter and try to enroll on some courses. It seems that despite my best efforts I can not help you any further.
  11. Yes. You think anyone can simply pick up a hadith and know its meaning, relevance and application? Lets be honest, 90% of Muslims cant even read Arabic properly, then there are those who intellect is lacking etc. The reality is that not everyone can become a top athlete, a professor of medicine, or a marja. This is obvious to a wise adult, but as you asked for what the Aimma AS say, here : H 103, Ch. 11, h9 Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from Yunus from Dawud ibn Farqad from one he narrated from ibn Shubruma (a judge in al-Kufa during the rule of al-Mansur) who has said the following: “I never heard anything like a statement I heard from Imam abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, and it almost pierced my heart. The Imam, recipient of divine supreme covenant, said, ‘My father narrated from my great-great-greatgreat grandfather, the Holy Prophet, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who said, “Those who act on the basis of analogy will face their destruction and lead others to their destruction. Those who give fatwas (legal opinions) without knowing the abrogating and the abrogated (texts of the law), the clear text and that which requires interpretation, they will face destruction and lead others to their destruction.’” The believers at that time and after until now referred to the best experts in religion, either the Aimma AS themselves or the best educated. As I mentioned to you before, the Aimma AS would tell their followers to go and ask such and such in their town for rulings. Bondage of mujtahids? people should not read hadith? I have not said any of these things. However, yes, the ones educated in religion, they are able to take the correct understanding of them. If someone cant read , can they get the correct meaning of the text? If someone is mentally very weak, can they get the correct meaning? Think about it. I can see your not familiar with shia ideology. I hope you will stay interested. Faru Al Deen is what you can ask an expert on. Usul Al Deen, you can not refer to anyone, and you must become the expert in tauheed, adala, nabuwa, imama, ma'ad etc. Essentially, legal issues you can refer, matters of belief, then this is something you have to take responsibility for. You think referring to Quran is sunni and not shia? You think referring to a masoom is sunni and not shia? I think my friend, your best bet is to read more before you make conclusions. Wrong. Lets imagine I have an issue, I want the best answer today. We have already seen, someone like you who claims to go directly to hadith can mess it up and misunderstand it. So should I ask you or someone more knowledgeable? Do I have the option of asking a ma'soom right now? No. So what is the best thing I can do? Ask the most knowledgeable. What is very frustrating is that I can guarantee you and every other person would love to ask the most knowledgeable person about every challenge they face outside of religion. But if its religion, no, lets have a guess myself. If it was an issue about your parents health, you would beg the most knowledgeable doctor about the answer, but if its religion ? no, guessing is fine. What does this say about your value on religion? Its the most backward and hypocritical approach you can imagine. My friend. I think its quite obvious to you and me, and anyone else reading this that you got it completely wrong. Im not here to score points or win battles. I just like to chat and learn. The fact that you mis quoted the wording, then misunderstood the meaning highlights the dangers of lay people having a go at something that requires specialist knowledge and skills. Allah did not ask everyone to become experts. 9|122|It is not advisable for the believers to march out altogether. Of every division that marches out, let a group remain behind, to gain understanding of the religion, and to notify their people when they have returned to them, that they may beware. Now the issue is, if Allah asks a group to become experts and warn the others, should the others listen? Or should they do as you say, and go, "No thanks, Im going to have a go at this myself, it doesnt matter than I have no training and very limited knowledge, I will just google a few things and have a guess" As for the statements of the Aimma AS on this issue, despite the fact no proof of what is blatantly obvious is required, they have clarified it : AL KAFI - H 97, Ch. 11, h3 Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from al-Hassan ibn Mahbub from Ali ibn al-Ri’ab from abu ‘Ubayda al-Hadhdha’ from abu Ja’far, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who has said the following: “The angels of mercy and the angels of wickedness condemn those who give to people fatwas without knowledge and guidance. Such people will be held responsible for the sins of all those who have followed such fatwas.” We dont have statements that say "dont give fatwa", we have lots and lots that say, "dont give fatwa without knowledge" , "dont give fatwa based on your opinion" etc. No, thats not what they asked us to do. Allah said in the Quran for a group to become experts and warn the others. The Aimma AS said follow the knowledgeable. What you are doing is following yourself, sure your not telling others to follow you. You are simply making taqleed of yourself. This is a disaster. If your not a doctor, would you like to have a go at your own heart by pass operation? Hold on. I never said that lay people cant benefit from all hadith. Im just pointing out that legal rulings are a specialist field, and require specialist knowledge. There are hadith that even the most simple person can benefit from. There are also many ayas in Quran and statements by ma'soom that are critical in helping us understand our responsibility for our core faith, the usul al deen. I hope I have shed some light on the topic, if Im wrong, then please show me, I am happy to change my position on anything.
  12. No its not. Its just expert advice. You dont submit to your doctor or lawyer, or murja if they give you advice. Now the question is, at what point would you not accept their advice? When is a lesser opinion better than a more educated one? Hang on. Lets assume your not a mujtahid. So what value would any of this information be to you? If you have not even studied the depths of mantiq, how can you assess what is induction and deduction? when is it analogical or figurative? What your asking for is like saying to the doctor, im not going to take the medication until you show me exactly how it works, all the peer review studies, and how you have determined that its best for me. If your not a doctor, you will simply not be able to understand the subject matter. The tafsir of the Aimma AS are in blue, I quoted them directly there for you. Im not sure how you missed them. I think you say this as you do not understand shia fiqh. You seem to think that there is a saying of a masoom for everything, and its just a matter of quoting the hadith and moving on. You may wish to do a search for usul al fiqh and take some time to appreciate the topic. Close. Here is the actual statement : H 150, Ch. 17, h12 It is narrated through the same chain of narrators from Muhammad ibn Ali in a marfu‘ manner from abu ‘Abd Allah , recipient of divine supreme covenant, who has said the following: “Beware of the branched-out lies.” They asked the Imam, ‘What are branched-out lies?’ The Imam replied, ‘It is when a person narrates a Hadith to you and you ignore him and narrate it from the person from whom he had narrated the Hadith.’ Just for correctness, you will note the isnad is problematic. The chapter and statements are discussing preserving the collections of hadiths, and preserving their meaning. As for fiqh, fiqh is not hadith. So there is no such concept of something being "illegal" if you dont narrate a hadith. I can see were your confusion has come from, but it only highlights the disaster of your position. You misunderstood the narration. The narration is saying that you cant claim to narrate from a person you have not met. eg. person A narrates to person B. You meet person B and they tell you a hadith from person A. You then narrate the hadith from person A, even though you never heard it from person A, you in fact heard it from person B. The issue here is that person B may be a liar and person A may have never said anything etc. This rule is well known in hadith and is narrated often eg Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from his father from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid from al-Nawfali from al-Sakuni from abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, who has said the following: “Amir al-Mu’minin, recipient of divine supreme covenant, has said, ‘When you narrate a Hadith you must say who its narrator is. If it is true it will be for you and if it is false it will be his (the narrator’s) responsibility. Now we can see the danger of you trying to guess religion, why not just either study and become an expert, or in the mean time, refer to an expert.
  13. If you have reached the level of knowing the hadith, quran, the abrogated from the abrogating, the context and history, as well as know the Arabic fluently, then go right ahead. Until then, refer to an expert. No one is saying "You have to do taqleed", all that is said is if you are not a mujtahid, then you should ask an expert, just like in every other walk of life. Like I have already mentioned, you position comes completely unstuck when you understand history, the position the Imams AS gave to the fuqaha, and particularly the 4 deputies. I dont know who Allah will punish or forgive. I do know that He says in the Quran : 9|122|It is not advisable for the believers to march out altogether. Of every division that marches out, let a group remain behind, to gain understanding of the religion, and to notify their people when they have returned to them, that they may beware. H 976, Ch. 89, h 1 Muhammad ibn Yahya has narrated from Muhammad ibn al-Husayn from Safwan from Ya‘qub ibn Shu‘ayb who has said the following: “Once I asked abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, ‘If something may happen to the Imam what should the people do?’ The Imam asked, ‘Where do the words of Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Gracious, apply: “Not all believers have to become specialists in religious learning. Why do not certain people from each group of believers seek to become specialists in religious learning, and after completing their studies, guide their group so that they will have fear of Allah.” (9:122) The Imam then said, ‘They will have good reason to be excused as long as they are searching and learning. So also are those who wait for them until they complete their religious education and return back to them.’” H 977, Ch. 89, h 2 Ali ibn Ibrahim has narrated from Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from Yunus ibn ‘Abd alRahman who has said that narrated to us Hammad from ‘Abd al-A‘la’ who has said the following: “Once I asked abu ‘Abd Allah, recipient of divine supreme covenant, about the statement of Sunni Muslims, al-‘Amma, that says the Messenger of Allah has said, ‘If a person dies without recognizing who his Imam is, his death is as if he has died the death of ignorance (pre-Islamic age of darkness).’ “The Imam said, ‘That is very true, by Allah.’ I then asked, ‘What if the Imam passes away and a person is in Khurasan and does not know who the executor of the will of the Imam is? Is this a good excuse for him?’ He (the Imam) said, ‘No, that is not a good reason and an excuse. When the Imam leaves this world the authority of the executor of his will applies to those who live in the area. Also the obligation of searching to learn about one’s duties applies to those who are not in the area but who have learned about the passing away of the Imam. Allah, the Most Majestic, the Most Gracious, has said, “Not all believers have to become specialists in religious learning. Why do not some people from each group of believers seek to become specialists in religious learning, and after completing their studies, guide their group so that they will have fear of Allah?”’ (9:122) You seem to have this bizarre notion that mujtihads fatwa are incompatible with the Quran and Sunnah as understood by the A'immah AS. This type of rumor is unfortunately widespread and based on ignorance, hence the general sigh of disappointment when threads like this start again. You would be best to understand how the shia fatawa is developed, there are some good threads on here as a start. I think jurisprudence made easy is a book covering this. You may also wish to study some mantiq.
  14. Is that what you think Taqleed is? Let me guess, your saying your doing taqleed of the imams AS and we are all just ignoring the Imams AS. I think I have seen to many of your types here, Im out !
  15. Listen, if you think the scholars of Najaf and Qom are all rubbish and you alone are the alim, then thats your problem. Just stop trying to be difficult and use your brain. When you have a problem, do you go to an expert? Its a simple question.
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