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    Question: PLASTIC + Oceans

    The vast dump of plastic waste swirling in the Pacific Ocean contains at least four times as much rubbish as previously estimated and covers an area more than twice the size of France, a study has found. https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/pacific-s-plastic-waste-zone-is-twice-as-large-as-france-2gdtlk5r8
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    Arrived at my wits end

    Well, then, know this: Prayer is the only industry in which failure is entirely the fault of the end user. Indeed, We created the human. We know the whisperings of his soul, and are closer to him than the jugular vein. (50.16) God is Infallible: everything that happens has turned out exactly as He planned. God is Omniscient: he needs no prayer, because He already knows what you want. The purpose of prayer is asking God to do what he would do anyway. So whether you pray or not, things will happen just as they would if you didn't pray. But if you believe that you can change God's mind, then you believe He is imperfect. If you believe that God can be influenced, than the God you believe is an Idol created by your mind and you are an idol-worshiper. Prayer is not an appeal to God for favours. It doesn't change the outside world, it only changes your abstract world. It reinforces your attitude. wslm. *
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    Arrived at my wits end

    The wise roman emperor Marcus Aurelius in his Meditations ( 9.40) suggests we stop praying for the things we want to happen, and try a new strategy: These days, so many of life’s troubles are out of our control; instead of praying for certain outcomes in your life, pray for freedom from fear , anger, envy, and desire so that you can handle things that come your way. Indeed, when you pray for strength, resilience, and the ability to navigate life’s stormy waters, you call upon yourself just as much as you call upon your God. Your request changes from passive to active. You begin to think of ways you can help your prayer along. So, don’t ask for a better life, ask for the will to make your life better. Good luck, :)
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    The Gods of Man

    The debate whether religious belief is innate or whether it boils down to parental/cultural indoctrination is still ongoing. I have even read some people call early indoctrination a form of child abuse. Apart from that, yours is a very nice post and I enjoyed reading it. Thank you for sharing. Best wishes. *
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    The Gods of Man

    According to the Oxford English Dictionary, "feral" has three meanings: "existing in a wild or untamed state"; "having returned to an untamed state from domestication"; and "of, or suggestive of, a wild animal; savage". By feral I mean 'existing in a wild state' ; by 'semi' I mean half. Half savages or something similar, I imagine prehistoric humans might be like that. Back tomorrow, have a good evening. *
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    The Gods of Man

    I really don't want another discussion on Evolution. What I would like to know is if there are any impossibilities or logical objections to things having happened the way I describe them. Thank you.
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    The Gods of Man

    Very witty, thanks for the laugh. It is the product of my mind, I have no reliable sources apart from ideas that came to me after reading books; for instance: The Golden bough by Sir James Fraser, The White Goddess by Robert Graves and The new Science by Giambattista Vico. I am perfectly confident that nothing I have said runs counter to the Theory of Evolution. You have either misunderstood what I have said or you do not understand evolution. I really don't want another discussion on Evolution, I mentioned a number of times that the proper debate about evolution occurs in scientific journals, laboratories, and the field, and by scientists only. There are no good arguments against evolution. If there were, they would get published in scientific journals, they do not. What I would like to know is if there are any impossibilities or logical objections to things having happened the I describe them. wslm. *
  8. I wrote this short piece over 10 years ago when I first began reading mythology; I accidentally came across it recently and repeat it here to see if it gets any comments. The Gods of Man, How some Gods evolved. (Just a personal opinion, needs expanding) A long, long time ago, when semi -feral human beings were roaming the forests and the planes, they were still unaware and uninterested in the logistics of the process of reproduction. Man, ignorant and confused by the nine months invisible gestation period in the womb, had not yet made the connection between individual sexual act and birth of the child. He believed that pregnancy was the work of an external agent like the wind that literally bloated, puffed up, and impregnated women. In other words, women’s pregnancy and subsequent birth were some form of sorcery. Females were mystical, mysterious and magic; goddesses were worshipped in great numbers. It wasn’t until humans began to keep and herd large animals that they observed, over a period of time, the cause and effect of stallion, ram and bull mounting their respective partners. Finally, they twigged and the penny dropped: each Man can father its own heirs! Effigies and statues of Ram-gods, Bull-gods, and Antelope-gods etc. were erected. The Patriarchy originates from then. Heroes, kings and chieftains could wage war in the knowledge that the gain would be for the benefit of their own heirs and tribe. The very first gods were images celebrating the potency of animals; early Mesopotamia is a fine example. These new Gods and old Goddesses lived side by side until agriculture and reliance on crops inspired a new set of godheads; and, observing what the Sky did when making love to Mother Earth: thunder, lightning and the rain that fertilized and made the crop grow was a much more impressive performance than any bull or ram could organize. The Sky/Thunder-god was born. Jehovah, Zeus, Thor, Haddad etc., were such gods. Jehovah, for instance, replaced an earlier goddess Sheol (means: womb, hell); she was banished to the underworld and to this day we somehow believe that Hell is a big cavern underground and it is also why God has little jurisdiction in hell. (R. Graves: White Goddess) The next generation of Gods was the so called “dying gods” or solar/priapic gods: Osiris, Tammuz, Mithras, Dionysus, Jesus; These younger gods do what the sun does: dies and resurrects. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sky_deity https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dying-and-rising_deity
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    Hello SMHA, are you back from holidays? You are correct, nothing in this world can be proved with absolute certainty and yes, not even the most cutting edge scientists alive can't do more than just guess. But I have more respect for their guesses than the assurances from clerics / priests, regardless of religion. The Big Bang theory is the prevailing cosmological model for the universe from the earliest known periods through its subsequent large-scale evolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Big_Bang We need not "trust" the authority of "science". We can check their work. We can look at their data. Since we CAN do this, it is reasonable to trust them. Science is self-correcting, even if it takes years. Religions and beliefs are not self-correcting. Science is endowed with a self-correcting mechanism. The U-Turns of Science were made by Science. Finally, Science works. Aeroplanes fly. Bridges built by engineers stay up. Treatment by doctors cures diseases. The proof is in the science technology we are swimming in. The rest of your post is just your usual confused, irrelevant gibberish. Keep well. *
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    The definition I gave coincides with the Dictionary definition of Universe, how can it be a straw-man fallacy? See for yourself: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/universe Anyway, not to worry I didn't expect you to accept anything I said, we are probably talking past eachother. Thanks for the conversation, Best wishes. *
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    Apologies for my late response, free time seems hard to find these days. I have made a longer post to explain my thinking, of course I don't expect you to agree. There are many entries on google search relating to the Singularity. Scientists believe that the initial singularity was a singularity of high density thought to have contained all of the mass and space-time of the Universe before quantum fluctuations caused it to rapidly expand in the Big Bang and subsequent inflation, causing the formation of the present-day Universe. I will tell you what in my opinion are some of the problems with the 'Contingency' argument : Definition: The universe is everything that exists and that ever existed, it is the sum of all existents. It consists of causes and effects. Composition Fallacy If you say that it is not necessary because everything in the universe is contingent therefore the universe is contingent", that is much like saying every novel in existence has an author therefore Literature has an author. Special Pleading "Everything, had a beginning. Except for God. Why does "God" not have to have a beginning but the universe does? By positing "god" on the other side of the equation you have only moved the question back one more step. "What caused God?" Baseless assertion and God of the gaps "That First cause is what religious people call 'God'." When faced with an unanswered question people have always made up supernatural entities to give themselves an answer. Some people don't accept ready-made answers to unanswered questions, especially if they involve entities who nobody can see. Assuming the consequent "God" is without beginning and without end, therefore God doesn't have to have a cause. This is asserting the very thing in question, trying to slip it into the argument. Believers are eager to accept this sort of unsound logical mind-trick. Sceptics recognize it for what it is, old fashioned circular logic. What is worse is that after all is said and done about Contingency nothing is achieved because you still cannot prove Omniscience, Omnipotence, Benevolence etc etc. Also, if you cannot you show that the head of the chain of contingency has the ability to create then calling this head of the chain a "Creator" is simply you being unrealistic. The whole argument is unsatisfactory and not virtuous because we are still left with two options: It is possible, but not proven, that such an event could happen through supernatural means. It is possible, but not proven, that such an event could happen under purely naturalistic circumstances, We have therefore two entities competing for the position of "eternal and uncreated." For one of them, we have vast evidence that it really exists. For the other, we have no evidence at all. This is why an "eternal and uncreated universe" is a vastly superior answer to the question of ultimate reality than an "eternal and uncreated god." At least as far as the evidence is concerned. wslm. *
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    When God acted to create He entered into time, of necessity, now having a past and a present. Before, During and After Creation are three moments in Time. God is conscious and conscious beings make decisions which are changes from one state of mind to another and all changes take Time. I consider it blatantly obvious that If God changes his mind from ‘undecided’ to ‘decided’ that Time must pass. 'Existence outside time' is one of those oxymorons like 'military intelligence' or 'government work', I'm afraid.
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    Which means that something must have always existed. The only logical thing one can draw from this observation is that the universe as we see it today is itself the result of the rearrangement of existing material. wslm. *
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    First of all let me tell you that I like your post, neat and concise. With some objections. Moving all the way back 14 billion years ago it might well be stated that the universe was caused and it is an effect of the big bang. And it can be inferred that the big bang was an effect of the singularity. What cannot be said is that the singularity was an effect or had a beginning. Right now there is not enough information to declare with any certainty what it was. There are many theories. Nobody knows what existed before the big bang and in which direction the arrow of time moved, it may have been regress or progress or complete chaos. Infinite regress or traversing the infinite is speculative philosophy, not physics. In physics, the idea of cause-effect relationships just doesn't describe reality very well. In fact, it isn't even clear that the traversal of time is anything but an illusion. For example, in General Relativity, space-time is described as a single entity (called a manifold). This entity doesn't traverse time, and neither does anything within it. It just exists across all time and space. A photon has no sense of time. It can traverse any distance you care to imagine in no time whatsoever, with respect to its reference frame. A necessary cause does not need to be God; a starting point doesn't need to be supernatural. Possible candidates for the role of Cause include: Plato's demiurge; a new age Force (Star Wars may the force be with you); space aliens from another galaxy; time travellers; an unknown intelligent being; the God of Islam; Hindu God etc..etc.. Please let me know how you think it became Allah, what logic have you used to conclude He is benevolent,omnipotent, omniscient, and the many other things that are essential to being God. So if your named God is first cause or necessary being when and where did he exist prior to the existence of the universe? What was He doing before creation? Why wait so long? (Verses from the Quran have no relevance in a philosophical discussion) wslm. *
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    Why God Does Not Need a Cause?

    What, in your view, has began to exist from nothing? Can you name something to illustrate your point? wslm *
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