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  1. Your favourite 'saying' ..proverb.

    A saying rather than a proverb. It may become one. The model Kate Moss was (allegedly) asked 'how do you manage to stay so thin?' She replied: Nothing tastes as nice as skinny feels.
  2. Predestination

    Sorry for the late reply, I am non-religious. Which should explain why I have no answer for your other question. Have a great weekend. *
  3. Predestination

    A 'Creator' that does not know and is not in control or fully aware of the future consequences of his creative act is not a God, he is an irresponsible, capricious entity. A Perfect Being cannot change its mind - To change is to be subject to time, and to change implies that what comes after was better than before, which would contradict God's perfection. If God changes from one state of mind to another, then there must be a reason. The new state must be better than the old state. But this is impossible if God is perfect: It is not possible to "improve" God, therefore, God will not change anything. Are you saying that God basically throws the "dice" already knowing the result but the "dice" have a choice? God's knowledge is infallible. 1. God knows you will pick the blue one. 2. If God knows you will pick the blue one, you will pick the blue one. 3. You will pick the blue one. (or His knowledge was wrong) Just a couple of points to spice up the interesting conversation. wslm. *
  4. Your favourite 'saying' ..proverb.

    So true..! But 'What cannot be cured must be endured' Another saying(to change the subject) The greatest glory is not never to fall down..but to get up every time you fall. *
  5. I love sayings, proverbs, old wives tales; they are little cameos of knowledge and sometimes wisdom. By way of example, here's a couple I like: You wouldn't enjoy the sun if it weren't for the clouds- Only the wearer knows where the shoe pinches- In the end, all the knots come to the comb- Do you have any good ones? I'd love to read them. Thank you. *
  6. Predestination

    This is one of the many religious paradoxes. God knows your future, has known it from the moment He decided to create. Is it possible to do other than what God knows you will do ? *
  7. Predestination

    The Imam is wrong, "Free will" cannot be "partial". By definition one's "will" is either "free" or controlled. No half-position exists for this concept. What Andres asked is a good question, pity you dismiss it so quickly. All Islamic scholars (Shia included) accept the Law of Causality, also known as the Principle of Sufficient Reason: everything that exists exists for a reason and that reason is God. If everything that exists has a ‘reason’ for its existence and the source of that reason is ‘random chance’ then you do have some free will. But if the source of that ‘reason’ is God then you have no free will. Omar Khayyam: "I came not hither of my own free will, And go against my wish, a puppet still; When Allah mixed my clay He knew full well My future acts, and could each one foretell; Without His will no act of mine was wrought; Is it then just to punish me in hell?" wslm. *
  8. Ice, water and steam is an example often used because they are three different states of the one thing. Unfortunately, which ever way you describe it, The Trinity construct remains a hopelessly tortured concept; with one God, temporarily sacrificing a part of itself, to its other self, for the sins of his creation that he knew would happen when he created it.
  9. Is YHWH the same as Allah?

    El and Yahweh were two different Gods. Psalm 82:1: Elohim has taken his place in the assembly of EL, in the midst of the elohim He holds judgment. Psalm 29:1: Ascribe to Yahweh, O sons of EL, ascribe to Yahweh glory and strength. Psalm 89:6: For who in the skies can be compared to Yahweh, who among the sons of EL is like Yahweh.
  10. Nobody is judging or questioning a Higher Intellect, which has never been proven to exist. What one is questioning is the flawed interpretations that clerics and priests, without proper or proven divine mandate, choose to attribute to divinities of their own fantasy. Remember Amun · Anubis · Aten · Horus · Isis · Osiris · etc.. or maybe Zeus, Poseidon, Hera, Demeter, Hestia, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Dionysus, Hermes etc.. Viking Gods, Aztec Gods. And many many more. All that priests need is for you to believe them and they will exploit your mind and your purse. They have done so throughout history. You will fail to understand even this.. *
  11. I don't need to prove or disprove anything, I never tried to prove that God is evil. you are putting words in my mouth. What I said is: An All-powerful God CAN create a sufferingless existence, therefore THIS existence is NOT NECESSARY. You believe in a God who created unnecessary suffering. If there is free will in Heaven where there is no evil or suffering, then it cannot be true that God lets evil exist because it is a required side-effect of free will. So, God *can* create a world without suffering. If you can't dazzle them with brilliance, baffle them with a parable... As I said earlier: If your position includes an omnipotent, omniscient God creating people, then he's ultimately responsible for their behaviour. Theology claims that God is the cause of all causes. A 'Creator' that is not in control or fully aware of the future consequences of his creative act is not a God, he is an irresponsible, capricious entity. If a God is benevolent, He would always choose the path that causes most good and the least suffering. A creation with evil and sin and pain is unarguably worse than a creation of greatness and perfection. An almighty creator who desires the maximal well-being of humans certainly does not exist, because an almighty creator who is unable to accomplish goals without human suffering cannot be Omnipotent or Benevolent. Anyway my thanks to ali_fatheroforphans and to you for talking to me, I can see this will go nowhere but circles...so I'll call it a day. Best wishes *
  12. God, is usually described by believers as Omnipotent, Omniscient, and Benevolent Benevolence is the desire for good, the desire that there not be evil, it implies the will to remove evil. An All-powerful God CAN create a sufferingless existence, therefore THIS existence is NOT NECESSARY. You believe in a God who created unnecessary suffering. The visible amount of misery/suffering/pain in this world is really not compatible with the God in the benevolent form described by organised religions. If your position includes an omnipotent, omniscient God creating people, then he's ultimately responsible for their behaviour. Always Jam tomorrow... According to Organised Religions God exists, and always acts toward the greatest good. 1. God is Benevolent. 2. God is Almighty. 3. God is Omniscient. 4. If God is all Benevolent, Almighty and Omniscient then there is no evil. 5. There is suffering/evil. The above set of propositions in inconsistent, i.e. they cannot all be true; it is impossible that they are all true. If God is really Benevolent then He must eliminate evil and suffering, if He is Omniscient He knows how to eliminate it and if He is Almighty he can eliminate it. Yet Evil/suffering exists and has always existed ...no lesson has ever changed anything. wslm. *
  13. In the Bible: I form the light, and create darkness: make peace, and create evil : I the LORD do all these things.(Isaiah 45:7) In the Quraan: SHAKIR: 113.001 Say: I seek refuge in the Lord of the dawn, 113.002: From the evil of what He has created, "Allah is the Creator of all things, and He is, over all things, Disposer of affairs."[Quran 39:62] *
  14. I am convinced that one day you will surprise me by saying something relevant.
  15. A better teacher is the one who teaches the exact same lesson without resorting to the use of pain/suffering/discomfort, etc etc. Benevolence is the desire for good, the desire that there not be suffering/evil. It implies the will to remove suffering. If God wanted to remove suffering without removing free will, it would happen in a heartbeat with perfect consistency. For an entity of infinite power, knowledge and goodness, nothing would be necessary apart from its will. Or perhaps you are saying that God uses suffering, since without it there are things he can't do? If God needs to use evil/suffering, then God cannot be omnipotent. Nothing is necessary to an omnipotent entity. You might think about that?
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