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  1. Judgmental Shias

    Absolutely irrelevant to my point. Really, I could have sworn I said something along the lines of "I treat others the way they treat me". You ain't a victim here, you started off by being rude to me, so I return the favor. Glad to know we both believe in this concept. Just like how a parent will always defend their child, even if the child is a spoilt brat. Not saying the OP is a spoilt brat, but you get what I mean. Denying it only confirms my suspicions.
  2. Judgmental Shias

    Ahh, classical. Ahh yes, all it take is the verbosity of Gaius and all of a sudden you can just magically claim you that you totally didn't mean to insult other people and that they all somehow lack the proper IQ to understand the beauty of such verbosity. Are you sure you are not just defending people for the sake of it? Also, I hope you can see the glaring contradictions between your latest response to me and this comment below.
  3. Judgmental Shias

    My oh my, such strong emotions. Perhaps the one with issues concerning their feelings might be you, again. Consistency is the key. Insult me all you want, but when you say things like this but then somehow think you can insult me. Me thinks perhaps you need to work on being consistent. You know, making sure that what you type out does not immediately contradict itself in the next sentence.
  4. Judgmental Shias

    Essentially you made a big rant about how we shouldn't be judging people, but then you proceed to judge me by calling me a misogynist. And then you make further and further rants about how judging is bad, while further being condescending to me. Man, talk about inconsistency. You know, next time when you decide to rant about something, make sure you actually adhere to the advice you give in your rant. I could care less if you insult me, but what I dislike is when you simultaneously then decry "don't judge people!!!". And of course I am going to respond to people who defend your shenanigans on this topic. And to be honest I am disappointed in both of those people who defended you, I thought it was a given you two were supposed to be more pious than me. But then even both of you managed to somehow roll out the ad-hominems and defend the OP. Bruh, after all the shenanigans you pulled, this advice applies to you the most out of everyone here. Especially since more harsher words could be used to describe the inconsistency in your posts. One minute "don't judge people!!!", next minute "You are a misogynist!" or "You are religiously immature!". lol. My irritation is from inconsistent people like you. Who think they can one minute make some emotional post about why judging people is bad, but then the next minute are either mocking or harshly judging someone. In real life I take part in religious debates. But the difference is none of these people who judge me or insult me claim they are religous, pious, self-righteous. They admit they give zero cares about triggering someone, insulting their feelings, or judging them. So I could care less about their judgements or comments. Heck, at times when they judge me and it turns out they were right about something concerning me, then I heed said judgements. Just be like Monad, a guy who never claims to be religious, pious, or cares about not judging people, yet still mocks people and judges them. Dude has insulted me before on other topics, but the reason I don't care is because he at least in the same breath doesn't say things like "Don't judge people!!!".
  5. Judgmental Shias

    Man. Talk about Judgement. Perhaps try addressing my points instead of just screaming "ignorance!" Coming from you and the rude behavior you have shown towards me (not that I care), I guess this is a case of the pot calling the kettle black. And calling me religiously immature(not that I care), where did all that talk of no judgement go? Call me what you want, but I value consistency. If you make whole rants dedicated to not judging people, the least you could do is follow up on that behavior. Bruh, in what world is "women of higher SES are not modest" not generic? For reference: https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/generics/ And really, is it that illogical to assume women who are richer tend to be more self-absorbed (men also)? Most of the women on my mom's side are pretty wealthy, guess what? They aren't that religious. But the women on my Dad's side? They either grew up in poor conditions or are currently either lower income or lower middle class. Guess what? They are pretty religious. I see this all the time with other Desi families I know, and if such a behavior is so common evidently a sociological observation is not taboo. "Additionally, since you are so convinced of this illogical theory, then why doesn't he just take away all the money from these high-class women - problem solved. Let me know if the logic is too hard to follow." Bruh, that is what happened initally. But of course, a lot of them got away via immigrating to western countries. Perhaps maybe the Iranian Diaspora spreading propoganda against Iran and hate Iran just coincidentally happen to be uber rich? "Being religiously immature, you don't get it - no one likes to be reprimanded in public." Ahh, I suppose you can't see the glaring contradiction now can you? On the one hand you mock me by calling me religiously immature, but then you say people ought to not be reprimanded in public. I don't care what new inventive labels you throw at me, but try to be consistent. "Even the quran uses characteristics rather than personalities when admonishing people" Do you have a scholarly tafsir to back that up? This response of yours was in reference to a response I made to this response of yours: I suppose this phrase has absolutely zero undertones meant to mock the recipient? Those in glass houses shouldn't be throwing stones, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ruhollah_Khomeini#Mystique (yes I know it is wikipedia but it does cite its sources and are verifiable) So then, good to know that Ayatollah Khomeini was on the haqq when he drafted things like the modesty law, among other laws. Here: http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi= Nothing makes one amass wealth except greed, and the greedy is wretched and dispraised. 19ـ لايجمع المال إلا الحرص ،والحريص شَق مذْموم - https://www.al-islam.org/printpdf/book/export/html/36599 Not a wrong reference, American's literally invoke the Constitution and Bill of rights to regulate their morality and their day to day lives. Heck, things like Gay marriage among other things were moral issues that now have become state controllled. I am suprised an American would say such a thing about the US. On paper, this is what the US claims to do, but in reality the government is increasingly getting involved in the personal affairs of people. Islamic governments operate in a different matter. In the sense that they reserve the right to enforce that which if not enforced details a negative influence amongst the greater public. So in regards to prayer, since it is something personel (except for Juma), you not praying will not affect the general public. But, for example if you are caught drinking in public or showing your awrah in public. You can forcibly be made to obey the Islamic law, because you are negatively affecting the greater public. "egalitarian misogynist" So I am apparently in favor of gender equality but I hate women? Try checking back with this phrase of yours. Call me what you want and give as many proofs, I don't care. But perhaps realize the contradictory nature of your statements. On the one hand you mock me by calling me a misogynist, but then you say people ought to not judge each other. I don't care what new inventive labels you throw at me, but try to be consistent. In other words, call me a misogynist all you want, but you better not be claiming that you don't like judging people or that you are against judging people. You aren't. Of course I called you misogynist What else do you call a person who says, " And I wouldn't be too worried about these rebel women. All of them are either upper middle class or just edgy adolescent girls. Western media dare not try to depict your average lower middle class or low class Iranian woman (most women in Iran come from a lower middle class SES) now would they? " Well if their were men who were rebellious about their hijab, then yes I would call both of them rebels. Difference is most men aren't rebellious against Iran regarding the modesty laws, but yet women are. Oh, and the edgy adolescent guys also advocate for haram things as well. And I don't hate just rich women, but rich men as well. Rich men and women both tend to be less religious, but men and women manifest their disobedience to God differently. Men manifest it by being womanizers mostly (see the numerous sunni caliphs and aristocracy throughout history) and women manifest it by indulging in immodesty among other things.
  6. Judgmental Shias

    Wow. Just wow. Do you even reflect on what you write? Literally everything you wrote contradicts itself. Consistency. Consistency is the key. In other words, follow your own advice.
  7. Judgmental Shias

    Come on now, don't be lazy. Comb through each and every one of my posts in the first page to prove your point. Else... Ahh, but can I also use what is essentially ad-hominems to describe you lot when you happen to fit the Bill? Or will your feelings get offended? Call me what you want, I don't care. But I take issue with those who think they can essentially character assassinate me and not expect to be insulted back. And from my vantage and your post history. You seem to fit the definition of a misandrist, no? Yes, that would make you self-hating. Those who label others as misogynistic are often times themselves misandrists. And heck, some feminists acknowledge this reality and proudly proclaim they are misandrists. https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.psychologytoday.com/blog/understanding-the-erotic-code/201608/misandry-the-invisible-hatred-men%3famp To use your own language against you. Don't be coy with me, I know you are steaming right now. You can't have been any thing other than above boiling point when you use such language as "camel frothing at the mouth". Gotta be above 100 Celsius right now. As for the OP's claim about socioeconomic status, this may be long but give it a go: https://academic.oup.com/socrel/article/71/1/25/1622317
  8. Judgmental Shias

    Ahh, I would anticipate it takes some strong emotional investment to make such colorful depictions of my supposed state of anger. Unless you happen to naturally be as verbose as Shakespeare. And the OP literally called me a mysognist. Another term that is sociological in origin that people constantly misuse and is highly politicised. He literally used that term to dismiss my points. But I guess I haven't gotten on your good side yet. So... And the OP isn't ranting as Well? His whole spiel about how socioeconomic status having zero to do with religiosity. Really now, that wasn't a rant? And him calling me a mysognist, that wasn't him raving?
  9. Judgmental Shias

    Seriously, even though he started this whole thing by calling me a misogynist and made multiple childish sarcastic remarks. Really now... And the OP saying his points without insulting me...Really? Are you for real? I challenge you to go back and show me where I insulted him first before he used an ad-hominem against me. In what world is the term mysognist not used as an ad-hominem? And you say a lot but give no evidence. To whom did I throw under the bus? Dude can call me a misogynist but apparently shame on me for doubting his akhlaq and saying he might be an ally for women? Are you for real? The former is a compliment believe it or not according to liberals. The latter is a common insult used by everyone nowadays. I may not have good akhlaq, but I treat people the way they treat me. If you are going to throw ad-hominems at me. Then I will throw them back at you. The OP was clearly hurling ad-hominems at me, so I hurled them back.
  10. SC Addiction?

    Thanks. But I also treasure this advice just as much: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-N0yXGVWS1Y
  11. Ideal Looks of a Couple

    @Intellectual Resistance Thanks for the advice. But I think a "not so attractive" person such as myself can be masculine as it were. Just gotta find a wife who is at my level of attractiveness (which isn't enough) than me or on my same level and I'm set for the rest of my life. Lol
  12. SC Addiction?

    Yep. Lol
  13. My "husband" wanted to use me for visa

    Correct. But with the current rising trend of women taking on the negative things men do, it's only a matter of time until this issue also becomes an egalitarian one. Give it another 20-25 years. This will be an egalitarian issue as well. The irony of it all.
  14. SC Addiction?

    Nah, I would much rather talk to you guys in real life. That would be way more fun. Since I want to see the discrepancy between the online personas you guys have and how you actually are in real life. And I can assure you guys I try to have little difference between my online persona and the me in real life. Also back in my day, the internet used to be a gathering place of unattractive and ugly men and women looking to connect and socialize(myself included). Which raises the question as to why all y'all attractive men and women, and married men and women are on here?
  15. Yeah but won't the 12th Imam (AS) come back and conquer the globe? I don't see an issue with that. Nor would I have an issue with those who assert the prophet conquering was a bad thing. As long as conquering is left in the hands of those who are infallible, then no one should take issue with such conquests. The irony is that the western world celebrates the conquests of the Greeks and Romans. And heck, westerners are still prideful of the conquests their countries did when they became colonial powers. The British for example look back on the days of the British Empire with fondness and pride. Despite hypocritslly claiming they are against conquests in the modern day and age.
  16. Same reason Hazrat Dawud (AS) fought and conquered.
  17. Iranians Openly Declare Atheism

    Well actually those in the lower echelons of Iranian society supported the revolution the most and support the concept of wilayat e faqih the most. If anyone is to complain of oppression and suffering. It is the working class. And not the office jobs, the jobs that no one wants to do but they have to be done. http://leader.ir/en/content/20677/Ayatollah-Khamenei's-meeting-with-organizers-of-the-martyrs-congress I am asking honestly, Have you suffered the way they have? In general have you suffered? Known what it was like to live in the lower classes of society? Now I haven't suffered in the senses above. (Unless you count being diagnosed with Ulcerative colitis at the age of 5 and being in and out of hospitals until I was 12 years old). But I know someone in my life who has suffered at least from poverty and being in the lower echelons of society when he was younger. My father. And the unfair things he had to go through in life, and yet he still is the most religious layman I know. So I like to learn from him about what it is like to truly suffer. You might as well question Allah (nauzibillah) why he let Imam Husain (AS) and his family suffer during the events of Karbala?
  18. Iranians Openly Declare Atheism

    Not really. They are all either upper middle class or just edgy. Far from being oppressed, these people have never suffered a day in their life. Why don't you go ask the Rohingya what they think of Allah? Ask the Palestinians, ask the Yemenis, heck ask the Iran-Iraq war Iranian veterans about suffering?
  19. Judgmental Shias

    Nah, I mean this https://medium.com/athena-talks/how-to-be-a-great-male-ally-in-the-feminist-movement-843f5ef2b550 Ah, clearly you weren't aware of the buzz around ayatollah Khomeini when he was alive. That is what the "but" meant. I could make a joke her, but your feelings though... So do you oppose Khomeini's laws? Is it just your feelings and personal interpretations of fiqh that cause you to oppose the concept of a morality police? What? Now who's the one using exceptions... https://academic.oup.com/socrel/article/71/1/25/1622317 This entire article is full of evidence that as SES increases then religiosity decreases. As does obedience to God. See the graphs below. So inherently all Americans are bad and they need the government to regulate their interpretation of the bill of rights, US constitution, etc for them. Correct? The Quran is our US constitution, the fiqh is our bill of rights. And as such we don't let anyone come along and interpret these. For 1000+ years scholars have been implementing this regulation over layman. Theocracy the likes of in Iran now are not new. Scholars have always had jurisdiction and regulation over matters like this. Whether it was the Ottomans, the Safavids, etc. Unless don't tell me you are an Akhbari...
  20. Judgmental Shias

    Bruh calm down, the phrase "ally to women" was literally spoken to me and my entire class by my liberal sociology teacher. (I have to take sociology classes for the MCAT). I literally asked her after class what it meant and she explained its meaning as a term coined recently by feminists. And I assumed since most of you are college aged or went through college I assume such terms were hammered into your head, and it's abbreviation. But for more info: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socioeconomic_status And not sure what you meant by ranting and raving...
  21. Judgmental Shias

    Mashallah, what good Iman. You say that like I care about hurting people's feelings with the truth. In theory that sounds like all bunnies and chocolate. But in reality it saves no one. The munafiqoons feelings got hurt no matter how general the prophet spoke. And the munafiqoon were given towards punishment later regardless. Be as general as you want, people's feelings still get hurt. Be as general as you want, people will still be punished for their wrong actions. Just like how ayatollah Khamenai will speak very generally concerning immodestly dressed women. But at the end of the day those women who dress immodestly in Iran are still punished regardless via fining or jailing depending on occurrences of immodesty. And the feelings of these immodestly dressed women still get hurt by ayatollah Khamenai's words no matter how general he spoke. Lol, that the first though that comes to mind? Re-evaluate whether this statement makes any sense for grown as heck woman to say and think. Especially back then. Ahh yes, in other words you had no idea what you were talking about before. So now you throw out indirect ad-hominems to cover this up. Great akhlaq. No really, good job. Keep it up.
  22. Judgmental Shias

    Nah bruh, not that kind of nice guy. Correct me if I am wrong, but you might be described as being an "ally to women". Also implying Khomeini era laws=/Islamic laws. Not to say that Ayatollah Khomeini was an infallible Imam. But... Bruh, you still don't get it. Just because someone due to their SES has a predisposition to think a certain way, doesn't make it right. That is just like saying you shouldn't be taxing rich people because they will subvert their taxes anyway and think they are above paying taxes. But no one cares about that and they still expect to have rich people pay taxes, else the rest of society suffers financially. Same thing with modesty, no one should care how women with a higher SES are obsessed with beautification. They are expected to follow the rules of modesty like every other woman, else the rest of society will suffer as well socially. And just like how the US government began policing its economy so another great depression wouldn't happen. Same thing with Iran, and any other Muslim country Shia or Sunni. If they don't have the government act as the moral police, this society will be doomed to moral degradation. Reminiscent of the western world post secularism.
  23. Judgmental Shias

    Being general nowadays is considered as offensive as being specific. And I remember even scholars mentioning that everything the Imams and prophet said being in context. Meaning when the prophet spoke harshly, he had a target audience in mind. He did not just say things that had no applicability to those around him. The prophet did not have to say names, because everybody at that time knew to whom he was referring to. And these women knew the prophets advice was directed towards them. You might say "well it's still different!" But really? Is it that much different? Especially for women, indirectly implying xyz women are like blank is as if you told them right in their face they are like blank. And some women even prefer you just mention their names rather than speak in generalities and beat around the bush. And do you not think the woman at his time upon hearing the prophets statements felt offended? They were probably incredibly offended, thinking "why did the prophet talk about women like me that way?" Okay then, show me an exception concerning women and modesty. Go ahead, teach me.
  24. Judgmental Shias

    Not everything requires this attitude when doing AbM or NaM. For example, modesty. Since there are narrators showing the prophet and Imams being not so kind towards those who violated modesty. Such as the prophet commenting on women who wear those camel hump hijabs, and women who wear perfume in public. And even a narration that discusses women who wear tight clothes. And due to this is the reason why in Iran women who disobey modesty can be fined and multiple offenses result in jailing. But then consider Mutah. Something brothers and sisters are so riled up about and even in this website they will harshly judge those who do Mutah. But yet the Imams (AS) did not show such judgement and harshness towards those who did Mutah. Even though Mutah was more popular during the Imams time than it is nowadays. Point is, regarding AbM and NaM, we are harsh against those sins and sinful people the prophet (PBUH) and Imams (AS) were harsh against. And we invoke mercy against those sins and sinful people the Imams and prophet invoked mercy against. The phrase "We are harsh against that which Allah and his last messenger (PBUH) made permissible and easygoing with that which was forbidden by Allah and his last messenger " cannot be more true in this day and age.
  25. My "husband" wanted to use me for visa

    Salaam, Honestly I would advise doing what my male relative did after being used the way he was. Move on and find a better person to be with. Now, for my male relative this was very very hard and my family had to pitch in and push him along the way. But he eventually found a very good wife and now has kids. And his wife tries her best to be there for him and was a key factor in him going from being a depressed mess to the happy humble man he is nowadays. Now for him the pain never vanished, but he is at least able to let such pains remain in the past and focus on his wife and kids. So I hope that you can benefit from the life experience my male relative went through. Once again, it was not at all easy for him. And he even developed PDD (persistent depressive disorder), but what he had and what I hope you will have is a supportive family/extended family and a good future spouse who helps you to heal. If you want to figure out how to find such a man, I would suggest asking the sisters here who are happily married. They should be able to give you tips and tricks. But also I would ask Allah as well for help and be humbled by Allah's decision for you.