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  1. What are your favorite Lip Balm Flavors?

    Oh..... he thought I said shia oops
  2. @hasanhh Ahhh! You beat me to it, I was just about to post this. Very curious as to what the general consensus is on this topic. Islamically, that is. Were talking about a promise to access the direct source code of life......and from a scientific and ethical standpoint, it seems like a game of unintended consequences. At least thats what I've been reading. An example, the elimination of mosquitoes, ergo, the end of malaria. But what about the bats that rely on mosquitoes for food? Then what? Habitat manipulation? Things can get really ugly, really fast. And to all those preaching science!!! Slow ur roll, as with all things, human greed has found its way into CRISPR which has apparently been patented, locking in royalties worth billions, or potentially trillions depending on how crazy the scientific community gets with it. Money money money.
  3. Hell cannot be eternal?

    No need to get all fussy, ad hominem after ad-hominem. Calm yourself, I won't even bother with a constructive counter argument, you don't reflect. I will leave you with this, your quote "even a child knows that the only ones granted paradise will be the muslims" clearly showing your mindset, one that needs changing. You should first understand that Islam teaches us that No Religion can Monopolize Salvation True Islam recognizes that no one religion holds a monopoly over salvation. The Holy Quran clearly supports this belief as it declares, This verse demonstrates that it is not just Muslims who will receive the rewards of their good deeds. Jews, and Christians, and Sabians those who are of non-Abrahamic religions will all be rewarded for their good deeds and their faith. Indeed, it is impossible for Muslims to declare a monopoly on salvation when the Holy Quran clearly states that those of other religions who do good deeds will have no fear. True Islam recognizes that the right to decide who goes to heaven and who goes to hell is one that is exclusive to God. Human beings Muslims or otherwise cannot make this decision. Likewise, the Holy Quran states, The Holy Quran is likewise clear that God’s grace and mercy are His most powerful attributes: Therefore, True Islam recognize that ultimately, God’s mercy will encompass all human beings, regardless of their faith. Indeed, True Islam teaches that if mercy were not one of the attributes of God, no one would be delivered. Therefore, True Islam rejects any type of a monopoly on salvation. One that you seem to be preaching, no?
  4. Pretty simple, does our religion preach such? When we really zoom out and look at the other two main abrahamic religions, the concept of hell is present, but is it eternal? Are we not all ultimately saved by gods grace? @Qasim Rashid (OF) has had me on a loop with this topic, quote' “Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?” “Yes, absolutely,” he replied. “Is hell eternal?” “Yes, absolutely,” he replied again. “So, a merciful, compassionate, and just God would send a finite creature with finite knowledge of sins to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?” Any refutations? 1. Rejection of eternal hell Proponents of the “eternal hell” theory often cite three verses to support their position. First, Qur’an 5:38,“They will wish to come out of the Fire, but they will not be able to come out of it, and they shall have a lasting punishment.” Second, 4:138, “Those who believe, then disbelieve, then again believe, then disbelieve, and then increase in disbelief, Allah will never forgive them nor will He guide them to the way.” Finally, 5:73, “Surely, whoso associates partners with Allah, him has Allah forbidden Heaven, and the Fire will be his resort.” In claiming these verses establish eternal hell, such proponents commit at least five errors. First, they translate azaabummukeem in Qur’an 5:38 as “never ending” instead of “lasting.” Arabic lexicon holds that azaabummukeem here does not mean “never ending” but instead “very long.” It takes a middle ground — hell is limited, but lasting enough that people will want to escape and will be made to stay longer. Second, eternal hell theorists ignore Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” This also establishes the scope of 4:138 cited above to apply only as long as a person remains in disbelief — which will not extend beyond this life. Qur’an 39:54 says, “. . . despair not of the mercy of Allah, surely Allah forgives all sins. Verily He is Most Forgiving, Merciful.” In reading the Qur’an as a whole, rather than in isolated fragments, it is clear that God forgives all sins. Finally, taking the phrase “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace. 2. Gods grace Like the Bible, the Qur’an teaches that faith without works is dead. Ultimately, however, Islam teaches that we are saved by God’s grace. Islam teaches that as Master of the universe, God bestows his grace on whomsoever he pleases for whatever reason he pleases — without need for sacrifice. Our works are not for God, but for humanity’s benefit. Thus, as God’s grace ultimately saves us, hell cannot remain eternal. 3. Monopolization of salvation It is not for humans to say how God will judge. Indeed, no guarantee or promise exists that every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise. The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.” Islam also teaches that hell is not designed for torment, but reform. All must first be cleansed of sin before entering paradise. This cleansing may be of incorrect beliefs — held by non-Muslims and misguided Muslims — or for sinful actions. Hell is the reformatory abode for purification after death. Qur’an 101:9-10 declares, “But as for him whose scales are light [upon judgment], hell will be his nursing mother.” This verse makes no distinction between a believer and a nonbeliever. Yes, Islam teaches that hell is a painful experience, but Islam defines hell as a nursing mother designed to purge sin before admitting a soul to paradise Lastly..... God is not sadistic. If hell is eternal, the only logical conclusion is that God is sadistic. Consider this: if God is all-knowing, then surely He would know before He created a being whether that being would receive eternal hell. Yet, grace and mercy are God’s greatest attributes in the Qur’an, followed by his justice. The idea that the Creator of the universe would demand eternal damnation for the sins of an insignificantly few years by comparison is perhaps the greatest argument against God. If any creator is that ungracious, unmerciful, and unjust to knowingly create a soul only to torment that soul for eternity, then such a being displays such immorality that even wild beasts are above it. Such a being is many things — sadistic, unjust, immoral– but God it is not.
  5. What are you like

    Not sure how I come off on Shiachat, I do rant quite a bit on here, but the vast majority (98%) of my instructors, professors, and employers; past, present and most likely future, have made it quite clear that they think I'm prideful and arrogant. Im starting to think it was a self defense mechanism that stemmed from something when I was a child, and it just stuck and progressed with time. Family hasn't shied away from these assertions either. Whenever I hear it im just like, Edit: I just took pride in this post ^ ) :
  6. Forgive me in advance, but what does a Lamborghini have to do with an islamic forum?
  7. The beast of the earth (Dab'bat al-Ard) is the holy land, not some animal, no? One should always reflect over verses from the holy book and hadiths, they are sometimes meant to be symbolic and metaphorical. How did we come tot he conclusion of an actual "beast"?
  8. Ultimately, me and you can come to an agreement. There is Indeed, no guarantee or promise that exists in which every Muslim will go directly to paradise after death or that every non-Muslim is automatically hell-bound. BUT, Islam is the only ancient religion that does not monopolize salvation exclusively to its adherents. Instead, Islam teaches that non-Muslims can and shall attain paradise. The Qur’an declares in 2:62, “Surely, the Believers, and the Jews, and the Christians and the Sabians — whichever party from among these truly believes in Allah and the Last Day and does good deeds — shall have their reward with their Lord, and no fear shall come upon them, nor shall they grieve.” lastly, although I don't fully understand it, I've heard the opinion that even some atheists would be forgiven, assuming that they were indeed looking for the truth, but never came across it.
  9. He promised divine justice, you are correct, but in what form? We are all sentient creatures, so define an evil one. Qasim Rashid puts it well. The Qur’an specifically compares and gives context to what God means by “forever” in the context of heaven and hell with side-by-side verses. Regarding hell in Qur’an 11:107-108, God says, “As for those who will prove unfortunate, they shall be in the Fire . . . . abiding therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, excepting what thy Lord may will.” The following verse about heaven uses the same language, with one distinction: “But as for those who will prove fortunate, they shall be in Heaven; abiding therein so long as the heavens and the earth endure, excepting what thy Lord may will — a gift that shall not be cut off.” In a direct comparison, the Qur’an clarifies that heaven is “a gift which shall never be cut off,” while eternity is not at all mentioned regarding hell. Qur’an 11:108 says hell’s inmates will come out when God pleases — God’s mercy descends and encompasses his punishment.
  10. Black Magic done on me. Please help?

    Mannnnnnn, Enough with this magic garbage.
  11. I have also heard of the concept, thanks for the link bro, ill hit you right back with one. This is a great book that really knocked down the concept for me, its in PDF to, so you can just click and read. http://islamicmobility.com/pdf/JOURNEY OF THE UNSEEN WORLD Rooh Ka Safar.pdf
  12. “those who associate partners with God . . . Fire will be their resort” to mean eternal hell misses the common-sense approach. This phrase is no different than “those who are patients . . . the hospital will be their resort.” A patient remains in the hospital until he is healed, and then leaves. Hell will serve as a reformatory stage from which they will eventually exit with God’s mercy and grace. But a solid believer is a whole different story. I could be totally wrong, but we should question everything in order to understand correctly, right?
  13. And the convo goes Quote; “Is God merciful, compassionate, and just?” “Yes, absolutely,” he replied. “Is hell eternal?” “Yes, absolutely,” he replied again. “So, a merciful, compassionate, and just God would send a finite creature with finite knowledge of sins to infinite damnation and hellfire? Does that make sense to you?” Qur’an 7:156: “‘I will inflict My punishment on whom I will; but My mercy encompasses all things.” How can hell last eternally or a believer be sent to hell even for a short time if God’s mercy encompasses “all things?” I hope we all make it. <3
  14. Again, even that sounds horrific. A hundred thousand years man? I haven't verified it, but ive heard the Hadith in which our prophet reportedly said those who say the testimony of faith are forgiven. In this life alone, we are constantly being forgiven, are we not? When someone goes through sickness, depression, trials, sins are being stripped.
  15. Really? I don't know, I try to hold the belief that we will all go to heaven, eventually, even if casted to hell. One should always remember that god chose to call himself the most merciful and the most forgiving before anything else. Hell is an awful place made for awful people. Sure we can hope, as we should, but the belief that only a select few will make it in the end just seems like it doesn't fall in line with the love and merciful view embodied in islam. I had no idea, but thanks for doing so! The more opinions the better! The question is, will we know? For instance, I've heard the theory that at one point, we were all just a bunch of souls gathered together before god. Before this life and our creation, the only thing we knew was god, thats it, and when finding out about our creation, we were freaking out (lots of error in that theory, take it with a grain of salt). But do we remember it? I sure don't, so will the same go for the after life? Apparently, very select few may have some remeberence of this, and although highly unlikely, I've also heard the opinion that some may encounter another human and may feel like they've known or seen them, when in actuality, they knew them in our Past life (when we were just souls).
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