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  1. could you provide me some you think are huge ?
  2. Ive been reading into Shia hadith, unfortunately they meet the same criteria, it's highly likely that fabrications are more than just a few. Though less prevalent than Sunni hadith. I can believe in Ahle Bayt, but it doesnt mean they're traditions were preserved, either they were true holders of knowledge and it has been corrupted, or they never had it to begin with. I go with the first. Quran never said follow prophet's sunnah or be lost, or gone astray, if hadith from both sides say this, then it is fabricated assuming these individuals were truly lived Quran. Shah Ismail I let alot of corruption into Shiasm represented in modern Shiasm today. Shiasm back then was a stark contrast and possibly more truer to islam. But how am I supposed to reconcile this? The burden on any soul to peruse literally hundreds of thousands of hadith, is too great. And no one has truly accomplished this, especially in the modern age. Contrasting all of them, and Quran, while being someone of demonstrated intelligence and aptitude and TRUST. even then the validation of hadith is mere of assumption. so please, advise me what it is I'm missing out on that is so important from Ahlul Bayt, that will enrich Islam for me. What teachings do they have that are not in Quran ? Ill open my mind and ask you this with serious consideration.
  3. But you're right too. I have to and others should speak up and point out the wrongs, renounce evil when its committed. Extremists, few can be reasoned with.. but we should try. We should do more to educated ourselves and eliminate extremist ideology in all forms. Though I'm sure they'd just kill me.
  4. heh i dont let a majority of people define a religion to be Gods message. I dont need their agreement. If Islam came and then split and changed more, i wouldn't let the majority opinion to be the real Islam . If everyone was starting to tell me Islam actually is a religion where we eat pork, i wouldnt let their lack of reasoning convince me we should be eating pork. extremists dont run anything they dont own the religion, maybe they influence peoples opinion of Islam, but thats their assumption poorly made. Bad Christians don't influence my opinion of their religion and IT SHOULDNT. I was taught in Quran how to calibrate my disposition towards others. Thats why its Gods religion, not mans. As i beleive of Christianity, and Judaism, and others that came. I learn Christianity from Bible and I learn Judaism from Torah. As Islam from quran. I wont ask a priest, I wont ask a muslim. I read the books for myself. Just like when people tell me they want to keep brown people out of USA to protect Christianity and the whire race, Im damn well aware Christianity isnt a white supremacy parade. Because rememeber, people like you and me, and others...we can all be lead to beleive stupidity from a religion that perhaps has no stupidity in it.
  5. Have you ever tried it? Try it before you slam it. I grew up sunni, learning their way. Having the same understanding most did of Hadith and its purprorted significance. You thought open mindedly. You left islam because you were questioning what old men and scholars told you not to question. I am doing what you did. Allah told us the quran is clear and concise and its explanation of it is with Him. So far, I feel its going pretty good. If human beings were made to have reasoning, sight, hearing, speech, they should use them. You were a sheep and you chose not to be one. Just because some people who claim to be experts Islam told you it has to be this way, doesnt mean thats the truth. Had hadith not hadith been around, I think the Islamic world would be in a much better place than the place it is now. Quran said the good christians stood and night and recited words of God...and protestrated, so stand and prostrate and recite His words. When you're a robot, you're not thinking about God are you? Do this thing a certain way then do that, motion by motion. Not really a heartfelt prayer. Perhaps this ambiguity (Though there isnt much) is meant to inspire sincerity as we all worship, a real connection. I dont truly beleive it to be sensible a man who prayed differently in a physical sense would be judged by God if he followed Gods message the best he could, being a good of moral conduct, treating others the way you would want, generosity, seeking peace, when to realiate, when to fight, etc. etc. I think the meaning behind the prayers and intention are what is significant not some invented motions.
  6. I beg to differ. Though im critical of hadith im not saying reject it all. I say follow what doesnt contradict Quran. The quran does describe motions of prayer, what are the best things to testify, what to say. And I dont follow illogical stupdities such as abrograted verses of God. the Hadith that contradict Quran, i will reject absolutely. Quran says it is itself the best hadith and what other hadith do we need? Thats a powerful statement. God is challenging all of us saying if you pray a slightly different way are you in the wrong? Were christians and jews and Muslims all praying the same way when their books were revealed? Allah SWT says: لَيْسُوا سَوَآءً ۗ مِّنْ أَهْلِ الْكِتٰبِ أُمَّةٌ قَآئِمَةٌ يَتْلُونَ ءَايٰتِ اللَّهِ ءَانَآءَ الَّيْلِ وَهُمْ يَسْجُدُونَ "They are not [all] the same; among the People of the Scripture is a community standing [in obedience], reciting the verses of Allah during periods of the night and prostrating [in prayer]." (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 113) * Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com Tell me, were Christians and jews, Allah is referring to above praying like muhammad? We're lying to ourselves, and looking for excuses to divide ourselves further, saying garbage such as "you're not a muslim if you dont pray like us" when all muslims pray differently even in sunni madhabs. If this Quran has contradictions then I'll renounce Islam, for God claims in the Quran there is no contradiction and words are precise and intended, and that He, not us preserves it. I dont follow a God that cant make good on his own word. No wonder why you left islam. that is part of the consequences of blindly learning hadith and believing it to be reliable. preserved and made by men. killing apostates "hadith" contradict the quran in several ways, therefore I reject them. Hadith... put together hundreds of years after the message and Muhammad. some by men who were tyrants abusing their power and looking for justification of their actions in religion, others with good intentions. You know Khalid ibn Walid killed am innocent man for his wife using a poor excuse in both Sahih and shia hadith? Abu bakr and Umar ibn kjattab fought over this matter, abu bakr spared him because of his status.These men who fought each other in these hadith are the ones whose hadith were relying on. You WANT me to follow such hadith of such men??? No thanks. I use my reason. Allah SWT says: أَمْ تَحْسَبُ أَنَّ أَكْثَرَهُمْ يَسْمَعُونَ أَوْ يَعْقِلُونَ ۚ إِنْ هُمْ إِلَّا كَالْأَنْعٰمِ ۖ بَلْ هُمْ أَضَلُّ سَبِيلًا "Or do you think that most of them hear or reason? They are not except like livestock. Rather, they are [even] more astray in [their] way." (QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 44) Allah SWT says: ذٰلِكَ الْكِتٰبُ لَا رَيْبَ ۛ فِيهِ ۛ هُدًى لِّلْمُتَّقِينَ "This is the Book about which there is no doubt, a guidance for those conscious of Allah -" (QS. Al-Baqara 2: Verse 2) If you're saying Quran isnt enough guidance, you are contradicting this verse. And Allah says his book is without contradiction: أَفَلَا يَتَدَبَّرُونَ الْقُرْءَانَ ۚ وَلَوْ كَانَ مِنْ عِنْدِ غَيْرِ اللَّهِ لَوَجَدُوا فِيهِ اخْتِلٰفًا كَثِيرًا "Then do they not reflect upon the Qur'an? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction." (QS. An-Nisaa 4: Verse 82) Allah says his book is sufficient: أَوَلَمْ يَكْفِهِمْ أَنَّآ أَنْزَلْنَا عَلَيْكَ الْكِتٰبَ يُتْلٰى عَلَيْهِمْ ۚ إِنَّ فِى ذٰلِكَ لَرَحْمَةً وَذِكْرٰى لِقَوْمٍ يُؤْمِنُونَ "And is it not sufficient for them that We revealed to you the Book which is recited to them? Indeed in that is a mercy and reminder for a people who believe." (QS. Al-Ankaboot 29: Verse 51) Most of all, Allah promises to guard his eternal unchanging message (unlike hadith): إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَإِنَّا لَهُ ۥ لَحٰفِظُونَ "Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian." (QS. Al-Hijr 15: Verse 9) Why guard a book if its insufficient for guidance? And it will never change: إِنَّ الَّذِينَ كَفَرُوا بِالذِّكْرِ لَمَّا جَآءَهُمْ ۖ وَإِنَّهُ ۥ لَكِتٰبٌ عَزِيزٌ "Indeed, those who disbelieve in the message after it has come to them... And indeed, it is a mighty Book." (QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 41) لَّا يَأْتِيهِ الْبٰطِلُ مِنۢ بَيْنِ يَدَيْهِ وَلَا مِنْ خَلْفِهِۦ ۖ تَنْزِيلٌ مِّنْ حَكِيمٍ حَمِيدٍ "Falsehood cannot approach it from before it or from behind it; [it is] a revelation from a [Lord who is] Wise and Praiseworthy." (QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 42) مَّا يُقَالُ لَكَ إِلَّا مَا قَدْ قِيلَ لِلرُّسُلِ مِنْ قَبْلِكَ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ لَذُو مَغْفِرَةٍ وَذُو عِقَابٍ أَلِيمٍ "Nothing is said to you, [O Muhammad], except what was already said to the messengers before you. Indeed, your Lord is a possessor of forgiveness and a possessor of painful penalty." (QS. Fussilat 41: Verse 43) A book that will never be corrupted or changed and protected, and you're saying it's insufficient for guidance? We utterly and completely failed in preserving hadith (in my opinion) If you don't beleive Allah preserved Quran because you need hadith to prove Quran is preserved, then I don't know what God or Qur'an you beleive in, hopefully you'll be alright, and maybe me too. سَيَقُولُ الَّذِينَ أَشْرَكُوا لَوْ شَآءَ اللَّهُ مَآ أَشْرَكْنَا وَلَآ ءَابَآؤُنَا وَلَا حَرَّمْنَا مِنْ شَىْءٍ ۚ كَذٰلِكَ كَذَّبَ الَّذِينَ مِنْ قَبْلِهِمْ حَتّٰى ذَاقُوا بَأْسَنَا ۗ قُلْ هَلْ عِنْدَكُمْ مِّنْ عِلْمٍ فَتُخْرِجُوهُ لَنَآ ۖ إِنْ تَتَّبِعُونَ إِلَّا الظَّنَّ وَإِنْ أَنْتُمْ إِلَّا تَخْرُصُونَ "Those who associated with Allah will say, If Allah had willed, we would not have associated [anything] and neither would our fathers, nor would we have prohibited anything. Likewise did those before deny until they tasted Our punishment. Say, Do you have any knowledge that you can produce for us? You follow not except assumption, and you are not but falsifying." (QS. Al-An'aam 6: Verse 148) وَمَا يَتَّبِعُ أَكْثَرُهُمْ إِلَّا ظَنًّا ۚ إِنَّ الظَّنَّ لَا يُغْنِى مِنَ الْحَقِّ شَيْئًا ۚ إِنَّ اللَّهَ عَلِيمٌۢ بِمَا يَفْعَلُونَ "And most of them follow not except assumption. Indeed, assumption avails not against the truth at all. Indeed, Allah is Knowing of what they do." (QS. Yunus 10: Verse 36) If you believe hadith is not conjecture assumption and feel you have sufficient evidence, then you do you man. I know for myself Quran is a non changing/ constant that is not conjecture or assumption. For me to be told I need something else than Quran... especially after realizing Hadith's volatility...Doesn't make sense to me... so I'll do me. In my view, It is an assumption, not fact that Ahlul Bayt hadith were preserved. It is an assumption, not fact that Muhammad's SAW hadith were preserved along with Sahaba narrations. اللَّهُ نَزَّلَ أَحْسَنَ الْحَدِيثِ كِتٰبًا مُّتَشٰبِهًا مَّثَانِىَ تَقْشَعِرُّ مِنْهُ جُلُودُ الَّذِينَ يَخْشَوْنَ رَبَّهُمْ ثُمَّ تَلِينُ جُلُودُهُمْ وَقُلُوبُهُمْ إِلٰى ذِكْرِ اللَّهِ ۚ ذٰلِكَ هُدَى اللَّهِ يَهْدِى بِهِۦ مَنْ يَشَآءُ ۚ وَمَنْ يُضْلِلِ اللَّهُ فَمَا لَهُ ۥ مِنْ هَادٍ "Allah has sent down the best hadith: a consistent Book wherein is reiteration. The skins shiver therefrom of those who fear their Lord; then their skins and their hearts relax at the remembrance of Allah. That is the guidance of Allah by which He guides whom He wills. And one whom Allah leaves astray - for him there is no guide." (QS. Az-Zumar 39: Verse 23) If Quran is best hadith, I need no other hadith
  7. There's no such thing as follow ulema or men blindly in the Quran. at least from what ive read. in fact, we are encouraged all of us to be our own scholars of the Quran, and must valid all. information. Allah SWT says: مَا كَانَ لِبَشَرٍ أَنْ يُؤْتِيَهُ اللَّهُ الْكِتٰبَ وَالْحُكْمَ وَالنُّبُوَّةَ ثُمَّ يَقُولَ لِلنَّاسِ كُونُوا عِبَادًا لِّى مِنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَلٰكِنْ كُونُوا رَبّٰنِيِّۦنَ بِمَا كُنْتُمْ تُعَلِّمُونَ الْكِتٰبَ وَبِمَا كُنْتُمْ تَدْرُسُونَ "It is not for a human [prophet] that Allah should give him the Scripture and authority and prophethood and then he would say to the people, Be servants to me rather than Allah, but [instead, he would say], Be pious scholars of the Lord because of what you have taught of the Scripture and because of what you have studied." (QS. Aal-i-Imraan 3: Verse 79) Allah SWT says: اتَّخَذُوٓا أَحْبَارَهُمْ وَرُهْبٰنَهُمْ أَرْبَابًا مِّنْ دُونِ اللَّهِ وَالْمَسِيحَ ابْنَ مَرْيَمَ وَمَآ أُمِرُوٓا إِلَّا لِيَعْبُدُوٓا إِلٰهًا وٰحِدًا ۖ لَّآ إِلٰهَ إِلَّا هُوَ ۚ سُبْحٰنَهُۥ عَمَّا يُشْرِكُونَ "They have taken their scholars and monks as lords besides Allah, and [also] the Messiah, the son of Mary. And they were not commanded except to worship one God; there is no deity except Him. Exalted is He above whatever they associate with Him." (QS. At-Tawba 9: Verse 31) I rather avoid becoming the above, following these men blindly and trusting their judgement. If you cant tell already, Im very skeptical and critical of hadith. Allah SWT says: يٰٓأَيُّهَا الَّذِينَ ءَامَنُوٓا إِنْ جَآءَكُمْ فَاسِقٌۢ بِنَبَإٍ فَتَبَيَّنُوٓا أَنْ تُصِيبُوا قَوْمًۢا بِجَهٰلَةٍ فَتُصْبِحُوا عَلٰى مَا فَعَلْتُمْ نٰدِمِينَ "O you who have believed, if there comes to you a disobedient one with information, investigate, lest you harm a people out of ignorance and become, over what you have done, regretful." (QS. Al-Hujuraat 49: Verse 6) Never in the Quran have I read that you kill a beleive who switches faiths. No compulsion in religion and gice peace to those who seek it.
  8. speak for yourself. I dont think true Islam says kill someone who changes beleifs.
  9. Becoming Freemason change status as Shi'i?

    No where am I seeing لعلم presumed to be sign in the Quran so far. I'm going to check every verse with this word just to be sure. Allah is consistent as is His book.
  10. Wahhabi

    I think I agree with your point. It.. God created people among them believers and disbelievers : Allah SWT says: هُوَ الَّذِى خَلَقَكُمْ فَمِنْكُمْ كَافِرٌ وَمِنْكُمْ مُّؤْمِنٌ ۚ وَاللَّهُ بِمَا تَعْمَلُونَ بَصِيرٌ "It is He who created you, and among you is the disbeliever, and among you is the believer. And Allah, of what you do, is Seeing." (QS. At-Taghaabun 64: Verse 2) We have free will, makes sense.
  11. Becoming Freemason change status as Shi'i?

    Do not all things belong to Allah? Im confused I mean we all return to Allah, to him we come from to him we return.
  12. Becoming Freemason change status as Shi'i?

    no. translation is : It is knowledge of the hour, so doubt not and follow me the straight path. Not HE is knowledge. or Jesus. Not he will, not Jesus will. Not it will. I will verify if others are called knowledgeable or knowledge of the hour. messih/messiah means annointed. not saviour. but i will dwell on this
  13. Wahhabi

    Never had I in my life thought of the Yazid ive read about as a good man. Nor Muawiya, in fact I find them deplorable. But I was not there. Quran bids me to not dwell on assumption or speak things I have no evidence of. I do have evidence.....however of certain events...who is truly responsible for the martyrdom I cant say except the one(s) who participated, but I do give some responsibility to Yazid whether or not he intended it. It happened in his watch and so he is responsible in some capacity.
  14. Becoming Freemason change status as Shi'i?

    But the word remind is not in there, you used the word "knowledge" like I did? Im sorry bro Im trying to see it your perspective and it just wont click.
  15. Becoming Freemason change status as Shi'i?

    the same reason seeing any prophet would remind you of the hour. They're talking about preparing for it ... why angels are not leading men on earth to prior verse
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