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  1. How to interpret this?

    in 35:8, Allah LETTING go astray whom He wills, means precisely this: Those who wish to go astray, and Allah approves (his will), he will let them go astray. However that means there are a group who wish to go astray that Allah does not approve of going astray (his will) that he will prevent. Which explains ," So (let) not go out your soul for them regretfully, indeed Allah is All-Knowing of what they do." I make an analogue to those who won't hear reason or anything and believe what they want to believe, yet Me (i do this way too much) am too stubborn to try and go and convince them argument, and effort after effort. Also, just because one is not guided by Allah, does not mean they're lost and doomed to hell. There's the straight path to Allah / Righteousness etc. etc., then there's many upon many curvy convoluted, not so straight but inefficient paths but as long as you make it to the destination you're golden. The Qur'an is the guidance from Allah, so it's available to all. The Spectrum of how human being moral fiber varies is the essence that defines good from bad, and from this I take that Allah guides whom he wills and doesn't so this world will function proper.
  2. I would think Allah SWT, since Muhammad SAW followed Allah through the message given by Jibril? Allah defines that the messengers are both angels and prophets. The Prophet obeys the angel whom must obey Allah. The Quran seems to corroborate this in more places than I've referenced. We all think we're following the Prophet Muhammad SAW, when were fighting each other over what just he did. The Quran chides/admonishes the Prophet SAW in 4 places, and says he's nothing but a messenger, not a guide for man. Allah says if Muhammad SAW was killed, you still follow the message He gave, in 3:144, specifically. Indicating the irrelevance of who would we be following if every hadith is wrong. Prayer process specifics or other rituals we have then seem to be implied as determinable to the individual, less focus on the how, more on the what and why. Just like how shia say taraweeh is a form of Bida', Allah commands Muhammad SAW in Quran to be careful in his example since people would copy him blindly without understanding. You may argue historical context is a requirement to the quran, I argue the opposite. I say its irrelevant, Gods message is for all ummah of all time. It seems sufficient. Id like to see reasons why we ought to include history.
  3. @Sindbad05 , @Gaius I. Caesar I think I'm starting to realize after re-reading the Qu'ran, that perhaps the Prophet Muhammad SAW is not above all prophets. Allah makes it way too clear . Everything below blows the BOTH Sunni and Shia narration/rhetoric sky high, the whole guided by Ahlul Bayt or Sahaba stuff, right below. I really am starting to believe this whole Hadith system screwed us up man, like READ this all below, please. Maybe we put too much emphasis on the Prophet SAW, and not enough on God's words themselves having merit, given the Qur'an itself is completely lacking in contradiction, something a manmade object would have. Are we inadvertently diminishing the power of Gods words here in the Qu'ran. Quran 88:21-22 So remind, [O Muhammad]; you are only a reminder. Sahih International: You are not over them a controller. Pickthall: Thou art not at all a warder over them. Yusuf Ali: Thou art not one to manage (men's) affairs. Shakir: You are not a watcher over them; Muhammad Sarwar: You do not have full control over them. Mohsin Khan: You are not a dictator over them. Arberry: thou art not charged to oversee them. Quran 42:6 And as for those who choose protecting friends beside Him, Allah is Warden over them, and thou art in no wise a guardian over them. Quran 2:272 Not upon you, [O Muhammad], is [responsibility for] their guidance, but Allah guides whom He wills. And whatever good you [believers] spend is for yourselves, and you do not spend except seeking the countenance of Allah. And whatever you spend of good - it will be fully repaid to you, and you will not be wronged. NOT Sahaba or Ahlul Bayt. Quran 24:54 Say, "Obey Allah and obey the Messenger; but if you turn away - then upon him is only that [duty] with which he has been charged, and upon you is that with which you have been charged. And if you obey him, you will be [rightly] guided. And there is not upon the Messenger except the [responsibility for] clear notification." Quran 3:144 Muhammad is not but a messenger. [Other] messengers have passed on before him. So if he was to die or be killed, would you turn back on your heels [to unbelief]? And he who turns back on his heels will never harm Allah at all; but Allah will reward the grateful. The above Quran verses make it abundantly clear, any and all Hadith that we try and use in addition to the Qur'an, are baseless, and even IF the Prophet SAW did give hadith, Allah is telling us not to use it, probably because it's nearly entirely corrupt. The below passages confirm it. [Quran 7:185] Have they not looked at the dominion of the heavens and the earth, and all the things God has created? Does it ever occur to them that the end of their life may be near? Which HADITH, besides this (Quran) do they believe in? [Quran 31:6] Among the people, there are those who uphold baseless HADITH, and thus divert others from the path of God without knowledge, and take it in vain. These have incurred a shameful retribution. [Quran 39:23] God has revealed herein the BEST HADITH; a book that is consistent and points out both ways (to heaven and hell). The skins of those who reverence their Lord cringe therefrom, then their skins and their hearts soften up for God's message. Such is God's guidance; he bestows it upon whomever He wills. As for those sent astray by God, nothing can guide them. [Quran 45:6] These are God's revelations (Quran) that we recite to you truthfully. In which HADITH other than God and His revelations do they believe? [Quran 52:34] Let them produce a HADITH like this (Quran) if they are truthful. [Quran 68:44] Therefore, let Me deal with those who reject this HADITH(Quran); we will lead them on whence they never perceive. [Quran 77:50] Which HADITH other than this do they uphold? Why did God permitted these so called Hadiths ? The answer is in next verse. [Quran 6:112-113] We have permitted the enemies of every prophet - human and jinn devils - to inspire in each other FANCY WORDS , in order to deceive. Had your Lord willed, they would not have done it. You shall disregard them and their FABRICATIONS. This is to let the minds of those who do not believe in the Hereafter listen to such FABRICATIONS, and accept them, and thus expose their real convictions. Maybe I am a Quranist? Sheesh, I don't know, but this is some compelling stuff here. Quran [17:46] We place veils over their hearts to prevent them from understanding it and deafness in their ears, and when you commemorate your Lord in the Quran alone they turn their backs and run away in aversion.
  4. My perspective is that we can't apply human concepts/realities to beings/ideas beyond our comprehension. Logic has always been an observed quality and is limited to the human capacity to see/interact and understand. The idea of being "created", having a "beginning" is a limitation or confinement manifested through how human beings see things. One example is that we always see processes as having beginnings and end, like a life cycle of a newborn, or a star. But we don't apply the concept that the atoms/energies used in those processes, have just been shifting from one place to another, in short, that matter/energy has not been created nor destroyed. In other words did the Universe just always happened to be a finite amount of energy/space/matter, and all fluctuations, events that transpire inside of it just move and transfer afterward? In this case, are all forms of matter/energy just external limbs/forces connected to some superior entity that does not have a need for a central nervous system beyond our comprehension? (holy crud this post was made 14 years ago) EDIT: @Waseem162 put this much more elegantly and concisely than I did.
  5. They are not to me. According to this one is meant for Knowledge or Awareness in general, which can extend to mundane non Prophet like knowledge. Unlearned in terms of knowledge for Prophethood qualified knowledge is more appropriate as it does not extend towards general wisdom/knowledge and character. Ignorant Definition: ADJECTIVE lacking knowledge or awareness in general; uneducated or unsophisticated: "he was told constantly that he was ignorant and stupid" synonyms: uneducated · unknowledgeable · untaught · unschooled · untutored · untrained · illiterate · unlettered · unlearned · unread · uninformed · [more] unenlightened · benighted · inexperienced · unworldly · unsophisticated antonyms: educated lacking knowledge, information, or awareness about something in particular: "they were ignorant of astronomy" synonyms: without knowledge of · unaware of · unconscious of · oblivious to · incognizant of · unfamiliar with · unacquainted with · uninformed about · [more] ill-informed about · unenlightened about · unconversant with · inexperienced in/with · naive about · green about · in the dark about · clueless about antonyms: knowledgeable informal discourteous or rude: "this ignorant, pin-brained receptionist" W. INDIAN easily angered; quick-tempered: "she could be very ignorant and he had no intention of getting involved in an argument just now" -------------------------------------------------------------------- Unlearned: ADJECTIVE unlearnt (adjective) not having been learned: "she found herself on the stage, lines unlearned" My responses below are in RED:
  6. Here was my reasoning about the Prophet SAW being inspired with knowledge that he did not have, which means he was unlearned, not ignorant as you're implying. Quran 18:110 Say (O Muhammad SAW): "I am only a man like you. It has been *****inspired to me***** that your Ilah (God) is One Ilah (God i.e. Allah). So whoever hopes for the Meeting with his Lord, let him work righteousness and associate none as a partner in the worship of his Lord."
  7. @Gaius I. Caesar Thank you, It's ok I don't feel all that bad. I do appreciate your efforts, really. but @Sindbad05 Quran 49:11 O you who have believed, let not a people ridicule [another] people; perhaps they may be better than them; nor let women ridicule [other] women; perhaps they may be better than them. And do not insult one another and do not call each other by [offensive] nicknames. Wretched is the name of disobedience after [one's] faith. And whoever does not repent - then it is those who are the wrongdoers.
  8. Jesus AS spoke without being taught, versus Adam AS who was taught before speech . Allah SWT literally said this as I used the Quran in my response to back up my reasoning.
  9. Listen to yourself. In the Qu'ran Allah SWT said he taught Adam AS things he knew not. Quran 2:31 And He taught Adam the names - all of them. Then He showed them to the angels and said, "Inform Me of the names of these, if you are truthful." Adam AS was "ignorant" (which is a harsh term to use), the more appropriate term is "unlearned" before he was taught. In other words he was destined to be a Prophet but was not one until after he was taught. You need to have knowledge to teach of Allah before becoming a Prophet. Just as the Prophet Muhammad SAW had to learn. You and I are really not understanding each other. I've asked several times "How do you define the definition of Prophet" ^^^^^ this is the source of the hangup between you and I.
  10. I'm not sure if you understand what I mean. Superior in terms of What exactly?
  11. @Sindbad05 Why would a Prophet exceed another Prophet when Allah SWT is the one who gives them the miracles they produced? If not for Allah SWT, the Prophets would not be much of anything. So why differentiate them? Was the Prophet SAW character/miracles of his virtues something he had all by himself, on his own? Or did not Allah SWT create him this way?
  12. 1. Probably from birth, maybe it formed later , who knows? 2. Adam AS was the first human being to be born and living -> there were no people around to be a PROPHET to, until he was sent with Hawa Raa where other humans were to teach about God, then you can't be a prophet just yet. Depends how you define a prophet, a prophet normally means one who teaches about the will of God, or God's message. I'll reiterate also, that just because one may or may not be prophet from birth, doesn't mean its a quality that excels the Prophet, that's something YOU are asserting. a) Makes sense the way you put it, if that's how you're phrasing it to be true. Adam AS lived first and taught Jibrael, Muhammad SAW then comes later and learns some knowledge. Jibrael seems to be capable of learning or obeying commands. But what do I know, Jibrael from what I understand only taught the Prophet SAW directly from what Allah SWT revealed. 3. Quran 17:70 Verily we have honoured the Children of Adam. We carry them on the land and the sea, and have made provision of good things for them, and have preferred them above many of those whom We created with a marked preferment. Ponder on that passage. Being a prophet sooner in life than another, doesn't mean you're a higher status prophet.
  13. Logic says don't believe either Hadith, nor assume we really know birth dates.