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  1. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    Happy New Year to you my brother and to all brothers and sisters
  2. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    [S.V. Mir Ahmad Ali 2:2] This is the book; there is no doubt in it, {it is} a guidance to those who safeguard themselves with full awareness of divine laws. I think the bold above is a beautiful translation of the word 'muttaqin' and like different signs are sufficient for different people this suffices for me in that in order to ensure, or let us for arguments sake say closer to, the requirement of getting as close to the divine order with the maximum certainty, one definitely has to refer to one who is more knowledgeable for without that one is lost. This is especially valid in these times of life being easy and yet not easy because of information overload and false information. I know they have their own arguments for this also but on the flip side life is made so much safer and easier by just consulting the risala of your marja on the net in English and that is that. They might say that we act on differing fatwas but the same applies to them for they act on differing hadith and that is what we entrust the marja to do. The marja does not sit in a room sorting this stuff out but rather he presents his 'paper' to his seniors and peers and students and it is after that scrutiny only does he form an opinion/get the approval on just one fatwa. The difference of a knowledgeable man is progression whereas the difference of an ignorant person is 'fitnah' And this is where the 1 reward for a wrong ijtehad and 2 for a right one comes in. Allahسُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى loves striving in his cause and for his sake as per the prescribed route and methodology for otherwise your rebellious nature is coming through. May Allahسُبْحَانَهُ وَ تَعَالَى save us all.
  3. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    1. Can you see bro where you are heading by making reference to Bukhari. Him you do not trust yet take hadith from him. Does this tell you that the hadith no matter how collected is different from the person and his opinion or not as in his case. Luckily in the case of Shaykh Tusi you trust him and take the hadith but not his opinion as that opinion is his own and is subjective to his interpretation. The opinions are not the words of the hadith but only the opinions are the words of the scholar. The Akhbari brothers might have serious disagreement with our present scholars but when that scholar narrates a hadith from the books they will not reject it. 2. Look up google and especially wikishia please for that will save space for staying on topic. 3. If you know then I do not need to repeat it, and so does his stance make it any clearer that hadith and opinions are separate. Thanks bro and if there is anything further please do not hesitate.
  4. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    In your defence you have quoted below that you quote Bukhari a lot more than me. Should explain things to you bro that being against Bukhari is not the same as not accepting his correct as per us Hadith. Being trustworthy and as I explained in last post about science of hadith collection. These hadith do not belong to Shaykh Tusi but his opinion on jurisprudence is his own. So one cannot not accept the hadith but the interpretation and opinion one has the choice not to accept. We are not the talibs that all have to agree on our opinions. Are we on the same page now and do keep asking your questions if there are any further confusions. BTW are you aware of Ayatullah Khoei's stance on Taqleed with regards to sources and that probably sums up for all others' as well.
  5. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    Lol, with so many attacks it seems like my bro is on a losing wicket. Rest in other post.
  6. Dua make for my mother

    Praying for your mother and Inshallah all will be fine. The other brothers and sisters have posted great duas.
  7. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    1. You should be able to see that I made special mention of Shaykh Tusi in my post bro. So many trying to correct you should give you a hint bro. So what if Shaykh Tusi only collected as you say pro usuli hadith, what matters is that they were Ahadith from the companions of the Imams{as} all trusted. Being outspoken against the Akhbari movement has nothing to do with the hadith collection. It is like you being truthful in your narration of an incident which I will not doubt if you are a truthful person but I have all the right to disagree with an opinion you express. There is no problem there. Also please remember the work of hadith collection. It is not like one plucks them out of thin air. There are records which corroborate and similarities are found in other books for cross referencing. When you have understood that a hadith is not a personal opinion which I think you are having difficulty with then you will begin to understand the rest. 2. Am glad you understood the second point and corrected/qualified your stance. Well done bro 3. If the scholars had collected hadith like the elders then they would again accept them in spite of being against the opinions and or scholars you make reference to. Brother it is simple, either one does not understand and or one does not want to understand. That intention only your Lord knows but we can only guess at where the direction points us to. Wallhu Alim.
  8. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    1. Problem is you don't bro, for if you did, then not just me but others have said as well, that the 2 are separate. Just like you do not deny the truthfulness of a marja you do not follow. It does not matter what Shaykh Tusi collected in favour of , what matters is were those Hadith truthful and reliable. Please understand they do not deny his truthfulness but do not agree with the conclusion of his opinions. That is not such a big deal. Do you now understand. 2. You keep baffling me again and again...Bukhari is not Hujjah upon us but a truthful Hadith in their will become a hujjah upon us. Shia scholars have narrated traditions from Bukhari not just for polemics but also to support their research. 3. What I was asking was that the Akhbari brothers do not follow your scholars, do you know why? Bro AbdusSibtayn has presented a great point there , did you miss that!!!
  9. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    Excellent point brother. Just have to remember and keep in mind that the Quran is one of the two weighty things as well.
  10. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    Bro being truthful and then having an opinion are 2 different things. Truth is truth but an opinion could be wrong. You keep answering yourself but go back to the same question again and again. Of course not understanding and or not being in agreement is your fundamental right even when everyone else has also been correcting you continuously on this. Eg. show me a hadith which says Shaykh Tusi's jurisprudence has to be followed. Also in answering my second question you answered yourself and then repeat the Akhbari mantra of Akhbaris do as if the Akhbaris follow your scholars. They have no need bro. Tell me why.?
  11. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    so if you understand that the hadith is not the scholars but the interpretation is the scholars, so why is it so difficult to understand that you can reject the interpretation and yet still accept the hadith and that then has nothing to do with the truthfulness of the collector. In a round about way do you deny the truthfulness of a marja you do not follow?
  12. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    Because these are the major collections and they trust these scholars for their truthfulness. But when it comes to interpretation then it is a different ball game. Do you get that a hadith is not the scholars and the interpretation belongs to the scholar which could be right or wrong . @shiaman14
  13. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    In Ahadith collection and narration their is the question of an honest and truthful person and hence the reports and not the interpretations is what one takes from him. A truthful and an honest persons interpretation I can differ with and not agree with for he is not a masum, but what he has collected is authentic with the right matn and rijal. Even the Marajae when they give a fatwa write at the end of it wallu alim. So for them to accept the hadith without any extra bits is all they are looking for. They even do not take Astarabadis interpretations if you think deeply about it.
  14. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    just a supplementary question in trying to understand this issue further Can you tell me as to how do the Akhbari brothers do Taqleed of the Imams(as)?
  15. How can we prove taqleed to akhbaari?

    Without going into the to and fro bro What do you understand by collection and interpretation. The Akhbari brothers will take the collection and give respect to the author but just do not believe in any non masums' interpretation. Try and understand it with the chess hadith and its interpretation as per the fuquha who permit playing chess on a recreational basis.
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