this topic was probably disscussed already so maybe someone can direct me to that thread...i would like to read some fatawa on the ismailis.
wasalam. Arek.
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 09:55 AM
assalamu alaikum.
thanks bro, it was interesting, but there were no opinions from Shia Ulama on ismailism - and that's what i'm looking for. Can anyone help me with that?
I would also like to ask if those Aga Khanis are the only ismailis that exist today? Are there any other groups? If so, are there any that are closer to Islam than Aga Khanis? What about historically? Were ismailis originally closer to Islam? Like maybe in the Fatimid times or before?
wasalam. Arek.
thanks bro, it was interesting, but there were no opinions from Shia Ulama on ismailism - and that's what i'm looking for. Can anyone help me with that?
I would also like to ask if those Aga Khanis are the only ismailis that exist today? Are there any other groups? If so, are there any that are closer to Islam than Aga Khanis? What about historically? Were ismailis originally closer to Islam? Like maybe in the Fatimid times or before?
wasalam. Arek.
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 10:22 AM
Aga Khan helped break Pak-India impasse
By Kamran Khan
KARACHI: At least two knowledgeable ruling politicians and a few
senior Pakistani officials are crediting intense background efforts
of spiritual leader of the Ismaili community, Prince Karim Aga Khan,
for diplomatic breakthrough between Islamabad and New Delhi that in
the past few days again ignited hope of a durable peace.
Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee surprised the world in the
past two weeks when he suddenly reversed the belligerent Indian
stance of equating Pakistan with Saddam Hussain's Iraq by
offering "decisive" peace talks and restoration of full diplomatic
relations with Pakistan.
Informed senior Pakistani officials and top ruling politicians have
now said that they believed that besides the continuing diplomatic
pressure from Washington, the personal efforts of Prince Karim Aga
Khan over the past two weeks played a crucial role in encouraging the
Indian leadership, particularly Prime Minister Vajpayee, to initiate
fresh efforts to resolve Kashmir issue with Pakistan.
"It seemed that Aga Khan devoted much of his time behind the glare of
publicity in April in breaking ice between New Delhi and Islamabad,"
divulged an informed a diplomatic source, who didn't want to be
identified.
On separate diplomatic front the US Secretary of State Colin Powell
is personally leading moves to bring Indian and Pakistani leadership
back to negotiations, but an informed source said that one-on-one
meeting between Prince Karim Aga Khan and Prime Minister Vajpayee in
New Delhi on April 14 was the single most important development that
encouraged Vajpayee to change his heart with Pakistan.
Aga Khan held extensive talks with Indian opposition leader Sonia
Gandhi after meeting Vajpayee. This was Aga Khan's first visit to
India in 11 years. Four days after that meeting with Aga Khan, Prime
Minister Vajpayee travelled to Srinagar to offer fresh dialogues to
Pakistan over Kashmir. Prince Karim Aga Khan's arrival in Islamabad
on Friday was coincided by Prime Minister Vajpayee's declaration in
the parliament to restore full diplomatic ties with Pakistan.
It was no coincidence, informed sources said, that President Pervez
Musharraf used his dinner reception for Prince Karim Aga Khan in
Islamabad on Friday to air his first public response to Vajpayee's
peace statements.
In the dinner also attended by the top Pakistani military brass,
Musharraf said: "We seek peaceful resolution of all disputes and
differences especially the core dispute over Jammu and Kashmir - we
desire sincerity in this commitment. We on our part will demonstrate
all our seriousness,"
President Musharraf further stated: ""We desire tension-free and
cooperative relations with India. We stand ready to enter into a
dialogue anytime, anywhere," During his three-day long stay in
Pakistan, Prince Karim Aga Khan spent most of his time meeting top
Pakistani officials including President Pervez Musharraf and Prime
Minister Jamali besides meeting informally with several top military
officials.
His Highness Aga Khan III, the grandfather of Prince Karim Aga Khan,
was widely considered as one of the most trusted confidante of Quaid-
e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. He was always in the forefront of the
liberation struggle and is undisputedly accepted as one of the
creators of Pakistan.
Informed officials said that Prince Karim Aga Khan, it seems, has now
committed himself to peace in the sub-continent and is prepared to
use his international standing and reputation to help Pakistan and
India reach a negotiated settlement over Kashmir.
On May 8, US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is beginning
a tour of subcontinent where his peace efforts are likely to get
momentum because of the new beginning made in the region because of
Aga Khan's efforts.
The Aga Khan foundation in Pakistan is engaged in the work that
relate to the improvement of quality of life through rural
development, education, healthcare, micro-credit, financial services,
humanitarian assistance and the enhancement of non-governmental
organisations.
http://www.jang.com..../main/main2.htm
By Kamran Khan
KARACHI: At least two knowledgeable ruling politicians and a few
senior Pakistani officials are crediting intense background efforts
of spiritual leader of the Ismaili community, Prince Karim Aga Khan,
for diplomatic breakthrough between Islamabad and New Delhi that in
the past few days again ignited hope of a durable peace.
Indian Prime Minister Atal Behari Vajpayee surprised the world in the
past two weeks when he suddenly reversed the belligerent Indian
stance of equating Pakistan with Saddam Hussain's Iraq by
offering "decisive" peace talks and restoration of full diplomatic
relations with Pakistan.
Informed senior Pakistani officials and top ruling politicians have
now said that they believed that besides the continuing diplomatic
pressure from Washington, the personal efforts of Prince Karim Aga
Khan over the past two weeks played a crucial role in encouraging the
Indian leadership, particularly Prime Minister Vajpayee, to initiate
fresh efforts to resolve Kashmir issue with Pakistan.
"It seemed that Aga Khan devoted much of his time behind the glare of
publicity in April in breaking ice between New Delhi and Islamabad,"
divulged an informed a diplomatic source, who didn't want to be
identified.
On separate diplomatic front the US Secretary of State Colin Powell
is personally leading moves to bring Indian and Pakistani leadership
back to negotiations, but an informed source said that one-on-one
meeting between Prince Karim Aga Khan and Prime Minister Vajpayee in
New Delhi on April 14 was the single most important development that
encouraged Vajpayee to change his heart with Pakistan.
Aga Khan held extensive talks with Indian opposition leader Sonia
Gandhi after meeting Vajpayee. This was Aga Khan's first visit to
India in 11 years. Four days after that meeting with Aga Khan, Prime
Minister Vajpayee travelled to Srinagar to offer fresh dialogues to
Pakistan over Kashmir. Prince Karim Aga Khan's arrival in Islamabad
on Friday was coincided by Prime Minister Vajpayee's declaration in
the parliament to restore full diplomatic ties with Pakistan.
It was no coincidence, informed sources said, that President Pervez
Musharraf used his dinner reception for Prince Karim Aga Khan in
Islamabad on Friday to air his first public response to Vajpayee's
peace statements.
In the dinner also attended by the top Pakistani military brass,
Musharraf said: "We seek peaceful resolution of all disputes and
differences especially the core dispute over Jammu and Kashmir - we
desire sincerity in this commitment. We on our part will demonstrate
all our seriousness,"
President Musharraf further stated: ""We desire tension-free and
cooperative relations with India. We stand ready to enter into a
dialogue anytime, anywhere," During his three-day long stay in
Pakistan, Prince Karim Aga Khan spent most of his time meeting top
Pakistani officials including President Pervez Musharraf and Prime
Minister Jamali besides meeting informally with several top military
officials.
His Highness Aga Khan III, the grandfather of Prince Karim Aga Khan,
was widely considered as one of the most trusted confidante of Quaid-
e-Azam Muhammad Ali Jinnah. He was always in the forefront of the
liberation struggle and is undisputedly accepted as one of the
creators of Pakistan.
Informed officials said that Prince Karim Aga Khan, it seems, has now
committed himself to peace in the sub-continent and is prepared to
use his international standing and reputation to help Pakistan and
India reach a negotiated settlement over Kashmir.
On May 8, US Deputy Secretary of State Richard Armitage is beginning
a tour of subcontinent where his peace efforts are likely to get
momentum because of the new beginning made in the region because of
Aga Khan's efforts.
The Aga Khan foundation in Pakistan is engaged in the work that
relate to the improvement of quality of life through rural
development, education, healthcare, micro-credit, financial services,
humanitarian assistance and the enhancement of non-governmental
organisations.
http://www.jang.com..../main/main2.htm
Our spiritual understandings, like those of your Academy, are rooted, of course, in ancient teachings. In the case of Islam, there are two touchstones which I have long treasured and sought to apply. The first affirms the unity of the human race, as expressed in the Holy Qu'ran where God, as revealed through the Holy Prophet Muhammad, may peace be upon him, says the following:
“O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from the twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.” (4:1)
This remarkable verse speaks both of the inherent diversity of mankind -- the “multitude” -- and of the unity of mankind -- the “single soul created by a single Creator” -- a spiritual legacy which distinguishes the human race from all other forms of life.
The second passage I would cite today is from the first hereditary Imam of the Shi'a community Hazrat Ali. As you know, the Shi'a divided from the Sunni after the death of the Prophet Muhammad. Hazrat Ali, the cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet, was, in Shi'a belief, named by the Prophet to be the Legitimate Authority for the interpretation of the faith. For the Shi'a today, all over the world, he is regarded as the first Imam.
“O mankind! Be careful of your duty to your Lord, Who created you from a single soul and from it created its mate and from the twain hath spread abroad a multitude of men and women.” (4:1)
This remarkable verse speaks both of the inherent diversity of mankind -- the “multitude” -- and of the unity of mankind -- the “single soul created by a single Creator” -- a spiritual legacy which distinguishes the human race from all other forms of life.
The second passage I would cite today is from the first hereditary Imam of the Shi'a community Hazrat Ali. As you know, the Shi'a divided from the Sunni after the death of the Prophet Muhammad. Hazrat Ali, the cousin and son-in-law of the Prophet, was, in Shi'a belief, named by the Prophet to be the Legitimate Authority for the interpretation of the faith. For the Shi'a today, all over the world, he is regarded as the first Imam.
- His Highness the Aga Khan, 49th Hereditary Imam of the Shia Imami Ismaili Muslims
(Address by His Highness the Aga Khan to the Tutzing Evangelical Academy Upon Receiving the "Tolerance" Award, 20 May 2006, Tutzing, Germany)
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Posted 04 May 2003 - 12:51 PM
Aslamo 3alikum,
Yes, they are crediting him (Prince karim) for this good change
Arek: I think you didn't read all the threads about Ismaili'ism..
Some of them has fatawas from the shia Ulamas also.. I just remember the fatawa of Sayyid Khamenei which was posted by Bro. Baatil Ka Kaatil and according to that, they are Muslims..
Ismailies.. hmm there may be some other groups also, but two main groups are
1) Aga Khanis (who follow Prince Karim Aga Khan)
2) Bohras (who follow Dr. Burhanuddin of Gujrat, India as the representative of Imam)*
*They call him Aqa Mola, and are more near to shias than Aga Khanis in concepts, Azadari etc
There are some ismailis in Syria or Jordan I think, and they after the Late Aga Khan III (the 48th Imam) followed his son Ali instead of his grand son/successor Prince Karim (the present Ismaili Imam)..
Wa'Salam
Ali
Yes, they are crediting him (Prince karim) for this good change
Arek: I think you didn't read all the threads about Ismaili'ism..
Some of them has fatawas from the shia Ulamas also.. I just remember the fatawa of Sayyid Khamenei which was posted by Bro. Baatil Ka Kaatil and according to that, they are Muslims..
Ismailies.. hmm there may be some other groups also, but two main groups are
1) Aga Khanis (who follow Prince Karim Aga Khan)
2) Bohras (who follow Dr. Burhanuddin of Gujrat, India as the representative of Imam)*
*They call him Aqa Mola, and are more near to shias than Aga Khanis in concepts, Azadari etc
There are some ismailis in Syria or Jordan I think, and they after the Late Aga Khan III (the 48th Imam) followed his son Ali instead of his grand son/successor Prince Karim (the present Ismaili Imam)..
Wa'Salam
Ali
Edited by Peer Syed Sahib, 04 May 2003 - 12:54 PM.
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Posted 05 May 2003 - 02:55 AM
Actually, The issue about Ismailis is an open-ended debate. The last conclusion(that I remember) is that there are ismailis who are Muslims and mu'min while there are ismaili who are unknowingly committing shirk. I don’t think we can lump all of them together. Correct me if I am wrong.
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