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[Sister Zaynab]

I found this basic map very interesting. I've been reading the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict today (as well as the history of Zionism), and found this map online (one of many), so I thought I'd post it here. Have a look.



Originally, from what I've read, Palestinians accounted for roughly 73% of the entire population of the country, with Jews, Christians, and others combined making up the other 27%.

Edited by Sister Zaynab, 22 July 2006 - 12:32 AM.

[oldsword81]

why was the partition idea in 1947 rejected? there has to be a justified reason...or is it that hindsight is always 20/20?

i mean, i understand fully why Arafat rejected Clinton's proposal in 1998 (?), but I don't know why 1947's was.. unless there is something missing from the story that i just don't know about...

Edited by oldsword81, 23 July 2006 - 08:46 PM.

[Sarah]

That is shocking!!!

They are trying to wipe off Palestine

[Sister Zaynab]

Here's a very interesting link - I'd post the info but it's too much...

http://www.palestine...d/Story564.html

Palestinian History, A Chronology eMail to a friend

Posted on SEPTEMBER-9-2001

From Earliest Times Until 1949


Does anyone know how accurate this historical account is? http://www.geocities...an_2000/usa.HTM

Edited by Sister Zaynab, 26 July 2006 - 02:24 PM.

[HadhratKhadija]

israel's offer to Arafat in 2000.

those lines represent Israeli roads that will remain in place and must be avoided by the Palestinians. tell me, what sort of state is that?

[.InshAllah.]

That is truly disgraceful

[Averroes110]

The Apartheid Wall in the occupied territories, takes the most fertile land and blocks communities effectively creating a more restrictive prison than what it is already.

for more maps

http://stopthewall.org/news/maps.shtml

[ProudAmerican]

why was the partition idea in 1947 rejected? there has to be a justified reason...or is it that hindsight is always 20/20?

Because Palestinians were confident enough thinking they had enough military support from the rest of arab nations to defeat the Jews and get all the land back....it backfired on them.

Palestinians had it made in 1947, if you compare it to what is the proposal of their own state today. They thought they could get more with 3, count them, 3 wars, but lost. This is how land is concured by througout history - by war.

[Areef Hamdi]

The Land belongs to Israel.

Israel has defeated the Arabs in the battles. Let's see them and I'm going to be brief:

1. 1948 : the armies of Egypt, Syria, Jordan, Lebanon, and Iraq declared war on Israel.
Israel defeated them.
2. 1967: Syria, Jordan, and Egypt attacked again. Israel defeated them.
3. 1973: Egypt and Syria made a suprise attack. Israel defeated them.

Common sense tells us that the Arab lost, so the land belongs to the Jew. Case Closed.
Learn to get along and make peace.

Using your assanine logic, all the lands conquered by the Muslim armies originating from Arabia should be REAPPROPRIATED to their rightful owners. Agree?

These words of the Holy Quran ring so true:

7:137 And We made the people who were deemed weak to inherit the eastern lands and the western ones which We had blessed. And the good word of thy Lord was fulfilled in the Children of Israel — because of their patience. And We destroyed what Pharaoh and his people had wrought and what they had built.

Edited by Areef Hamdi, 27 December 2006 - 04:15 PM.

[muslim dude]

So winning makes them right?
We should just give up? and let them continue kicking people out of there countries?
You disqust me.

Edited by muslim dude, 27 December 2006 - 07:40 PM.

[Areef Hamdi]

Last time I checked there are about 1.5 to 2 Million Arabs who are citizens of Israel and they are happy there:

http://www.arabsfori...l.com/home.html

I believe Jordan is the intended home of the "Palestinians", more then 60% of Jordan's population consists of Palestinians.

I am against violence on both sides but I do believe in the right of Israel to exist and for it to defend itself.

[muslim dude]

Last time I checked there are about 1.5 to 2 Million Arabs who are citizens of Israel and they are happy there:

That is just made up [Edited Out]. And even if it was true
What about the palestinians who can't live there? What about the palestinians who were killed because they tried to live there?
Israel is the cause of all poverty and war in the middle east.
And Israel is defending itself? Hahaha it's a good thing I know your joking.
Edit: After reading more into that website it is obvious that it was not made by palestinians. Probably not even Arabs or even muslis for that matter....
Edit #2: After reading even more it is obvious it was written by Israelis.

Edited by muslim dude, 28 December 2006 - 03:54 PM.

[Greg Potemkin]

Last time I checked there are about 1.5 to 2 Million Arabs who are citizens of Israel and they are happy there:

Chuckle.

http://www.arabsfori...l.com/home.html

I believe Jordan is the intended home of the "Palestinians", more then 60% of Jordan's population consists of Palestinians.

I am against violence on both sides but I do believe in the right of Israel to exist and for it to defend itself.

Yeah, yeah, and the intended home of all the people I don't want in the country I want to steal is somewhere else - yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Areef Hamdi]

Greg,

You should be more worried about getting land back to the American Indians and Mexicans which your people took from them.

[Areef Hamdi]

Israel is the cause of all poverty and war in the middle east.

Because the Arabs are unproductive and retrogressive it isn't because of Israel. Praise be to Allah that I am not an Arab.

[muslim dude]

Because the Arabs are unproductive and retrogressive it isn't because of Israel. Praise be to Allah that I am not an Arab.

Yeah I'm pretty glad your not a Arab to.

[Greg Potemkin]

Greg,

You should be more worried about getting land back to the American Indians and Mexicans which your people took from them.

There are no American Indians, who are currently forced to live as refugees. If there were any, I would be the first to call for their "right of return".

As for Mexicans, there were none who were ethnically cleansed. When the US took over the territories of Texas and other parts of the southwest, full citizenship was granted to all those who were resident in those territores. They didn't have to worry about some low life buffoonish racists saying that they "believe Mexico is the intended home of the Hispanic Americans", or any such nonsense.

I suppose that I can understand how nit-wits who have been bamboozled into supporting the racist Zionist entity would have to grasp at straws. The goofy claims about how past trasngressions in other countries somehow "justify" Zionist crimes, are the only arguments that they can make.

[muslim dude]

There are no American Indians, who are currently forced to live as refugees. If there were any, I would be the first to call for their "right of return".

As for Mexicans, there were none who were ethnically cleansed. When the US took over the territories of Texas and other parts of the southwest, full citizenship was granted to all those who were resident in those territores. They didn't have to worry about some low life buffoonish racists saying that they "believe Mexico is the intended home of the Hispanic Americans", or any such nonsense.

Carefull greg you might confuse him with all your big words.

[The Great Zulkarnaen]

I found this basic map very interesting. I've been reading the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict today (as well as the history of Zionism), and found this map online (one of many), so I thought I'd post it here. Have a look.



Originally, from what I've read, Palestinians accounted for roughly 73% of the entire population of the country, with Jews, Christians, and others combined making up the other 27%.

TO MAKE PALESTINIANS GET BACK THEIR HOMELAND...WE MUST GENOCIDE ZIONISTS..

WE WIPE OFF THEM..

[ProudAmerican]

^ NO, we will kill you before you kill us.

[OnelifeliveIt]

Yep, there is definitely a minimal amount of intelligence here.

[muslim dude]

^ NO, we will kill you before you kill us.

I think I'm gonna add this to my signature.

[Tayyeb_Jaan]

*tisk tisk* bad jews

[longlivepalestine]

*tisk tisk* bad jews

It's statements like that which make Muslims look anti-semitic.

Not all Jews are "bad".

[Articulate]

I found this basic map very interesting. I've been reading the history of the Palestine/Israel conflict today (as well as the history of Zionism), and found this map online (one of many), so I thought I'd post it here. Have a look.



Originally, from what I've read, Palestinians accounted for roughly 73% of the entire population of the country, with Jews, Christians, and others combined making up the other 27%.

Too bad it's bogus.

1) Did Arab Palestinians inhabit 100% of the Negev desert ?

That would be a world first - a fruitful, evenly distributed desert population of consistent ethnicity.

2) Did Arab Palestinians actually have that land as any sort of state?

3) Many demographic statistics of Palestine in the 1940s actually include parts of what is now Jordan, an Arab state. All was previously British.

4) When you include Jordan, Iraq, Pakistan, etc, Britain has made far more muslim and/or arab states than jewish ones. They dwarf Israel in size, even though they lost a handful of wars.

5) Germany lost 2 wars, and lost a lot of land to Poland, France, and what is now the Czech Republic. Are those countries obligated to give it back? Is Germany crying about it?

6) If you slice a map up into any old polygon like you have, does 73% of the population deserve 73% of the land?

By this logic, looking at America : http://en.wikipedia....ion-density.gif

If the cities from New York to Washington DC were of one ethnicity, and the United States was to be split up between this ethnicity and "the others", then New York would be given an absurd slice of land.

7) If you look at the original plan, Jerusalem was supposed to be under UN control, Jaffa was supposed to have an Arab area, and the Jews hardly had any interesting land (desert + Tel Aviv is not interesting)

If you look at history, the Jews said "fine", the arabs effectively said "screw the jews".