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[Simba]

^ LOOOOOOL seriously?? Sayyeda, you went there for the SECOND time!!!! LOL.. oh man, did u make it to Kibo atleast??? The toughest part is from Gilman's to Uhuru..On the way to Gilman's, mountain sickness is at its peak so people just vomit but u still gotta make it!!.. ive planned it out inshallah, next time i come there, IM GOING and i wont return without reaching uhuru!  

[sayyeda786]

^ lol.. yeahh it slipped out of my mind tht july ws a rainy weather oh well..

sis jewel.. lol haa! paa bow maja kardtha si july mei:) pan maja achdhi munsaathe .. lol.. tosaathe na.. lol

[Princess-Sayyeda]

s4ever, on Apr 13 2006, 08:56 PM, said:

^ LOOOOOOL seriously?? Sayyeda, you went there for the SECOND time!!!! LOL.. oh man, did u make it to Kibo atleast??? The toughest part is from Gilman's to Uhuru..On the way to Gilman's, mountain sickness is at its peak so people just vomit but u still gotta make it!!.. ive planned it out inshallah, next time i come there, IM GOING and i wont return without reaching uhuru!  

Well S4ever, lets put it this way, when I went the first time... we took marangu route and I made it to kibo! I was 12 years at that time.

We took rongai route this time... and Alhamdulillah I experienced the night climb... and I was quite close to williams point (which is below gilmans)... I was out of strength, breathing was becoming difficult... my feet wouldn't just take me ahead... so I decided to come back down... atleast that will give me a reason to go back again!

Was planning to go back in Dec 2007 (way toooo looong, I know) but who knows might go this dec!

One more difference...

When we took marangu route, we used to sleep in huts! quite cozy! But when we took the rongai route, we used to sleep in tents.. and it was freezing cold! (you know how hot it is in dar, so we not even used to that weather)...

But even though I did not make it to the peak, I enjoyed every minute of this trip!

Surprisingly, when I was on the mountain, I told my colleagues... "I'm never coming back again"... and now I'm missing the mountain... Cant wait to go again!

Edited by Princess-Sayyeda, 14 April 2006 - 05:14 AM.

[habib e najjaar]

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Lol, mzee habibu  we ndio wa jua kiswahili... basi sasa uaanze kuji shauaaaaaaaaaaaaa ka nguo la mitumba  la hawla!

kukupaka as in apply  uta pakaa aaje hiyo kuku?  na utai pakaa wapi?  

LOL haya wasalimie huko... na big daddy was village mamba pia

lo! mbona utanifanya niseme gujju (toba toba )

naona itabidi nikupe full story, wezi wa mapishi ya watu
the origin ya kuku paka as mwaiita is samaki wa kupaka. hili ni pishi ambalo baada ya kumchoma samaki huwa wafanya kama sauce ya tui na bizari fulani, kisha huwa wa PAKA ile sauce kwenye yule samaki akiwa bado yuko juu ya jiko, yaani anaendelea kuchomeka kwenye grill or whatever ulikuwa unatumia kumchoma samaki wako (barbeque style)

sasa, jamaa zetu wezi wa mapishi wakaja wakacopy half way, lakini wakaona uvivu kkufanya whole process ya kuchoma while unapaka sauce kidogo kidogo, so humpaka akiwa ndani ya sufuria

then came variation hiyo ya kuku wa kupaka
ambayo kina mwafulani wakaiita kuku paka, kisha wakacheka wenye kujua

[SpIzo]

^ You and s4 at it again!!!

The only 3 words I could pick was hujambo, sijambo and samahani. Man, you make me jealous!

Btw, what does kuku paka khoja girl mean??

[habib e najjaar]

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Sr habib e najjaar, hatujambo wote Alhamdulillah. Sisi pia tumefurahikia sana kulisikia kiswahili chako. Tumekizoeazoea lakini siku hizi kinayombayomba huku na huku; baada kulisikia uustadi na ujuzi lako pengine utalikerebisha kiswahili chetu cha hapa na pale. smile.gif

Imenibidii niseme kwamba nyinyi ni waswahili hakika, kila munapoenda lazima bendera ipepee. Ehh, kila napokuja Swahili naiona juu kabisa. Ndiyo hivo basi muendelee, NA HIYO NI MAENDELEO ama vile wanasema siku hizi; mambo pudding technology juu kwa juu! biggrin.gif

  he he, kama mzungu asipokijua kizungu si itakuwa ni mashaka?

ok, wacha nianze na yale makosa madogo madogo uliyonao ya kisarufi:

he he, sijui vipi kuitumia hiyo feature ya kuquote, lakini basically hiyo paragraph yako ya kwanza, badala ya kusema "kulisikia kiswahili chako" wafaa useme kukisikia kiswahili chako.

"baada kulisikia ujuzi wako" iwe "baada ya kuusikia ujuzi wako"

tosha kwa sasa,
s4 asije akaona wivu (african wannabe )

SpIzo, on Apr 14 2006, 06:10 PM, said:

^ You and s4 at it again!!!

The only 3 words I could pick was hujambo, sijambo and samahani. Man, you make me jealous!

Btw, what does kuku paka khoja girl mean??

he he, usifanye wivu habibti... kaisee ho?  maa ru'yaak...

kuku=chicken, paka = cat or apply depending on where its used,
kuku wa kupaka is a swahili dish but i guess out there khojas have used it as their logo

and kuku paka khoja wannabe girl I know u forreal but il keep quiet

[sayyeda786]

omg theres just soo much swahili here.. i don't mind reading bits & pieces.. but this is alott..! lol.. n it'l take me agess 2 understandd..! lollll

[SpIzo]

habib e najjaar, on Apr 14 2006, 08:58 PM, said:

he he, usifanye wivu habibti... kaisee ho?  maa ru'yaak...

wha?? except for kaisee ho I couldn't understand anything. I know why you did that!

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kuku=chicken, paka = cat or apply depending on where its used,
kuku wa kupaka is a swahili dish but i guess out there khojas have used it as their logo

Lol, oh! Tell your taj mahal caterers to prepare for me a kuku paka dish!

EDIT: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOO!! I just read about the cat thingy! Yuck!! I don't want your taj caterers to prepare for me any kuku paka dish whatever.

Have you eaten this kuku paka thingy, habibti??

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and kuku paka khoja wannabe girl I know u forreal but il keep quiet

You telling me??? Look whose talking!

Edited by SpIzo, 14 April 2006 - 11:58 AM.

[guest123]

hey i also want to learn how to speak gujrati

[Simba]

habib e najjaar, on Apr 14 2006, 10:54 AM, said:

lo! mbona utanifanya niseme gujju (toba toba )

naona itabidi nikupe full story, wezi wa mapishi ya watu
the origin ya kuku paka as mwaiita is samaki wa kupaka. hili ni pishi ambalo baada ya kumchoma samaki huwa wafanya kama sauce ya tui na bizari fulani, kisha huwa wa PAKA ile sauce kwenye yule samaki akiwa bado yuko juu ya jiko, yaani anaendelea kuchomeka kwenye grill or whatever ulikuwa unatumia kumchoma samaki wako (barbeque style)

sasa, jamaa zetu wezi wa mapishi wakaja wakacopy half way, lakini wakaona uvivu kkufanya whole process ya kuchoma while unapaka sauce kidogo kidogo, so humpaka akiwa ndani ya sufuria :!!!:

then came variation hiyo ya kuku wa kupaka
ambayo kina mwafulani wakaiita kuku paka, kisha wakacheka wenye kujua

LOOOOL, alaaaaa kumbeeeeee.. hawa wazee wetu kisha wame zoe kutipa jina fupi shauri ya vyakula vyote.. mathalan, mkate wa ku mimina ina itwa mkate mimina, yani mkate ambayo ina miminwa kwenye kiji chombo chake baada ikisha pikwa   na kuku wa kupaka ina itwa kuku paka   sasa ndio nime elewa kwanini umetu cheka  

lol haya tu eleze historia ya mkate wa ku mimina  

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You and s4 at it again!!!  

The only 3 words I could pick was hujambo, sijambo and samahani. Man, you make me jealous!  

Btw, what does kuku paka khoja girl mean??

Lol, spizo ji, yeh indians ki bass ki baat nahi hai   aap sirf chu chu aur che che karte rahiye hindi me  :!!!:

sayyeda786, on Apr 14 2006, 11:44 AM, said:

omg theres just soo much swahili here.. i don't mind reading bits & pieces.. but this is alott..! lol.. n it'l take me agess 2 understandd..! lollll

try and read post # 54 by habib e najjar.. its explaining the history of kuku paka .. its pretty neat

Edited by s4ever, 14 April 2006 - 10:55 AM.

[SpIzo]

s4ever, on Apr 14 2006, 09:25 PM, said:

Lol, spizo ji, yeh indians ki bass ki baat nahi hai   aap sirf chu chu aur che che karte rahiye hindi me  

That was mean of you, s4. You see one day, I will be speaking fluent swahili debating with you. ha! (btw, I'm not gonna learn from you, don't worry! habibti to the rescue ) Aur waise bhi chu cha che...lol marathi me hai, hindi me nahi, buddhu.

Edited by SpIzo, 14 April 2006 - 11:05 AM.

[Simba]

Princess-Sayyeda, on Apr 14 2006, 06:17 AM, said:

Well S4ever, lets put it this way, when I went the first time... we took marangu route and I made it to kibo! I was 12 years at that time.

We took rongai route this time... and Alhamdulillah I experienced the night climb... and I was quite close to williams point (which is below gilmans)... I was out of strength, breathing was becoming difficult... my feet wouldn't just take me ahead... so I decided to come back down... atleast that will give me a reason to go back again!

Was planning to go back in Dec 2007 (way toooo looong, I know) but who knows might go this dec!

One more difference...

When we took marangu route, we used to sleep in huts! quite cozy! But when we took the rongai route, we used to sleep in tents.. and it was freezing cold! (you know how hot it is in dar, so we not even used to that weather)...

But even though I did not make it to the peak, I enjoyed every minute of this trip!

Surprisingly, when I was on the mountain, I told my colleagues... "I'm never coming back again"... and now I'm missing the mountain... Cant wait to go again!

I see, the rongai route must be interesting.. but i think marangu is better eh.. either way, reaching gilman's should be a must.. hehe coz without reaching u dont get the real fun of the mountain climbing. From there, you can see uhuru peak and it seems soo close but it takes 5 to 6 hours to walk there..   breathing, nausea, headache is all normal.. u just gotta control ur legs towards the peak.. n thts the hardest part, really.. you feel like cursing urself n be like "ghare witha hot to saaro hot ker chio hida sudhi acha hi mare matha kuti karanle" so yeah, u need a strong will power..hehe good luck next time

SpIzo, on Apr 14 2006, 11:59 AM, said:

That was mean of you, s4. You see one day, I will be speaking fluent swahili debating with you. ha! (btw, I'm not gonna learn from you, don't worry! habibti to the rescue ) Aur waise bhi chu cha che...lol marathi me hai, hindi me nahi, buddhu.

Lol, on that day, you'll make me forget my swahili  

Indians have this funny accent when they talk in swahili right.. we have this neighbour called chandrika ben.. n when those street vendors come to sell tomatoes, veges and stuff they go like

"Haya mama juu, nime leta nyanya na mboga"

she goes "wewe iko gali sana hapana taka boga yako"  :!!!:  

and thn those guys come on sunday morning as well, when theyre asleep right.. so she goes "Wewe iko kumbavu kabisa hapana jua sisi iko lala kwenye juma pili"  


i know u dont understand, but yeah, tell your habibti habib e najjar to translate it for ya  

Edited by s4ever, 14 April 2006 - 11:05 AM.

[SpIzo]

s4ever, on Apr 14 2006, 09:39 PM, said:

Lol, on that day, you'll make me forget my swahili  

Lol, that's my main intention..

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Indians have this funny accent when they talk in swahili right.. we have this neighbour called chandrika ben.. n when those street vendors come to sell tomatoes, veges and stuff they go like

"Haya mama juu, nime leta nyanya na mboga"

she goes "wewe iko gali sana hapana taka boga yako"    

and thn those guys come on sunday morning as well, when theyre asleep right.. so she goes "Wewe iko kumbavu kabisa hapana jua sisi iko lala kwenye juma pili"  

No wonder your swahili is terrible!! Because you're an Indian.. Thank goodness I'm not learning swahili from you. Astagfirullah, I would never make that mistake!

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i know u dont understand, but yeah, tell your habibti habib e najjar to translate it for ya  

Thanks but no thanks for the suggestion. You do know how to add more fuel to the fire. Habibti, will translate it for me and then we'll make fun of your bad Indian swahili as you did of that Indian woman.

[sayyeda786]

habib e najjaar, on Apr 14 2006, 05:54 PM, said:

lo! mbona utanifanya niseme gujju (toba toba )

naona itabidi nikupe full story, wezi wa mapishi ya watu
the origin ya kuku paka as mwaiita is samaki wa kupaka. hili ni pishi ambalo baada ya kumchoma samaki huwa wafanya kama sauce ya tui na bizari fulani, kisha huwa wa PAKA ile sauce kwenye yule samaki akiwa bado yuko juu ya jiko, yaani anaendelea kuchomeka kwenye grill or whatever ulikuwa unatumia kumchoma samaki wako (barbeque style)

sasa, jamaa zetu wezi wa mapishi wakaja wakacopy half way, lakini wakaona uvivu kkufanya whole process ya kuchoma while unapaka sauce kidogo kidogo, so humpaka akiwa ndani ya sufuria

then came variation hiyo ya kuku wa kupaka
ambayo kina mwafulani wakaiita kuku paka, kisha wakacheka wenye kujua

mimi nime kula samaki wa kupaka on wednesdayy.. lol (is tht right swahili?)

s4ever, on Apr 14 2006, 07:09 PM, said:

Indians have this funny accent when they talk in swahili right.. we have this neighbour called chandrika ben.. n when those street vendors come to sell tomatoes, veges and stuff they go like

"Haya mama juu, nime leta nyanya na mboga"

she goes "wewe iko gali sana hapana taka boga yako"   

and thn those guys come on sunday morning as well, when theyre asleep right.. so she goes "Wewe iko kumbavu kabisa hapana jua sisi iko lala kwenye juma pili"

woww tht swahili was wayy easier to undersatnd.. lol.. thts cuz i sort of speak it that way..

[Jawhara]

^ lol same here    ...but I avoid speaking it..hehe..

[sayyeda786]

~Jewel~, on Apr 14 2006, 11:59 PM, said:

^ lol same here ...but I avoid speaking it..hehe..

lol.. maja aai katchi me bolanle swahili me paa atak je lol

[habib e najjaar]

s4ever:
he he, il giv u the real name ya all those dishes mulizo zi corrupt kwa sasa nina shughuli kidogo
but i couldnt resist MAKATE SANIA aka mkate sinia
KATUMBUA aka kitumbua

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mimi nime kula samaki wa kupaka on wednesdayy.. lol (is tht right swahili?)

yeah, wery wery good

btw im not khoja >_< i jus read the heading (in full) nikaona kumbe ni mwito kwa makhoja wote

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Lol, oh! Tell your taj mahal caterers to prepare for me a kuku paka dish!  

EDIT:  NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOoooOOO!! I just read about the cat thingy!  Yuck!! I don't want your taj caterers to prepare for me any kuku paka dish whatever.  

Have you eaten this kuku paka thingy, habibti??

he he, sure thingy
LOOL nah, the version which they call it would have a yucky meaning, but thank God it doesnt mean the way they said it. its kinda like barbequed fish (NO CATS ANYWHERE)
and yeah, i have eaten it lots of times...it would be a shame for someone to say theyhave come to the coast and have not had samaki wa kupaka

dw, il make it specially for u habibti (royal treatment ..only for my t...)

[Al Faraj]

habib e najjaar, on Apr 14 2006, 04:28 PM, said:

  he he, kama mzungu asipokijua kizungu si itakuwa ni mashaka?

ok, wacha nianze na yale makosa madogo madogo uliyonao ya kisarufi:

he he, sijui vipi kuitumia hiyo feature ya kuquote, lakini basically hiyo paragraph yako ya kwanza, badala ya kusema "kulisikia kiswahili chako" wafaa useme kukisikia kiswahili chako.

"baada kulisikia ujuzi wako" iwe "baada ya kuusikia ujuzi wako"

tosha kwa sasa,
s4 asije akaona wivu (african wannabe )
he he, usifanye wivu habibti... kaisee ho?  maa ru'yaak...

kuku=chicken, paka = cat or apply depending on where its used,
kuku wa kupaka is a swahili dish but i guess out there khojas have used it as their logo

and kuku paka khoja wannabe girl I know u forreal but il keep quiet

Wote muko wema Insha'Allah.

Kuitumia hiyo feature ya kuquote unaenda mwisho ya post, halafu unafaa kubonyeza hile button inayosema + QUOTE. Ushapofanya hivo una Add Reply kama kawaida na utaiona hiyo quote kwenye nafasi ya maandishi.

Nashukuru sana kunirekebisha, Kiswahili tumeisahau kabisa hapa. Insha'Allah tarudi kwetu karibuni. Tukumbuke kwa dua zenu.

Sorry about the swahili guys. I think we should collectively blame the one who started the thread for placing Swahili in the title instead of Katchi. Perhaps, the reason for the overwhelming responses in swahili.

Should you guys want to pick up on your swahili, might be useful to learn a few words and grammar from Sr. habib e najjaar during the Uni break. You never know, it just might be useful to have swahili in the armour if the papers get a bit too hot to handle. lol

Take care and until next time, Wasalaam.

Edited by Al Faraj, 17 April 2006 - 01:04 PM.

[sayyeda786]

Al Faraj, on Apr 17 2006, 09:00 PM, said:

Sorry about the swahili guys. I think we should collectively blame the one who started the thread for placing Swahili in the title instead of Katchi. Perhaps, the reason for the overwhelming responses in swahili.

No katchi here..

Al Faraj, on Apr 17 2006, 09:00 PM, said:

Should you guys want to pick up on your swahili, might be useful to learn a few words and grammar from Sr. habib e najjaar during the Uni break. You never know, it just might be useful to have swahili in the armour if the papers get a bit too hot to handle. lol

Yesss i want to speak better swahili.. .. k.. so till holidays..

[Al Faraj]

Mabrook, I congratulate the Kenyans on board the forum. Have a read through this and you'll know exactly why;

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Leadership wrangles turned violent during celebrations to mark the birth of Prophet Mohammed, leaving two people seriously injured.

Riot police had to intervene to protect the Imam of the Jamia Mosque in Kisumu, Mr Shaban Yusuf.

Hundreds of Muslims opposed to his leadership tried to storm the mosque, and hold parallel prayers. The protesters earlier marched through the streets to mark the Maulid, but were barred by police from entering the mosque where their rivals conducted prayers.

Police had earlier cancelled their planned procession "to avert chaos" after it emerged that the two factions had planned separate celebrations.

Yesterday, a group led by the Supreme Council of Kenya Muslims Kisumu branch chairman Abdulaziz Ayatola Komeini, defied the police order, saying they did not need a permit to celebrate the birth of the Prophet.

Dancing, chanting

Dancing and chanting "Allahu Akbar" – God is great – the Muslims marched from Kaloleni through the streets, and were headed for the Jamia Mosque when police stopped them.

Chaos erupted after they broke through the police cordon and tried to enter the mosque, as their rivals used missiles like stones to repulse them.

When Kisumu police chief Tito Kilonzi and his deputy Fred Wanzala restored peace, two people had been injured with stones.

The fight that lasted 10 minutes disrupted the procession, forcing the faithful, who included children, to retreat to the Kaloleni Mosque.

No arrests had been made, but Mr Kilonzi said police were investigating the matter to establish the ring leaders.

Yesterday's skirmishes was the culmination of deep running hostilities between two factions of Muslim leaders in Kisumu.

The group led by Mr Khomeini claimed the Imam had been imposed on them, and wanted him removed. It claimed the Imam had brought in anti-Islam ideologies.

Mr Khomeini said the Imam was supporting a group which had forced themselves on the leadership of the Kisumu Muslim Association.

Accused police

But members of the association and the supreme council accused police of favouring the other group.

An official, Mr Abdul Gafoor, who led yesterday's procession said a clique of Muslim officials were trying to bar them from using the mosque.

The future looks bright for back home. It's no longer a case of Ta'arrub ba'd al-Hijra for us, we are needed back home for pro-active measures.

Wasalaam.

ps: Sr. Sayyada786, I think if we did this the democratic way I think Katchi will get a YES vote, so I wouldn't dare say NO because I just might find an "Islamic Fundamentalist" label next to my name very soon. As for keeping this thread alive, I think Swahilis are very nationalistic as I said before; Bendera lazima ipepee!  

[habib e najjaar]

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i think though it would be a good thing if the muslims all over the country would unite for such functions
take for example the zefe and mawlid at makadara grounds on the 12th night..it was sad..the numbers are dwindling fast.(mombasa)

i wish our khoja brothers and sisters would give more support to this function..for one it would be a beautiful show of unity and hey after all , we all claim to be of the ummah of muhammad .secondly, the numbers would greatly increase. the memon community (sunni) used to come out in full force and the badala/lohar etc too, but now its becoming a really small affair with just a fraction of the number who actually used to attend.

I think like muslims everywhere else or at least in too many places in the world ,we are wayyy too focussed on our ethnic groupings, and forgetting our greater stronger bond of muslim brotherhood.

how is it that a great sunni aalim(who was actually a shia in taqiyya) in town dies and not one of our shia brothers attends the funeral? how is it that we commemorate the event of karbala and remember Imam Husayn and all the other aimmah behind closed doors? are we really loving the aimmah as we like to claim , or are we using the imams as a way of distinguishing ourselves from the others, and segragating ourselves.

are we ready to face our Imams and ask for their intercession as we are, or do we still have along way to go.
we will be mas'ool for what we did and how we used the opportunities presented to us. are we ready to answer regarding how we called people towards goodness and forbade from evil (amr bil ma'roof and nahy an al munkar)?

with peace

[sayyeda786]

Al Faraj, on Apr 18 2006, 02:28 AM, said:

Mabrook, I congratulate the Kenyans on board the forum. Have a read through this and you'll know exactly why;



The future looks bright for back home. It's no longer a case of Ta'arrub ba'd al-Hijra for us, we are needed back home for pro-active measures.

Wasalaam.

ps: Sr. Sayyada786, I think if we did this the democratic way I think Katchi will get a YES vote, so I wouldn't dare say NO because I just might find an "Islamic Fundamentalist" label next to my name very soon. As for keeping this thread alive, I think Swahilis are very nationalistic as I said before; Bendera lazima ipepee!

Yes indeed the future looks bright here..


I had no idea of that event in kisumu..

well since you think katchi will get a yes vote.. no need to vote then(I personally think the same as well)..lol we should get a mod to change the topic title to sumthin like: ANY GUJJU / SWAHILI / KATCHI SPEAKING PEOPLE HERE ?

habib e najjaar, on Apr 18 2006, 05:37 PM, said:

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i think though it would be a good thing if the muslims all over the country would unite for such functions
take for example the zefe and mawlid at makadara grounds on the 12th night..it was sad..the numbers are dwindling fast.(mombasa)

i wish our khoja brothers and sisters would give more support to this function..for one it would be a beautiful show of unity and hey after all , we all claim to be of the ummah of muhammad .secondly, the numbers would greatly increase. the memon community (sunni) used to come out in full force and the badala/lohar etc too, but now its becoming a really small affair with just a fraction of the number who actually used to attend.

I think like muslims everywhere else or at least in too many places in the world ,we are wayyy too focussed on our ethnic groupings, and forgetting our greater stronger bond of muslim brotherhood.

how is it that a great sunni aalim(who was actually a shia in taqiyya) in town dies and not one of our shia brothers attends the funeral? how is it that we commemorate the event of karbala and remember Imam Husayn and all the other aimmah behind closed doors? are we really loving the aimmah as we like to claim , or are we using the imams as a way of distinguishing ourselves from the others, and segragating ourselves.

are we ready to face our Imams and ask for their intercession as we are, or do we still have along way to go.
we will be mas'ool for what we did and how we used the opportunities presented to us. are we ready to answer regarding how we called people towards goodness and forbade from evil (amr bil ma'roof and nahy an al munkar)?

with peace

I see your point, and its really true and well said..
I guess us khojas here need to participate in events to strenghten the muslim brotherhood.

And that bit abt the sunni alim was really sad..I honestly had no idea about something like that.. but if he was a shia in hiding, won't other shias NOT know about him? i mean who will know he is a shia? (I'm not trying to justify, I'm just wondering)

[habib e najjaar]

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And that bit abt the sunni alim was really sad..I honestly had no idea about something like that.. but if he was a shia in hiding, won't other shias NOT know about him? i mean who will know he is a shia? (I'm not trying to justify, I'm just wondering)

tell me honestly...how would u know if u prolly dint even know he existed?
and besides ..how did i know he dint tell me..i found out which is what would happen through normal interaction with people.
and shias here do know him trust me...only they didn't come to him for dialogue or to discuss religion etc ..just for his herbal cures and whatnot..or duas etc.

he was first in a coma for 7months before he died ...and when he did..the pic from his funeral was on the front page of the paper (im not sure nation or standard) and yet we can say we did not know? plus..it came on tv (im assumingu watch the local news )
May Allah guide us, and remove the blindfold of prejudice from our eyes. (ilahi ameen!)

Edited by habib e najjaar, 19 April 2006 - 09:25 AM.

[Al Faraj]

Sr. habib e najjaar, I agree that the Khojas tend to get too fixed on themselves. We had a similar problem here in London where during Ashura there would be a procession by Shi'as in central London but the Khojas wouldn't be in a position to make it due to the time conflicting with their program. However, this year there was a change and there was encouragingly a larger crowd. Sometimes, it's not the people who are reluctant its just how things are set out. Not being too harsh on the Khojas though, all the other communities can learn a great deal from them.

I remember the mawlids in Makadara, unfortunately the Wahhabis and ignorant Sunnis,I am told, are deterring a large number from participating in these gatherings. I also heard that we have a clique (Shihabis) within the Khoja community in Mombasa who are furthering this mentality and deterring fellow Shi'as from commemorating processions for Ashura etc.

What we need is a coalition (forgive the use of this term following its recent abuse) of Shi'a youth, who are active back home. It doesn't need money, it just needs time, effort and most importantly sincere intentions. There is this "hippy" sort of culture back home with the youths, where you have to do a few things to be cool. Let's not look for big changes quick, it'll take time and this younger generation is largely responsible for future changes.

Honestly Sr. habib e najjaar, I do not agree with the mentality that the Khojas have this asabiyyah or prejudice and it's the same with all other communities. The fundamental issue at question is "ignorance" and until the community is enlightened so as to say, you will always see rifts and feuds across the spectrum.

Wasalaam.

[sayyeda786]

habib e najjaar, on Apr 19 2006, 05:22 PM, said:

tell me honestly...how would u know if u prolly dint even know he existed?
and besides ..how did i know he dint tell me..i found out which is what would happen through normal interaction with people.
and shias here do know him trust me...only they didn't come to him for dialogue or to discuss religion etc ..just for his herbal cures and whatnot..or duas etc.

he was first in a coma for 7months before he died ...and when he did..the pic from his funeral was on the front page of the paper (im not sure nation or standard) and yet we can say we did not know? plus..it came on tv (im assumingu watch the local news )
May Allah guide us, and remove the blindfold of prejudice from our eyes. (ilahi ameen!)

oh, wow.. i din't knw about that.. i watch local news sometimes, as for reading newspaper its normally the sunday papers or coastweek..

Al Faraj, on Apr 19 2006, 09:10 PM, said:

Sr. habib e najjaar, I agree that the Khojas tend to get too fixed on themselves. We had a similar problem here in London where during Ashura there would be a procession by Shi'as in central London but the Khojas wouldn't be in a position to make it due to the time conflicting with their program. However, this year there was a change and there was encouragingly a larger crowd. Sometimes, it's not the people who are reluctant its just how things are set out. Not being too harsh on the Khojas though, all the other communities can learn a great deal from them.

I remember the mawlids in Makadara, unfortunately the Wahhabis and ignorant Sunnis,I am told, are deterring a large number from participating in these gatherings. I also heard that we have a clique (Shihabis) within the Khoja community in Mombasa who are furthering this mentality and deterring fellow Shi'as from commemorating processions for Ashura etc.

What we need is a coalition (forgive the use of this term following its recent abuse) of Shi'a youth, who are active back home. It doesn't need money, it just needs time, effort and most importantly sincere intentions. There is this "hippy" sort of culture back home with the youths, where you have to do a few things to be cool. Let's not look for big changes quick, it'll take time and this younger generation is largely responsible for future changes.

Honestly Sr. habib e najjaar, I do not agree with the mentality that the Khojas have this asabiyyah or prejudice and it's the same with all other communities. The fundamental issue at question is "ignorance" and until the community is enlightened so as to say, you will always see rifts and feuds across the spectrum.

Wasalaam.

yeah i do see your point there..
you mention coalition.. how do we bring about a coalition?