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[inuit]

Volume 3, Book 41, Number 594:
Narrated Abu Huraira:

Two persons, a Muslim and a Jew, quarrelled. The Muslim said, "By Him Who gave Muhammad superiority over all the people! The Jew said, "By Him Who gave Moses superiority over all the people!" At that the Muslim raised his hand and slapped the Jew on the face. The Jew went to the Prophet and informed him of what had happened between him and the Muslim. The Prophet sent for the Muslim and asked him about it. The Muslim informed him of the event. The Prophet said, "Do not give me superiority over Moses, for on the Day of Resurrection all the people will fall unconscious and I will be one of them, but I will. be the first to gain consciousness, and will see Moses standing and holding the side of the Throne (of Allah). I will not know whether (Moses) has also fallen unconscious and got up before me, or Allah has exempted him from that stroke."

Bukhari Online

[mobeen]

It is Allah who knows best, Under what circumstances this hadith was spoken and what was the reason behind it is unknown to me, I am not the authority on this subject, and I have not studied this hadith in particular, actually I have never come across this one, inshallah I will look in to it and post back here.
For me I know that Prophet[saw] is Imam ul Ambia [saw].

[inuit]

mobeen, on Jun 4 2005, 12:03 AM, said:

(bismillah)

It is Allah who knows best, Under what circumstances this hadith was spoken and what was the reason behind it is unknown to me, I am not the authority on this subject, and I have not studied this hadith in particular, actually I have never come across this one, inshallah I will look in to it and post back here.
For me I know that Prophet[saw] is Imam ul Ambia [saw].

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Easiest way to quite is “It is Allah who knows the best”. When you ask questions to Shias you expect them to answer and keep repeating even if they answer you. You dont care when they say “Allah knows the best”. If you want to stay on this board in peace you have to answer these series of questions which you will face one by one.

You cant say the circumstances might be different. Hadith is quite straightforward. Answer should be straightforward too. If you say anything any thing which is not order by holy prophet (PBUH). You would be disobeying him.

So the question is still there.

[Shi3i*-Lebanese]

Prophet Mohammed is the master of all prophets and messengers.

Salam.

[.InshAllah.]

Thanks brother inuit,  

ws

[mobeen]

inuit, on Jun 4 2005, 12:35 AM, said:

Easiest way to quite is “It is Allah who knows the best”. When you ask questions to Shias you expect them to answer and keep repeating even if they answer you. You dont care when they say “Allah knows the best”. If you want to stay on this board in peace you have to answer these series of questions which you will face one by one.

You cant say the circumstances might be different. Hadith is quite straightforward. Answer should be straightforward too. If you say anything any thing which is not order by holy prophet . You would be disobeying him.

So the question is still there.

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A person exposes himself as ignorant when he/she decide to debate a subject he/she has no knowledge about and I am not such a person, If I do not know, it does not make you right, it only mean that I do not have knowledge of the issue.

[fitna-ashari]

can I  ??

[beeru]

Shi3i*-Lebanese, on Jun 4 2005, 08:29 AM, said:

Prophet Mohammed is the master of all prophets and messengers.

Salam.

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Right now, I will have the same answer, as brother mobeen has given, but I will believe in the above when I have seen a clear evidence from Quran or Sunnah in this favour.

In fact, we Muslims don't love to play this game, as who is superior, or who is the chief, this bug is in yours' head.
And also it doesn't make any difference with your Iman as who is superior.
Yes we hear about it a lot, and even I believed in that since my childhood, that Rasoolullah sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam is superior to all Prophets and Messengers but since I have gone through the above narration, I have been careful, so now I will believe in that after I have a sound evidence from Quran or Sunnah.

Edited by beeru, 04 June 2005 - 06:45 PM.

[inuit]

beeru, on Jun 4 2005, 06:42 PM, said:

In fact, we Muslims don't love to play this game, as who is superior, or who is the chief, this bug is in yours' head.
And also it doesn't make any difference with your Iman as who is superior.
Yes we hear about it a lot, and even I believed in that since my childhood, that Rasoolullah sallAllahu 'alayhe wasallam is superior to all Prophets and Messengers but since I have gone through the above narration

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Since your childhood, many things changed. these were never before that in this form, just came up since you born. Its called Wahabiyat. New name of Nasbiyat.

[Logic]

beeru, on Jun 4 2005, 11:42 PM, said:

In fact, we Muslims don't love to play this game, as who is superior, or who is the chief, this bug is in yours' head.

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Sure you do, The last time i checked it was your people saying "ayesha was the most preferred wife of the Prophet (Saww)" "ayesha was the most superior"

Is anybody else noticing that Mobeen has a lot of questions but no answers?

[inuit]

Mobeen even could not get help from KFC to solve this problem.

[umm_alawi]

Allah(s.w.t) says about the Prophet Muhammad   "inaka ala khuliqan atheem" u'r creation is a great creation many hadithes and narrations proves that he is no need to even bring them up cuz we all have them memorized.
and bro logic u'r pic is scary   can u remove it i dont find a reason to have such weird pic but of course its u'r choise
thank u
wssalam

[Firoz Ali]

inuit, on Jun 9 2005, 10:09 AM, said:

Mobeen even could not get help from KFC to solve this problem.

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Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali madad haq hai

no reply yet

Allah hafiz
Yaa Ali Madad
Muawiya pey lanat

Hussainiyat zindabad

yazeediyat Murdabad

[inuit]

beeru, on Jun 4 2005, 07:42 PM, said:

In fact, we Muslims don't love to play this game, as who is superior, or who is the chief, this bug is in yours' head.

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If that is Bug in head, then what is the following?

"Umar said: When I saw that they wanted to cut us from our root and wrest authority from us, I wanted to make a speech, which I had composed in my mind. As I used to treat Abu Bakr with gentle courtesy to some extent and considered him more sober and gentler than me I conferred with him about the speech. When I wanted to speak he said gently so I did not like to disobey him...He said 'Now then: O men of the Ansar, you deserve all the fine qualities that you have mentioned about yourselves, but the Quraysh, for they represent the best in lineage and standing. I am pleased to offer you one of these two men; render your oath of allegiance to any one of them you like. Thus saying he took hold of my hand and that of Abu Ubaydah b. al-Jarrah".

tarikh_altabari_v9_p193



Poonawalla, the translator of this edition of al-Tabari then adds a further segment of the speech of Hadhrath Abu Bakr to the Ansar, under footnote 1343:

"Baladhuri, Ansab 1, 582, cites the speech of Abu Bakr which shows how he argued against the Ansar. He states: "We are the first people to accept Islam. We are in the Center among the Muslims with respect to our position, and we are the noblest with respect to our lineage, and we are the nearest to the Messenger of God in relationship. You are our brethren in Islam and our partners in religion...The Arabs will not submit themselves except to this clan of Quraysh...You had not better compete with your Muhajirun brethren for what God has decreed for them".



In extolling the virtues of the Muhajireen, Hadhrath Abu Bakr also said that they were:

"the first on earth to worship Allah and were the patrons and the clan of the Prophet who tolerated and suffered with him and adversities and injuries inflicted upon them by their own folk who disbelieved them and all other people opposed them and alienated them".



Halabi further expands on Hadhrath Abu Bakrs' words:

"We are the relatives of the Apostle...and therefore we are the people who are entitled to the caliphate...It will be advisable to have the leadership among us and for you to be the Viziers".
Sirah, by al Halabi,Volume 3 page 357

[Logic]

umm_alawi, on Jun 9 2005, 07:12 PM, said:

bro logic u'r pic is scary   can u remove it i dont find a reason to have such weird pic but of course its u'r choise
thank u
wssalam

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done

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A person exposes himself as ignorant when he/she decide to debate a subject he/she has no knowledge about and I am not such a person, If I do not know, it does not make you right, it only mean that I do not have knowledge of the issue.

You opened so many eye opening threads, claimed to destroy shiaism completely and came back with a rebuttal everytime. Dont tell me afterall this you call yourself ignorant. If you dont want to answer cause the website you are ripping hasnt covered this part, then we will all understand..
I think we have played defensive with you long enough now its your turn to get on the hot seat.

[Firoz Ali]

Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali madad

inuit, on Jun 9 2005, 09:07 AM, said:

Mobeen even could not get help from KFC to solve this problem.

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That was a very nice way of putting -- when guys who are only asking questions after questions to shias when they find themselves into a very embarasing situation , this happens--

Allah Hafiz

Yaa Ali Madad

Hussainyet Zindabad
yazeediyet murdbad

Firoz Ali

[Theocratic]

Sunnis practically proove that Prophet was inferior to many prophets. Like they say that Prophet did not know till the age of 40 that he is prophet. While on the other hand Jesus in lap of his mother announced prophet hood. They say prophet was iliterate while do not have such faith for other Prophets. Sometimes they say that prophet commited mistakes like in prayers etc. Some times they say that Prophet did not have knowledge about worldy affairs etc etc.. . What can we say they are still muslim but we are kafir lolz

[khalifa]

The Prophet(pbuh) also said:


"Let no one of you say that I am better than Yunus ib Mata(as)".

Prophets are all brothers and they all have the SAME Iman!!!!!

And as we know, the judgement Allah gives to his servants is by their Iman. In this sense, Musa(as) Isa(as) and Yunus(as) are equal to Muhammad(pbuh) because their Iman is JUST AS STRONG!!! They all reached the level of Yaqeen. And as we know Musa(as) actually spoke to Allah without an intermediary, just as Muhammad(pbuh) did.

Having said that,...Muhammad(pbuh) was chosen above the others for this special task,...and by merit of his task he is in that sense "greater" than the other messengers.

But this is a STUPID game to play. Because it actually disrespecting ALL the Prophets,...you say Muhammad(pbuh) is better than Ayyub(as),...well you're actually saying Ayyub(as) is worse than Muhammad(pbuh). DISRESPECTFUL!!! We aren't even worth the spit of Ayyub(as) so we should hold out tongues out of respect.

[Fatimaa]

khalifa, on Jan 9 2006, 12:39 PM, said:

But this is a STUPID game to play. Because it actually disrespecting ALL the Prophets,...you say Muhammad(pbuh) is better than Ayyub(as),...well you're actually saying Ayyub(as) is worse than Muhammad(pbuh). DISRESPECTFUL!!! We aren't even worth the spit of Ayyub(as) so we should hold out tongues out of respect.

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Some people assume that they can tell what is going in others mind and heart.Isn't it great

Wassalam.

[khalifa]

^^^^

We can't see the heart,..thats why Allah told us to judge by actions.  I don't need to look at someones heart to know that their words are disrespectful to the ambiya.

[Aliya]

and yet you refuse to admonish, admit the wrongness of, or whatever, the actions and words of the one who called the prophet &HP delirious, and refused his request on his death bed Hmmm, I think I'm detecting a double standard

[Link]

Khalif, if u read suratal isra, you will realize the makamal mahmud was reach by Syedal Mursaleen through his actions (ie. the verse telling him to strive hard through subegatory acts in the night), and not just because of being tasked by the final message and news to mankind, however, that too proves his status, since the Quran needed a mirror just as the past revelations did, the Mirror of the Quran was Mohammad himself

There is nothing disrepectful of saying Mohammad is much much greater then all Prophets combined, his status being that high does not make their status any lower,  I can't touch the dust of the feet of Salman let alone a Prophet, and the Prophets have a much higher and sublime position in shia thought, it is sunnis who keep saying Prophets sin like us, do mistakes like us, are human LIKE us, etc,  we acknoledge they are human like us, but at the same time they cannot be compared to us and are of much higher sublime creation, it is shias, and do a search, that are constantly defending the isma of all Prophets and Awsiya

ma'asalama

Edited by Link, 09 January 2006 - 05:43 PM.

[Firoz Ali]

Theocratic, on Jan 8 2006, 03:03 AM, said:

Sunnis practically proove that Prophet was inferior to many prophets. Like they say that Prophet did not know till the age of 40 that he is prophet. While on the other hand Jesus in lap of his mother announced prophet hood. They say prophet was iliterate while do not have such faith for other Prophets. Sometimes they say that prophet commited mistakes like in prayers etc. Some times they say that Prophet did not have knowledge about worldy affairs etc etc.. . What can we say they are still muslim but we are kafir lolz

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Salaam Alaiqum,

Yaa Ali Madad

Yes u r right brother

The efforts r so confusing that when u read this threads started by brother Zurich u r amazed
Confounding Sunni Hadiths,
http://www.shiachat....topic=72499&hl=

Who is right, Prophet or Umar?, What Sahi Bukhari says.....
http://www.shiachat....topic=70243&hl=


2 minds of 1 Prophet?, Maazallah
http://www.shiachat....topic=70392&hl=

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it is sunnis who keep saying Prophets  sin like us, do mistakes like us, are human LIKE us, etc

So this proves that Sunni Islam is correct because the Quran says over and over and over that Prophets made mistakes, and that Allah will forgive the sins of Muhammad . Sunni Hadith fit in with Sunni Quran.

[Firoz Ali]

Can u give the Holy Quran refrences plz for yr claims

and the topic is still the same

who is superior??

dont change the topic plz

Edited by Firoz Ali, 14 January 2006 - 03:43 AM.