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[Muhammad]

I am new one here but hoping all of u well come me. I have been in great trouble since many years about the Quran . Is it complete ? Is it unchanged ? If it is not changed / incomplete then why ? iam asking this becoz some people says thay Holy Quran was Collected By Abo Bakr and Uthman....

Plz post ur views . BUt in very polite manner . Thanx.


Allah Hafiz.

[Muhammad]

PLz Answer .....

[sayedzeeshan]

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BUt in very polite manner

LOL, Brother you are getting into hot water.

Quran itself says "inna nahnu nazalna zikra wa ina lahu lahafizoon"
Indeed We have decended this book, and we are its protector

we need no further proof

[Muhammad]

[quote name='sayedzeeshan' date='May 31 2005, 08:11 AM']
LOL, Brother you are getting into hot water.[/B][B]


Yes abviously i know that iam getting into hot water . But i want to know what we all beleives about it. For Example . opponents says that shia beleives that Quran is changed and it is Incomplete. And to prove this they give some hadiths of "Asool-e-KAfii About Quran. So want to know whether their thinking r true r not

[Aliya]

we can give similar hadiths from the sahih collections of the non-shias. The point being that shias do not believe those hadith to be sahih, and do indeed believe in the completeness of Qur'an. A very good book online on the subject can be found here http://al-islam.org/protection/

[Shi3i*-Lebanese]

The Quran is complete Al Hamdolilah .

[Sayeda Jinan]

The Quran is complete but i can see where u r coming from- a sunni brother once told me that us shias believe some parts of the quran were taken out by abu bakr because they referred specifically to imam Ali but i am not sure if this is true or if it is just a statement to create fitnah

[Sayeda Jinan]

The Quran is complete but i can see where u r coming from- a sunni brother once told me that us shias believe some parts of the quran were taken out by abu bakr because they referred specifically to imam Ali but i am not sure if this is true or if it is just a statement to create fitnah

[Muhammad]

Sayeda Jinan, on May 31 2005, 04:19 PM, said:

us shias believe some parts of the quran were taken out by abu bakr because they referred specifically to imam Ali but i am not sure if this is true or if it is just a statement to create fitnah

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Dear Brothers and sisters . It is astonishing that i have got answer from only some people although thay r Thousands. But again i try. And ask to whom who beleive on any one of these.

1 : Quran is incomplete.

2: Quran has been changed or some verses have been removed?


IS there any one who beleives on any one of this. I will wait for ur answers. On the other hand i will ask to brothers (who r sying that Quran is Complete and have no changes) that then whats the meanings of thosoe hadiths qouted inBlessed Book Alkafi and other ones.

Thanx.

[SLAVE_OF_ALLAH]

salam

brother the QURAN IS COMPLETE 100% dude u gotta understand that wahabis have created fitnah wiht saying we believe its not complete.

THE AKBARIS who claim to be shia ithna asharis, believe the quran is distorted, they even go to the extent of making fun of shias and callign us non muslims as we believe the quran is complete. there are about 2000 akbaris in the world, and they far away as anything from Islam, they are not shias, not apart of Islam because they believe the quran is distorted

the hadiths in al kafi are mostly misinterpreted by sunnis or the intepretation is put into the wahabi style. There are some hadiths with weak chains that say their is distortion, but they are WEAK.

dude u gotta understand we are not like sunnis and we dont elevate our hadith books to the status of the quran like u do bukhari lol, see out of 17000 hadiths in al kafi only about 30-35% are reliable and hence there are many fabrications.

Just remmeber Imam Jaffar(as) said "if a hadith contradicts the quran, then throw it to the wall"(al kafi,wasili,behar)
so any hadith u find in al kafi that says quran is incomplete then it contradicts the quran when Allah(swt) says he will preserve the quran.

Plz do not mistake akbaris with us plz

there is only one type of real shia- twelvers(ithna ashari-usoolis)

wa salam

Edited by SLAVE_OF_ALLAH, 05 June 2005 - 01:28 AM.

[delight]

We say that so much of revelation has come down which is not
embodied in the present Quran that if it were to be collected, its
extent would undoubtedly be 17000 verses

Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh
Saduq, English version, pp 78-79.

[.InshAllah.]

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We say that so much of revelation has come down which is not
embodied in the present Quran that if it were to be collected, its
extent would undoubtedly be 17000 verses

Shi'i reference: Shi'ite Creed (al-I'tiqadat al-Imamiyyah), by Shaykh
Saduq, English version, pp 78-79.

Revelation includes hadith Qudsi.

ws

[Fazal Abbas]

Muhammad, on Jun 5 2005, 01:05 AM, said:

                          Dear Brothers and sisters . It is astonishing that i have got answer from only some people although thay r Thousands. But again i try. And ask to whom who beleive on any one of these.

    1 : Quran is incomplete.

    2:  Quran has been changed or some verses have been removed?
                IS there any one who beleives on any one of this. I will wait for ur answers. On the other hand i will ask to  brothers (who r sying that Quran is Complete and have no changes) that then whats the meanings of thosoe hadiths qouted inBlessed Book Alkafi and other ones.

                              Thanx.

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no matter whom you ask, you'll get the same answer i.e. QURAN IS COMPLETE, Allah(swt) has taken up the responsibility of protecting it