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[baker2000]

Salam alaikum,
I found something and I want to know if it is true or false. I would really like to know if it is something the sunnis made up or does it have any validity. I have been trying to trace back the lineage of Imam Jafar Sadiq and keep coming up to the same thing. Which I will post "Jafar Sadiq or Jafar Al Saddiq (pronounced Jafar As Saddiq) was born as Jafar Ibn Muhammad in Medina on April 20, 702. He was the son of Muhammad ibn Ali, also known as Muhammad al-Baqir and the grandson of Ali ibn Husayn, also known as Zainul Abideen. This made him a direct decendant of the Prophet of Islam - Muhammad SAWS (through Ali Ibn Abi Talib and Fatima Zahra and their son Husayn ibn Ali. His mother Umm e Farwah was the great grandaughter of Abu Bakr the first Caliph of the early Islamic State." Now is that true can he be related to Abu Bakr that doesnt make much sense to me. If you know his real ancestry please send me the correction or if not and this is valid can you send me the authentic shia sources? Thank you in advance,
Baker
Wasalam alaikum

[Zulfikaar]

baker2000, on May 22 2005, 10:17 PM, said:

Salam alaikum,
I found something and I want to know if it is true or false. I would really like to know if it is something the sunnis made up or does it have any validity. I have been trying to trace back the lineage of Imam Jafar Sadiq and keep coming up to the same thing. Which I will post "Jafar Sadiq or Jafar Al Saddiq (pronounced Jafar As Saddiq) was born as Jafar Ibn Muhammad in Medina on April 20, 702. He was the son of Muhammad ibn Ali, also known as Muhammad al-Baqir and the grandson of Ali ibn Husayn, also known as Zainul Abideen. This made him a direct decendant of the Prophet of Islam - Muhammad SAWS (through Ali Ibn Abi Talib and Fatima Zahra and their son Husayn ibn Ali. His mother Umm e Farwah was the great grandaughter of Abu Bakr the first Caliph of the early Islamic State." Now is that true can he be related to Abu Bakr that doesnt make much sense to me. If you know his real ancestry please send me the correction or if not and this is valid can you send me the authentic shia sources? Thank you in advance,
Baker
Wasalam alaikum

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[Zulfikaar]

Salaam baker2000. Here is a link to the book alIrshad by sheikh al Mufid. http://al-islam.org/...os/6thimam.html . It will give you a good history about our imam. But in response to what you ask, that Imam Sadiq can be related to Abu Bakr, sure, this is a fact and there is nothing wrong with that. First, we are all related by our father Adam, we are either brothers in Faith or in Creation (as Imam Ali used to say, as). Many of the Imams had relations with wicked people, the prophet's sawas uncle was abu lahab and an ardent enemy of Islam. Fadl alAbbas' mother was related to someone from Yazid's army and Ali al Aghbar's mother was the grand daughter of Muawayi. A person is judged by his actions and not his lineage, and if you look at Muhammad ibn Abu Baker, he was the friend of Imam Ali, while Aisha, his sister, was vehemently against Ali. Hope this helps.

[arsh_hussain]

Sister(edited after sis baker's reply tht she is a sis) Baker if ur topic was intended to ask as on one side its Prophet as grand and on other side its Abu Bakr then here is lineage i hope ll help u and also bro Zulfikaar mentioned as well in his post...

Banu Hashim:

Abd Manaf--Hashim--Abd al Muttalib--Abd Allah--Muhammed (Surah17 Glory be to Him Who made His servant to go on a night from the Sacred Mosque to the remote mosque of which We have blessed the precincts, so that We may show to him some of Our signs; surely He is the Hearing, the Seeing)

Abd Manaf--Hashim--Abd al Muttalib--Abu Talib--Ali (Surah5 Only Allah is your Vali and His Messenger and those who believe, those who keep up prayers and pay the poor-rate while they bow)

Abd Manaf--Hashim--Abd al Muttalib--Abu Lahab(surah 111 Let the hands of Abu Lahab perish, and let himself perish his wealth and his gains shall avail him not. Burned shall he be at the fiery flame,And his wife laden with fire wood,On her neck a rope of palm fibre).

Also From the same line i mean Abd Manaf is:

Banu Abd Shams:

Abd Manaf--Abd Shams--Umayya--Harb--Abu Sufyan-- Mu'awiya--Yazid.

Hope it is of any help and please correct me if i am wrong

Wasalam

Edited by arsh_hussain, 23 May 2005 - 04:39 PM.

[baker2000]

Salam alaikum,
Thanks that cleared up alot of for me and makes sense. Oh and am not a bro,
Baker
Wasalam alaikum

[Umm Zaynalabidin]

Rasulullah was closely relatd to Abu Lahab...