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[ImSunni]

Last Few Years Back HAfiz Mahir Mianwalvi Put Some questions on Shia SECTs, i Still didnt Get any Satisfectory answer From Shias, i'm not going to open a very huge Discussion but, place some question here just for the sake of knowledge.

i think, first i should introduce myself, My name is Syed Mohammad Mudassir Bokhari, i'm from Multan, recentely done my BSC, i'm fond to read Islamic History Books, and its my hobby as well,

well i'll post all the question, but just change the order, because, in start Most of the question are comman conflicts and everyone know about them.


Q. Kia Hazrat Umer (R.A) Hazrat Ali (R.A) k Lasani Damaad Aor Syeda Ume-Kulsoom Bintay Fatimah k Shohar nahen they ?

Agar app ko Inkar hay tu kia Tasleem kirnay walay mandarja Zael Shia Hazrat app sia kam-tar jantay they ya in main insaaf ka kooch Sha'a'ba Tha?

1: Sahib KAFI nia kin Ghanday Alfaz main is haqekaat ko Tasleem kia hay. "Yah Pahli Sharam Gah hai jo hum sia cheni ga'e hai"

2: Allama Shostari lithtay hain: "Agar Nabi nia Dukhtar Usman ko di tu Hazrat Ali nia Umer ko Day Di "

3: Allama AbbuJaffer Tusi (Al-Istabsar Page: 175):"Jab hazrat Umer fa'ot ho gay tu Hazrat Ali UmayKulsoom ko Idaat guzarnay k lia Ghar lay ahay", neez, tahzeeb main yah bhi rawayat hay k UmayKulsoom Bintay Ali aor UmayKulsoom ka Baita Zaid Bin Umer Bin khitab aik he sa'et main madfoon howay aor yah maloom na ho saka k phalay kohn mara, aik dosray ka kohe waris na howa.

4: Syed Murtaza ilm Mahdi mutafi nia Shafi main litha hay k Hazrat Ameer nia apni Baiti ka nikah hazrat ki marzi sia nahen kiya bulkay yah Aqad bar bar ki darkhasit per howa. Nika tu barhal ho gaya. Agar Hazrat Umer momin na they, hazrat Ali nia apni baiti sia zulam kia aor najaez kam kirwaya.


Thanks, and just waiting for your respone.

Edited by ImSunni, 11 November 2004 - 08:35 AM.

[YaMola]

Alright now ! .......... Thats about 8th time am replying to such question !

Here you go ......... Click Here

[hiina]

Assalam aliekum

isnt it true kay Umer ki baiti Hafza Hazrat Muhammad ki bv theen?
or Hazrat Fatima Hazrat Muhammad ki baiti theen
or Hazrat Kulsoom Hazrat Fatima ki baiti theen


Oh MY GOD
Oh MY GOD
OH MY GOD
hayeeeeeee mere Allahhhhhhhhh


phir Umer ka Hazrat KulSoom say kia rishta bana

[hiina]

and btw u really r sunni

[Peer]

Kia Ibne Abu Jahl, Rasolillah ka damaad nahi tha?

Edited by Peer, 12 November 2004 - 10:33 PM.

[YaMola]

Shireen, on Nov 12 2004, 04:26 PM, said:

lol hiina    sonyo tussi kithe o 

bro YaMola..kaddi sanu vi mauqa dawo reply karan da....meine to thread hi nahi dekha...yeh aya kaha se 

anyway that link should basically be sufficient 
here are 2 others.

http://www.shiachat....showtopic=41907
http://www.shiachat....opic=29718&st=0

etc.

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

These sunni ignorants can never get it.

1.AbuBakr (Father In Law of Grand father) ... (groom)

2.Hz Mohammad (Grand Father)

3.Hz Ali (Father)

4.Syeda Ume Kulsum (Bride)

Does this seem okay to every body ! .............. ofcourse not ...........
These God Damned ppl are marrying an 8 year old masoom to an old Santa !

[ShahLatif]

Quote

Kia Ibne Abu Jahl, Rasolillah pbuh.gif ka damaad nahi tha? blush.gif

you mean abu-sufyan (LA), right?

[Peer]

ShahLatif, on Nov 13 2004, 05:01 PM, said:

you mean abu-sufyan (LA), right?

<{POST_SNAPBACK}>

What?

Those who say Prophet had 4 daughters, say that Umme Kulthum binte Rasoolillah was married to the son of Abu Jahl (or Abu Lahab), who divorced her in the hatred of her father . Prophet later married her off to Uthman.

Edited by Peer, 13 November 2004 - 07:28 PM.

[alijan]

ImSunni, on Nov 12 2004, 12:55 AM, said:

Last Few Years Back HAfiz Mahir Mianwalvi Put Some questions on Shia SECTs, i Still didnt Get any Satisfectory answer From Shias, i'm not going to open a very huge Discussion but, place some question here just for the sake of knowledge.

i think, first i should introduce myself, My name is Syed Mohammad Mudassir Bokhari, i'm from Multan, recentely done my BSC, i'm fond to read Islamic History Books, and its my hobby as well,

well i'll post all the question, but just change the order, because, in start Most of the question are comman conflicts and everyone know about them.


Q. Kia Hazrat Umer (R.A) Hazrat Ali (R.A) k Lasani Damaad Aor Syeda Ume-Kulsoom Bintay Fatimah k Shohar nahen they ?

Agar app ko Inkar hay tu kia Tasleem kirnay walay mandarja Zael Shia Hazrat app sia kam-tar jantay they ya in main insaaf ka kooch Sha'a'ba Tha?

1: Sahib KAFI nia kin Ghanday Alfaz main is haqekaat ko Tasleem kia hay. "Yah Pahli Sharam Gah hai jo hum sia cheni ga'e hai"

2: Allama Shostari lithtay hain: "Agar Nabi nia Dukhtar Usman ko di tu Hazrat Ali nia Umer ko Day Di "

3: Allama AbbuJaffer Tusi (Al-Istabsar Page: 175):"Jab hazrat Umer fa'ot ho gay tu Hazrat Ali UmayKulsoom ko Idaat guzarnay k lia Ghar lay ahay", neez, tahzeeb main yah bhi rawayat hay k UmayKulsoom Bintay Ali aor UmayKulsoom ka Baita Zaid Bin Umer Bin khitab aik he sa'et main madfoon howay aor yah maloom na ho saka k phalay kohn mara, aik dosray ka kohe waris na howa.

4: Syed Murtaza ilm Mahdi mutafi nia Shafi main litha hay k Hazrat Ameer nia apni Baiti ka nikah hazrat ki marzi sia nahen kiya bulkay yah Aqad bar bar ki darkhasit per howa. Nika tu barhal ho gaya. Agar Hazrat Umer momin na they, hazrat Ali nia apni baiti sia zulam kia aor najaez kam kirwaya.


Thanks, and just waiting for your respone.

[alijan]

ya haqekat ha ka magar, ya sub Al-e- Ibraheem ke olad ha (frzand) hum loge anu ka amute ha. hum amutye ko ase bate nahee karne cha hee ha ka aun ke shan ma koe gostge ho.
ya to Hazrat Ibraheem ke oalad ha. Hazrat Mohammad Hazrat Ibu bakar Hazrat Omer Farooq Hazrat Osman and Hazrat Ali ore hum amute ha. hume inke zatee akhtaliq ko nazar anadaz karna chi he. aslyee humari Nabi Hazrat Mohammad ne sub ko sait apne pass batahya. ya sub Hazrat Ibraheem ke olad ha aipass ma reshtee kar sagete ha.

[alijan]

ya haqekat ha ka magar, ya sub Al-e- Ibraheem ke olad ha (frzand) hum loge anu ka amute ha. hum amutye ko ase bate nahee karne cha hee ha ka aun ke shan ma koe gostge ho.
ya to Hazrat Ibraheem ke oalad ha. Hazrat Mohammad Hazrat Ibu bakar Hazrat Omer Farooq Hazrat Osman and Hazrat Ali ore hum amute ha. hume inke zatee akhtaliq ko nazar anadaz karna chi he. aslyee humari Nabi Hazrat Mohammad ne sub ko sait apne pass batahya. ya sub Hazrat Ibraheem ke olad ha aipass ma reshtee kar sagete ha.



Syed Ali jan

[ya abaz zahra madad]

^first of all ur urdu is very bad is lyae roman urdu na istemal karay.
doosri bat k app ne jo logic paish ki hai wo intahai namunasib hai.
agur hum sub ummati hain aur hazrat ibrahim ki aulad hain to kya koi (astagfirullah nauzbillah) apnay nana se shadi kur sakta hai?
kya ye mumkin hai?
hina or Ya mola bhai ne jo samjhanay ki koshish ki hai us pe gor karain aur phir kuch bolain.

@imsunni app hawala day saktay hain k app ne aisay aqwal kahan se lyae?

[MOHIB E AHLAYBAIT]

ImSunni: Rasool kay pass Omar or Abu Bakar Hazrat Fatima ka rishta leykar gayee thay? Rasool nay kiyo beti nahi dey unhia kiya app bata saktay hai?? App is sawal ka jawab dein app ko ussi mei app kay sawaloo ka jawab bhee mill jayega.

[Jondab_Azdi]

I think many past shi'a scholars Shaykh Kulayni(ar), Shaykh Saduq(ar), Sharif al-Murtada(ar), etc. believed that Caliph Umar married Umm Kulthum bint Ali .

[syed ali abbas]

http://www.answering-ansar.org/answers/umm...um/en/index.php
MYTH Busted

[Aabiss_Shakari]

http://www.shiachat.com/forum/index.php?sh...c=70005&hl=


Iss ka jawab bhee kabhi nahin mila

Bhai Jondab_Azdi references honae sae kia hota hai agar woe cheez logically hee na mananae walee hoe

[Jondab_Azdi]

^Yes it may be illogical but not prohibited by sharia'.

I'm not sure whether this marriage took place or not. But some past shi'a scholar did believed in this marriage. They believed that certain circumstances forced Imam Ali(a) to accept the proposal of Caliph Umar.

Edited by Jondab_Azdi, 02 December 2007 - 02:37 PM.

[Aabiss_Shakari]

this is just confusion of same name. There was not such problem here. Ali a.s was forced to return Umm e Kalthoom bint e Abu Bakar as she came with her mother Asma bint e Umees. The girl which was given to marriage to Umer was Um e Kalthoom bint e Abu bakar

[Jondab_Azdi]

^Yes thats what majority of Shi'a scholars believe but the earliest ones believed that it was Umm Kulthum bint Ali. Some narrations in our books does says 'Umm Kulthum bint Ali'.

Edited by Jondab_Azdi, 02 December 2007 - 02:50 PM.

[alijan]

ShahLatif, on Nov 14 2004, 08:01 AM, said:

you mean abu-sufyan (LA), right?

Allah (Swt) ne sub ko Aziz rashte dar kya ha to hum amute ko atraz kyo.
Agr Nabi Mohammad ka chcah the Abu Jahal or Abu Lahib to rashte dari to ha na as se ankar kue.

Haqeqat ya Islam ma Raste dari nahe ha balke Towheed ore Takwa ha.
magar afsos ha hum amute Islam ma rashte dari ko lakir base kar te ha.
Nabi Mohammad ka charo dost (4 friends) amute ha bade ma raste talash kro.
Nabi ka charo dosto nahe Islam ke khadmat ke hum khtalf kar te ha. Allah (swt) ke raza Rasoollah ke raza Hazrat Ali aus waqat mojod tha aun ko ho he atraz nahe to hum ko kue.


Syed Ali Jan Hydari

[zuhair_naqvi]

Jondab_Azdi, on Dec 1 2007, 11:10 AM, said:

I think many past shi'a scholars Shaykh Kulayni(ar), Shaykh Saduq(ar), Sharif al-Murtada(ar), etc. believed that Caliph Umar married Umm Kulthum bint Ali .

Firstly, you are doing injustice to sunnis by accusing umer of marrying a girl who is by relation his great grand daughter which is INCEST. Secondly, you are striking the imamate of Mawla Ali (a.s.) by accusing him of allowing an unlawful marriage. Thirdly, I can guarantee you that there is no credible evidence in early shia literature which perceives marrying one's great grand daughter lawful; and even ethically humans don't mate in such relations, dogs do.

[Ichallenge]

ImSunni, on Nov 11 2004, 07:55 AM, said:

Last Few Years Back HAfiz Mahir Mianwalvi Put Some questions on Shia SECTs, i Still didnt Get any Satisfectory answer From Shias, i'm not going to open a very huge Discussion but, place some question here just for the sake of knowledge.

i think, first i should introduce myself, My name is Syed Mohammad Mudassir Bokhari, i'm from Multan, recentely done my BSC, i'm fond to read Islamic History Books, and its my hobby as well,

well i'll post all the question, but just change the order, because, in start Most of the question are comman conflicts and everyone know about them.


Q. Kia Hazrat Umer (R.A) Hazrat Ali (R.A) k Lasani Damaad Aor Syeda Ume-Kulsoom Bintay Fatimah k Shohar nahen they ?

Agar app ko Inkar hay tu kia Tasleem kirnay walay mandarja Zael Shia Hazrat app sia kam-tar jantay they ya in main insaaf ka kooch Sha'a'ba Tha?

1: Sahib KAFI nia kin Ghanday Alfaz main is haqekaat ko Tasleem kia hay. "Yah Pahli Sharam Gah hai jo hum sia cheni ga'e hai"

2: Allama Shostari lithtay hain: "Agar Nabi nia Dukhtar Usman ko di tu Hazrat Ali nia Umer ko Day Di "

3: Allama AbbuJaffer Tusi (Al-Istabsar Page: 175):"Jab hazrat Umer fa'ot ho gay tu Hazrat Ali UmayKulsoom ko Idaat guzarnay k lia Ghar lay ahay", neez, tahzeeb main yah bhi rawayat hay k UmayKulsoom Bintay Ali aor UmayKulsoom ka Baita Zaid Bin Umer Bin khitab aik he sa'et main madfoon howay aor yah maloom na ho saka k phalay kohn mara, aik dosray ka kohe waris na howa.

4: Syed Murtaza ilm Mahdi mutafi nia Shafi main litha hay k Hazrat Ameer nia apni Baiti ka nikah hazrat ki marzi sia nahen kiya bulkay yah Aqad bar bar ki darkhasit per howa. Nika tu barhal ho gaya. Agar Hazrat Umer momin na they, hazrat Ali nia apni baiti sia zulam kia aor najaez kam kirwaya.


Thanks, and just waiting for your respone.

Kahanyan banee huee hain. Nothing like this ever happened

[Panzerwaffe]

" JONDAB AZDI" great nic bro ! congratulations

yes I agree it was commonly accepted that umme kulthum which umar married was the daughter of Imam Ali

[ConvertedMomin]

Jis Umm-e-Kulsoom ki umar nikah kay waqt 17 Hijri mai'n 5 saal ho woh Bibi Fatima s.a., ki baiti kaisay ho sakti hay?