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[akamp]

Abu lulu killed Umar because Muslims of that time had made salves of Persian women and children. That was a response to imperial behaviour of muslims. He considered most arabs as ill mannered,  without etiquettes, and very harsh towards Ajams.

From the ruling elite war was encouraged to seize wealth, keep the muslims busy, and a way to avoid many issuses which would have popped up otherwise.

I remember reading a a statement of Umar where it is recorded that Umar use to wipe his hands on his shoes after eating and use to say that sandals are handkerchief of Umar and Aale Umar.

Brother Nader, if you read this; could you verify the authenticity of this statement among Sunnis.  I hope this is not much to ask from you.

Edited by akamp, 07 June 2010 - 09:30 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ninjaslim, on 07 June 2010 - 08:36 AM, said:

May Allah curse the killer of Sayedna Umar ibn al-Khattab .

why? because he killed an undoubted zaalim? he did the entire world a favour. muslims everywhere owe him a debt of gratitude.

[ShiaSoldier@2007]

Zareen, on 07 January 2003 - 01:07 AM, said:

..this was posted anonymously by a user

"Abu Lulua was heavily taxed, and thats all i know, and but the dagger in omars heart...and made for us farhat al zahra..when it is zul hijja month, 4 zul hija is the farhat celebrations. You know some say he was a non-muslim...then why did you heavily tax him. "

What is farhat Al Zahra?

  

Abu lulu planned to free himself and visit his family but what happened was Umar would not let him have any surplus of money through taxation and other things. So Abu Lulu decided to end Umar's life.

[Abdaal]

maula dha mallang, on 07 June 2010 - 10:01 AM, said:

why? because he killed an undoubted zaalim? he did the entire world a favour. muslims everywhere owe him a debt of gratitude.

According to you, Imam Ali couldn't protect his wife due to taqiyah so Abu Lulu took on the brave task. Indeed this is day of celebration after Ghadir. Even Salman Farsi , Abu Dharr and Miqdad could not accomplish what this Imami saint accomplished.

Edited by Abdaal, 07 June 2010 - 05:10 PM.

[abbas110]

^brave task? to kill Mr Khattab?  

Edited by abbas110, 08 June 2010 - 12:00 AM.

[aladdin]

Abdaal, on 07 June 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

According to you, Imam Ali couldn't protect his wife due to taqiyah so Abu Lulu took on the brave task. Indeed this is day of celebration after Ghadir. Even Salman Farsi , Abu Dharr and Miqdad could not accomplish what this Imami saint accomplished.

Mr. love of the ahlulBayt is back, who until yesterday didn't know about nabi Israel !

[Maula Dha Mallang]

Abdaal, on 07 June 2010 - 05:03 PM, said:

According to you, Imam Ali couldn't protect his wife due to taqiyah so Abu Lulu took on the brave task. Indeed this is day of celebration after Ghadir. Even Salman Farsi , Abu Dharr and Miqdad could not accomplish what this Imami saint accomplished.

stop making up hadiths to suit your agenda, abu hurraira. it doesnt impress me.

Maula Ali did not kill umar because at that moment the muslim ummah was fractured, confused, and attacked from all sides both within and without (eg attackers from byzantine were marching as it occured, a fake prophet called mohalamine was claiming prophethood) and fitnah was at an all time high. if Imam ali had killed umar, it would have meant civil war and the destruction of the muslim ummah and the end to the prophets mission.

the father ali's actions at the burning house saved islam
the son hussains actions at the burning desert of kerbala saved islam.

[aladdin]

maula dha mallang, on 08 June 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

stop making up hadiths to suit your agenda, abu hurraira. it doesnt impress me.

LOL!

Love it!

The true color of some people is finally showing up!

[89jghur32]

maula dha mallang, on 08 June 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

stop making up hadiths to suit your agenda, abu hurraira. it doesnt impress me.

Maula Ali did not kill umar because at that moment the muslim ummah was fractured, confused, and attacked from all sides both within and without (eg attackers from byzantine were marching as it occured, a fake prophet called mohalamine was claiming prophethood) and fitnah was at an all time high. if Imam ali had killed umar, it would have meant civil war and the destruction of the muslim ummah and the end to the prophets mission.

the father ali's actions at the burning house saved islam
the son hussains actions at the burning desert of kerbala saved islam.

Does that mean that Imam Ali would have killed Umar had those not been the circumstances?

May Allah curse the ones who lie against Maula Ali .

Edited by ninjaslim, 08 June 2010 - 09:59 AM.

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ninjaslim, on 08 June 2010 - 09:58 AM, said:

Does that mean that Imam Ali would have killed Umar had those not been the circumstances?

May Allah curse the ones who lie against Maula Ali .

LOL i suggest you research the event that occured when maula ali wore the red cloak.

the sole mission of the ahlebeyt was and is to preserve and save islam. the punishment of umar for his attack on bibi paak was not possible to be implemented by maula ali due to a higher cause.

dont even BOTHER trying getting into a "who can curse the worst" match with me sonny jim. ill eat you for breakfast.

[aladdin]

LOL!

Another one of those so called, "lover of ahlulBayt". Though, the true colors are showing up.

Even, doesn't know the Islamic law, "eye for eye".

[89jghur32]

maula dha mallang, on 08 June 2010 - 10:23 AM, said:

LOL i suggest you research the event that occured when maula ali wore the red cloak.

the sole mission of the ahlebeyt was and is to preserve and save islam. the punishment of umar for his attack on bibi paak was not possible to be implemented by maula ali due to a higher cause.

dont even BOTHER trying getting into a "who can curse the worst" match with me sonny jim. ill eat you for breakfast.

Keep lying and keep insulting the Maula .

[Maula Dha Mallang]

ninjaslim, on 08 June 2010 - 11:08 AM, said:

Keep lying and keep insulting the Maula .

such a succinct and effective rebuttal, honestly i dont even know to to counter.

[abbas110]

MODERATORS: could you please clean this silly thread and warn Abdaal to spill his venom elsewhere, preferably at some other forum.

Edited by abbas110, 08 June 2010 - 04:35 PM.

[aladdin]

abbas110, on 08 June 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

MODERATORS: could you please clean this silly thread and warn Abdaal to spill his venom elsewhere, preferably at some other forum.

[hitman_]

Abu Lulu and Yazeed deserve the same LA behind their names .

[Abdaal]

maula dha mallang, on 08 June 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

stop making up hadiths to suit your agenda, abu hurraira. it doesnt impress me.

Stop paying khumms to your marjas, so they can make your mourn more. If you want to mourn  then watch  Hollywood movies based on the holocaust.

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Maula Ali did not kill umar because at that moment the muslim ummah was fractured, confused, and attacked from all sides both within and without (eg attackers from byzantine were marching as it occured, a fake prophet called mohalamine was claiming prophethood) and fitnah was at an all time high. if Imam ali had killed umar, it would have meant civil war and the destruction of the muslim ummah and the end to the prophets mission.

the father ali's actions at the burning house saved islam
the son hussains actions at the burning desert of kerbala saved islam.

Again you are running away.. What about the other pro Ali Sahabis ? Why didn't they kill Umar . As for fake Prophets in your creed declaring imamate is worst.

As for  the objective shias  do you really think Umar was worst then Uthmaan ? Do you think he was equal or  worst then Muwaiyah and Yazid ? Abu Lulu was kaffir, and if he had done something in service of Deen then that honour would have gone to Pro Ali Sahabis. He was no shia. He was a Persian who only gave the Ummavis a greater chance to get into power.
Recall Nahj al-Balaghah when Imam Ali tells Muawaiyah that he looked for 100's of opportunity to become a shaheed, but Allah (swt) has not willed it.

abbas110, on 08 June 2010 - 04:34 PM, said:

MODERATORS: could you please clean this silly thread and warn Abdaal to spill his venom elsewhere, preferably at some other forum.

Stop praising Abu lulu. He had no connection to Imam Ali or the Ahlul Bayt . You are making up stories to suit your nafs.

Edited by Abdaal, 21 June 2010 - 05:36 PM.

[abbas110]

Abdaal, on 21 June 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

Stop praising Abu lulu. He had no connection to Imam Ali or the Ahlul Bayt . You are making up stories to suit your nafs.

No one has suggested that he had "connections" with the Ahlul Bayt . You are the one who needs to stop making things up and stop seeing things that do not exist!

Edited by abbas110, 21 June 2010 - 06:03 PM.

[Abdaal]

What did I fabricate ?

[abbas110]

What was this about >

Abdaal, on 21 June 2010 - 05:22 PM, said:

Stop praising Abu lulu. He had no connection to Imam Ali or the Ahlul Bayt . You are making up stories to suit your nafs.

[Abdaal]

Okay I did.
But you are also wrong when you said...

No one has suggested that he had "connections" with the Ahlul Bayt .

Your brother (maula dha mallang) in faith  did praise him.

[Darth Vader]

I don't think the true account of how and why Umar was killed will be unearthed until the 12th Imam appears. Because some things in the historical accounts about Umar's death, as they are today, really don't connect with each other. For example, in history there is also written that after the murder there was some outrage by one of Umar's sons IIRC or some sahabi, who ran into a house or two and murdered, while Abu Lulu was already supposedly lying dead in the mosque after stabbing Umar (popular version) and injuring other sahabis. So who were the others this sahabi/son was killing if Abu Lulu was already dead, and why? Its understandable that a lot of common people and bonafide hated the harsh, unmannered and oppressive Umar. I think there's definitely more to it but I can't quote hearsay unless I have written proof from some book.

[aladdin]

Abdaal, on 21 June 2010 - 06:20 PM, said:

Abdaal, on 21 June 2010 - 06:04 PM, said:

maula dha mallang, on 08 June 2010 - 09:34 AM, said:

stop making up hadiths to suit your agenda, abu hurraira. it doesnt impress me.

What did I fabricate ?

Okay I did.

The whole Ahlul Sunnah is full of abu Hurariah, they consider it being a feather in their caps.

akamp, on 07 June 2010 - 09:29 AM, said:

I remember reading a a statement of Umar where it is recorded that Umar use to wipe his hands on his shoes after eating and use to say that sandals are handkerchief of Umar and Aale Umar.

Brother Nader, if you read this; could you verify the authenticity of this statement among Sunnis.  I hope this is not much to ask from you.

Salam brother,

Don't hold your breath for an answer, Nader Zaveri is no where to be found when it comes to helping the Shia.

[Gypsy]

I found another topic about Abu Lulu http://www.shiachat....73901-abu-lulu/

[Zurarah]

salam

from my research there's no single proof that abu lulu'a was kaffir and people who claimed that he was munafiq who claimed to be muslim didn't enter his heart to know this and they even accused his daughter of nifaq and killed her even though she was muslim.

but why did he kill omar ibn khattab then this is not clear as there's too many conflicting reports but the most plausible one is that he had personal feud against omar for economic reasons.

wallahu alam