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[Queen Yoda]

Really interesting thread - Abu Lulu has my respect.

[master_ier]

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It will be great if somebody translate these sahih narrations into english.

Edited by master_ier, 29 October 2012 - 05:34 AM.

[Nader Zaveri]

master_ier, on 29 October 2012 - 05:33 AM, said:

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It will be great if somebody translate these sahih narrations into english.

I don't understand how that is proof, so he prayed Salaat al-Fajr in jamaa`ah? I don't think that is proof for him being a great guy. The ex-priests and ex-Rabbis who converted to Islam to promote their Jewish and Christian beliefs used to pray as well.

We are too busy worrying about Sunni narrations to prove his "greatness", why isn't there any SaHeeH Shee`ah narrations that proves his greatness? Majority of the narrations are narrated by the ghulaat (i.e. Muhammad b. Sinaan).

[master_ier]

Nader Zaveri, on 29 October 2012 - 11:10 AM, said:

I don't understand how that is proof, so he prayed Salaat al-Fajr in jamaa`ah? I don't think that is proof for him being a great guy. The ex-priests and ex-Rabbis who converted to Islam to promote their Jewish and Christian beliefs used to pray as well.

We are too busy worrying about Sunni narrations to prove his "greatness", why isn't there any SaHeeH Shee`ah narrations that proves his greatness? Majority of the narrations are narrated by the ghulaat (i.e. Muhammad b. Sinaan).

Brother, what does sunni say about Abu Lulu? ABU LULU AL-MAJOOSI!!! Have you ever seen any sunni saying that Abu Lulu accepted Islam, but he was munafiq, his true religion is majoos.

These sunni hadiths are proof against sunnis that he was muslim. Munafiq or mumin, it is the second part of discussion.  

If he is a munafiq, where is the proof for it according Quran and sahih hadiths?

If he is muslim, why do they say Abu Lulu al-Majoosi?

Edited by master_ier, 29 October 2012 - 04:01 PM.

[Nader Zaveri]

Yes, exactly. According to them he was a munaafiq. In order to be a munaafiq you have to be a Muslim, and put on this fascade of being religious.

I am mainly saying, before praising Abu Lu'lu' so much, we should see if our A'immah have said anything about him. If they are silent about him, then that should give you our view of him.

[musab33]

Yoda1, on 28 October 2012 - 07:10 PM, said:

Really interesting thread - Abu Lulu has my respect.

thats why we muslims wiped you out all over the muslim world
and thats the reason why youll soon be crushed in syria and
lebanon just like bahrain.

Edited by musab33, 30 October 2012 - 05:46 PM.

[Queen Yoda]

Tough talk coming from the people who are officially US and israels b****

All you lot do is terrorise people with your umar worshipping cult.

You are no muslim. Dirty salafis are nothing but filth.

Bring it.

Edited by Yoda1, 30 October 2012 - 11:55 PM.

[al-`Ajal Ya Imaam]

musab33, on 30 October 2012 - 05:45 PM, said:

thats why we muslims wiped you out all over the muslim world
and thats the reason why youll soon be crushed in syria and
lebanon just like bahrain.

You've done a pretty bad job considering that we have one of the ballsiest country as our heads (Iran), and that you haven't been able to do anything about use for the past 1400 years for us to keep coming back, face up to the truth Akhee, Shi'a Rawafidh just don't die
Also if you believe ending those countries will be a good idea nice, because they're like literally the only support left to Palestine, while your Sunni countries go kiss the butts of US and Israel..

[master_ier]

Nader Zaveri, on 30 October 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

Yes, exactly. According to them he was a munaafiq. In order to be a munaafiq you have to be a Muslim, and put on this fascade of being religious.

Can i see proofs?

[Gypsy]

Nader Zaveri, on 30 October 2012 - 10:10 AM, said:

I am mainly saying, before praising Abu Lu'lu' so much, we should see if our A'immah have said anything about him. If they are silent about him, then that should give you our view of him.

Not true. Being silent about something doesn't make it as a viewpoint.

Perhaps the Imams were in taqiyyah and were not really in positions to praise the killer of Umar al-Khattab? Abu Lulu didn't really do anything that would have been condemned by the Imams did he?

As far as I remember, we do have narrations of Imams promoting the killing of apostates and other misguided/deviant folks.

[Blacknight]

Yoda1

Tough talk coming from the people who are officially US and israels b****

All you lot do is terrorise people with your umar worshipping cult.

You are no muslim. Dirty salafis are nothing but filth.

Bring it.






Ok lil girl stop chatting bs thats all u seem to do?



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AND THEY TERRORISE AND KILL THEIR OWN MUSLIM BROTHERS I THOUGHT SHIA WERE THE ONES ALWAYS OPPRESSED???

LOL

Edited by Blacknight, 02 November 2012 - 09:56 AM.

[Queen Yoda]

Blacknight, ayubi etc - wahabi Internet warrior, imbecile.

I just wasted two minutes of my life reading your rant.

[Blacknight]

Yoda1

Blacknight, ayubi etc - wahabi Internet warrior, imbecile.

I just wasted two minutes of my life reading your rant.






Lols UR WHOLE LIFE IS A WASTE ANYWAY

[Queen Yoda]

Ok ayubi - whatever you say.

[Panzerwaffe]

Mohammad-Ali E.

From Isfahan for CAIS

LONDON, (CAIS) -- The tomb of Firuzan commonly known as Emāmādeh Abu-lolo (or Abu Lulu) in Kashahn, Isfahan province is being locked to visitors, it is announced there is a plan the shrine to be destroyed by the order of the Islamic Regime.

A large crowd of Iranians however, have gathered outside the governor's office on Tuesday, June 26^th, to voice their objection regarding the closure and possible destruction of the Iranian heritage, and a shrine which was one of the symbols of Iranian resistance against the Arab invaders in 7^th century CE, and to some, a Shia and a revered Sufi.

Umar al-Khattab, the second Moslem Caliph was put to death by Firuzan in 644 CE. It is said that Firuzan was a POW captured after the fall of Ctesiphon in what is today known as Iraq, and sold as a slave. A parvenu Arab leader called Mughira ibn Shu’ba bought him and took him to Medina in Arabia for slavery work.

Most probably Firuzan was a Zoroastrian (by some accounts he was a priest), as the majority of Iranian were at the time of Arab occupation of Iran in 7^th century.

“His [Firuzan] action was in response to atrocities that were committed by Arab-Muslim invaders in Iran, which resulted in massacre, rape, looting of our country – we Iranians never forgot nor forgive their crimes against us”, said one of the protestors.

Some Arab, as well as committed Muslim historians, in order to undermine Firuzan’s bravery and heroism have claimed (ultimately all derived from Ibn Shihab account) that he murdered Umar after an argument over the tax levy.

During the Safavid era and the rise of Shia Islam to power, the dynasty named him Bābā Shojā ul-Din (the one who is brave in the cause of religion) and claimed that he was a devout Shia and a martyr.

Another angry protester said: "they say he is not buried here - or some say he wasn't Muslim at all - so what? - as far as we concern this edifice represents him, our faith and resistance against the uncivilised invaders" - and another one added: "if Abu Lolo was an Arab, they would have erect a golden dome on top of his shrine, rather than destroying it - but no, no - they destroy his shrine, just because he was an Iranian - a noble Iranian - this is an insult to Iranian nation".

Mohammad Salim Al'awa, the Secretary-General of the International Union for Muslim Scholars (IUMS), who believes God have "created women for pregnancy and childbirth" purposes speaking to Al-Arabiat New-agency said: "the request for its destruction was delivered to Iran by a group of Arab representatives a few months ago, after the Doha assembly at the beginning of the year. At the assembly a large number of Sunni scholars asked Iran for the total destruction of the tomb".

"Imagine the Germans asking Britain to destroy the graves of the brains behind the British plan to kill Hitler [Operation Foxley] during WWII, sine it is considered an insult to Protestants - would the British accept that? - the murder of Omar by Firuz[an] wasn't to do with religion, it was simply removing a despot and a tyrant from the face of the earth - as the British wanted to do the same with Hitler", said N. one of the protestors outside the governor's office in Kashan.

Firuzan mausoleum located on the road from Kashan to Fins, constructed in an eleventh century distinctive Persian-Khwarezmian dynastic architectural style, consisted of a courtyard, porch and conical dome decorated with turquoise coloured tiles, and painted ceilings. The Original date of it's construction is unknown, but in second-half of fourteen century it was fully restored and a new tombstone was placed over his grave.

http://www.cais-soas...e2007/28-06.htm

[Darth Vader]

Abu Lulu is an icon of defiance in the face of tyranny. He's William Wallace of Hijaz. A brave man who should be commended, respected and followed. He avenged an entire oppressed ummah and the noble daughter of the Prophet . In a sane world, poems would have been written in his honor and bards singing it for ever.

[Rasul]

Yoda1, on 02 November 2012 - 01:47 PM, said:

Ok ayubi - whatever you say.

It is obvious - that he is ayubi

[Panzerwaffe]

This pathological obsession with Abu Lulu is understandable for secular nationalist iranians, but for those who claim to be "shia" its quite comical esp since in the time of Ali b abitalib iranians revolted and he had to send Ziyad b Abih to deal with them and crush their revolt ( this ubaidullah b ziyads father btw)

[Darth Vader]

Ok, once again, Sherlock expresses his innocent ignorance towards the reason why Abu Lulu brutally slew and got rid of Umar ibn Khattab. Jesus H. Christ. This is THE problem with Sunnis. Read your god damned books! He'll go on chirping and insulting all Shia hold dear as he digs up archeological ruins to find the most vague and weak sources that are and will remain obscure to everyone but him, but when it comes to one of his demigods he goes deaf and blind to ALL historical evidence. Bravo.

[Panzerwaffe]

Please enlighten me why he did and also report ur source my dear watson

[Darth Vader]

How can I when we have a very great sahaba history analyzer like yourself?^^^^

[Panzerwaffe]

On the contray im dazzled by your brilliant analytic reasoning  and logical deduction..
I merely collect information or try to

Edited by Panzerwaffe, 04 November 2012 - 04:25 PM.

[Queen Yoda]

Rasul, on 03 November 2012 - 07:53 AM, said:

It is obvious - that he is ayubi

He isnt even trying to cover it up

[Vigilare]

Darth Vader, on 03 November 2012 - 02:57 AM, said:

Abu Lulu is an icon of defiance in the face of tyranny. He's William Wallace of Hijaz. A brave man who should be commended, respected and followed. He avenged an entire oppressed ummah and the noble daughter of the Prophet . In a sane world, poems would have been written in his honor and bards singing it for ever.

Agree 100%.  This man, a captured slave from Persia, managed to single handedly kill Umar The Oppressor, a feat that no man from Banu Hashim would do to avenge their Lady Fatima, nor any sahabi who would avenge the daughter of their Holy Prophet.  And not only did this man remove the oppressor, he also caused the deaths of other Muslims (no doubt also evil) and according to some reports also took his own life.  

A True Muslim Hero.

Indeed.