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[Abdul Reza]

Abdulhujjah, on Aug 15 2004, 11:10 AM, said:

pls guys when the antimason pops up, report him so he can be banned, we can do without his idiocy.

pls guys when shabbirh pops up, report him so he can be banned, we can do without his idiocy.

Im qizil btw

Edited by Abdul Reza, 15 August 2004 - 12:30 PM.

[FriendlyGuy]

Please allow me to clarify my position:

I am totally against the US forces in Iraq, especially the holy cities of Najaf and Karbala (well, I don't mind them in the wahabi places like fallujah), but I really would prefer that they be sent on their way home.

I simply believe that the person best qualified to get them out of Iraq, in the fastest, most logical, and successful manner is Ayatollah Sistani - not Sadr.

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FG

[Jondab-Ali]

Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim


Salaams to the Believers,

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(well, I don't mind them in the wahabi places like fallujah)

This is really indicative of your belief.

Wasalaam,


Jondab Ali

[FriendlyGuy]

Brother Jondab,
Who else do you think is bombing the Shia masjids? Bombing the streets? Bombing everyone and everything into hell? All of this is occuring in Iraq my brother. I don't mind at all that the US expends its resources and the deaths of its own soldiers to stop the wahabi menace.

We should all remember: the Muslim world is 1.2 billion strong: why does Israel exist? The muslim world is 1.2 billion strong - why are we not united?

Bush has only been around for 4 years, and if u count the other Bush maybe 10 - 15 years. However, the Muslim world has been near the billion mark for almost a century. No my friends, it is the other "W" that is Islam's greatest enemy.

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FG

[Jondab-Ali]

Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim


Salaams to the Believers,

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Who else do you think is bombing the Shia masjids? Bombing the streets? Bombing everyone and everything into hell? All of this is occuring in Iraq my brother. I don't mind at all that the US expends its resources and the deaths of its own soldiers to stop the wahabi menace.

Fallujans are wahabiyyah? Since when? Because the US says that al-Qaeda are in Falluja? We should know better than to fall into the trap of the enemies in dividing Muslims.

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Covering their faces, the resistance fighters said in a tape aired by Reuters that the American allegations are part of a "game of the American invader forces".

"The American invader forces claim that Zarqawi, and with him a group of Arab fighters, are in our city," one masked man read from a piece of paper.

"We know that this talk about Zarqawi and the fighters is a game the American invader forces are playing to strike Islam and Muslims in the city of mosques, steadfast Fallujah."

--Source: IslamOnline.net

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We should all remember: the Muslim world is 1.2 billion strong: why does Israel exist? The muslim world is 1.2 billion strong - why are we not united?

Exactly.

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Bush has only been around for 4 years, and if u count the other Bush maybe 10 - 15 years. However, the Muslim world has been near the billion mark for almost a century. No my friends, it is the other "W" that is Islam's greatest enemy.

"Shia's" can be just as bad, let's not fool ourselves here. Sectarianism under the guise of unity doesn't get us anywhere.

Wasalaam,


Jondab Ali

[The Past Is In The Present]

Being a sunni, I respect Muqatdar Al-Sadrs stance against the real enemy of Islam, its good to see unity between the sunni-shia mujhaideen of Iraq. The beginning of the end for this shaitan has begun.

Edited by The Past Is In The Present, 15 August 2004 - 09:44 PM.

[Rowdy]

Sadr is qualified to lead boy scouts, not the Iraqi people.

Edited by Rowdy, 15 August 2004 - 09:35 PM.

[YA ZAHRA]

Rowdy, on Aug 16 2004, 02:32 AM, said:

Sadr is qualified to lead boy scouts, not the Iraqi people.

You're in no position to declare the qualifications of any Muslim.

Edited by YA ZAHRA, 15 August 2004 - 09:43 PM.

[Rowdy]

YA ZAHRA, on Aug 15 2004, 09:43 PM, said:

Rowdy, on Aug 16 2004, 02:32 AM, said:

Sadr is qualified to lead boy scouts, not the Iraqi people.

You're in no position to declare the qualifications of any Muslim.

We all have a position on this planet and can express our opinions. Just like others who worship him.

[Abdul Rahman]

Support Muqtada, and they will support Communists like Che

[Rowdy]

Abdul Rahman, on Aug 16 2004, 02:02 AM, said:

Support Muqtada, and they will support Communists like Che

Nothing wrong with communism in theory, but difficult to implement in reality.

[Abdul Rahman]

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Nothing wrong with communism in theory, but difficult to implement in reality.

There is not much of a difference between islamic form of governance, and communism. The real difference is that the leader is already chosen, who is going to implement it

[ehle]

Creators Child, on Aug 13 2004, 02:35 PM, said:

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maybe you are repressed
and blinded by your own culture

Problem of the statement is, I have been all over the world, seen other countries and cultures, the U.S. and west in general and some Oriental countries, are infinately better to live in then the third world, of which most of Islam resides.

Funny thing, even the most virulent of America haters on this board, refuse to leave here, why is that?

so there's noproblem

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the reason i'm still here is because i'm waiting for what i'm waiting for



what i don't understand is why now
what's next thursday

[Shabbirhh]

YA ZAHRA, on Aug 15 2004, 09:43 PM, said:

Rowdy, on Aug 16 2004, 02:32 AM, said:

Sadr is qualified to lead boy scouts, not the Iraqi people.

You're in no position to declare the qualifications of any Muslim.

Youn tell him, my old foe!

[revolutionary guard 1979]

  

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Of course the diplomatic edging for resisting of any occupation in this world needs some times to supporting by the force to protect its quests if the invader used the force against its quests but this decision( force using) is in our scholars' hand and is not in the general people's hand  because it's allergic matter could lead to a big alluring between the people, if you know what I mean?

No I do not know what you mean. Please clarify your question.

You stated that 'force using' was the decision of our scholars, are you suggesting that I am not Islamically permitted to engage in physical resistance against an occupying oppressive force because my Marja did not give his permission?

A clear decisive yes or no would be appreciated.

If your answer is yes, I am not Islamically permitted to engage in physical resistance unless my marja tells me to do so, then I want you to direct this theory of yours and ask your marja if this is correct. You see I know the answer, but obviously your kind have chosen to stay ignorant, so I ask you to step out of the cowardly pacifist life your living and just for a moment dare to confirm what you believe to be so.

I have been asking this question for a long time now. I have sent this question to www.najaf.org and I have still not received a reply, it has been over 6mths. I have also attempted to send this question twice via this forum to Sayed Modarrassi and the admins still have not been posted my question.

Clearly the implications of this answer will prove that the arguement you have adopted is essentially invalid.

[Salem]

Hey believers,
In fact I wonder,do we think that  sayed Sistani is defeatist in Iraqi people's issues against the invader?! or the rest of our scholars are defeatists also or sayed Abdul Aziz Al Hakim or sayed Bahr Al Ulum....etc.
Why we don't trust them?!
I think this is the question of the answering for all what is happening now in Najaf.

[Creators Child]

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QUOTE (Creators Child @ Aug 13 2004, 02:35 PM)
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maybe you are repressed
and blinded by your own culture




Problem of the statement is, I have been all over the world, seen other countries and cultures, the U.S. and west in general and some Oriental countries, are infinately better to live in then the third world, of which most of Islam resides.

Funny thing, even the most virulent of America haters on this board, refuse to leave here, why is that? 


so there's noproblem

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the reason i'm still here is because i'm waiting for what i'm waiting for

Are you waiting for an invitation to leave?

Ok, PLEASE LEAVE, we don't need america haters infesting our country like parasites!

[proudshiite]

Rowdy, on Aug 16 2004, 02:07 AM, said:

Abdul Rahman, on Aug 16 2004, 02:02 AM, said:

Support Muqtada, and they will support Communists like Che

Nothing wrong with communism in theory, but difficult to implement in reality.

Communism can be impemented only if it includes spirituality. Any society without God will callaps.  The real communsm will only come about by divine intervention.

[revolutionary guard 1979]

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Hey believers,
In fact I wonder,do we think that sayed Sistani is defeatist in Iraqi people's issues against the invader?! or the rest of our scholars are defeatists also or sayed Abdul Aziz Al Hakim or sayed Bahr Al Ulum....etc.
Why we don't trust them?!
I think this is the question of the answering for all what is happening now in Najaf.

You did not answer my question.

*sigh*

So difficult to get a straight answer.

[smmz]

al sadr is a power hungry moran. he has no place hiding like a coward in imam alis masjid. all him and his curropt ragime want is power they dont care about the interusts of the iraqi ppl. a democratic goverment is about to be build an al sadr just ruined it. of corse the goverment is going to support westyern intrusts but it would be way beter than sadr's curropt regime. why is he against the iraqi goverment there is no reason to rise against the iraqi goverment , why dont the ppl of hazara in afghanistan rise against thier goverment. there is no point. the man is an idiot killing shias an others for a false cause. his goals are led by personal ambition, the outcome of this whole situation will not be in the intrusts of either side.

[Jondab-Ali]

Bismillah al-Rahman al-Rahim


Salaams to the Believers,

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al sadr is a power hungry moran.

Aye, those morans are a real pain.

On a more serious note, isn't there any sort of moderation in this forum, when it comes to disrespect to ulema, other Muslims, etc?

Wasalaam,


Jondab Ali

[YA ZAHRA]

Salem, on Aug 16 2004, 04:35 PM, said:

Hey believers,
In fact I wonder,do we think that  sayed Sistani is defeatist in Iraqi people's issues against the invader?! or the rest of our scholars are defeatists also or sayed Abdul Aziz Al Hakim or sayed Bahr Al Ulum....etc.
Why we don't trust them?!
I think this is the question of the answering for all what is happening now in Najaf.

  

Wise words.

[revolutionary guard 1979]

Still no answer. The censorship/silence continues.

[S.O.A]

"On a more serious note, isn't there any sort of moderation in this forum, when it comes to disrespect to ulema, other Muslims, etc?"

Other Muslims? Saddam is a Muslim, Yazeed was a muslim, Bin Ladin is a muslim, Sadr is muslim...i am a muslim, you are a muslim...whats your point exactly?

[Qizilbash110]

-respect in return demands respect.