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[Afghan_Muslimah]

Salaam Alaikum,

I was talking to my cousin the other night and she was telling me how there is a $6 million mosque in Australia. I thought that that was pretty contradictory to Islam. We don't need all of this design and materialistic additions to our mosque when instead we can use that money to help the poor and starving people and orphans of Afghanistan, pakistan, india, africa.....


Why do we decorate our mosques so? with all of this gold and extra trim.......that's a contradiction itself. What do you all think?


Wasalam,
Eman

[meeraj]

Believe it or not 6 Million Dollars is a little amount, there is a Mosque being build
in Abu Dhabi UAE. The Construction had started more than five years ago and will
take more than 3 years from now to complete.

The Cost has run in to Millions. Who cares for Poor People.

All this Millions are going to European and US Contractors.

These Millions will be Budget of a Small Country.

This is very much contradictory to Islam. But No Body Dare say

Wa Salam

[fyst]

yes, i agree spending extra just to improve the appearence and not the functionality is waste (israaf). and that is clearly unislamic.

[Haji 2003]

Well it depends on the size of the congregation doesn't it?

It also depends on the price of land in the locality and where people can get to easily.

The Stanmore Husseini Centre in North London must be getting close to the equivalent of AUS$6m.

But is it extravagent/lavish?

No.

It just happens to be in a very expensive part of London and for those Shias who live in North London it is very easy to get to.

It was also a very shrewd investment, because it was bought for a much lower price.

In contrast the Muhammadi Trust who have been around for just as long (if not longer) had always gone for renting halls in Muharram.

Definitely no extravagance there.

But now they still have nothing.

You can't make blanket statements about these things.

[Afghan_Muslimah]

Oh no brother, its gorgeous or so they say.


"When you're in it, you feel like you're in a palace" is what an Australian sister told me.....

It is a waste. What you're saying is understandable though. You know?


wasalam,
Eman

[Hasnain]

I agree sister 6 million is almost nothing. The mosque being built in Toronto is not fancy or anthing and it is costing more them a dozen million dollars...

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

i took pics of this mosque when i was in sydney...want me to post them??

ws

[Hasnain]

Sure brother. Naiki aur woh bhi puch puch...

[yasseral1]

please do-I'm rather curious now!!

we alekom es selam

Yasser

[Kizilbash]

Salam

The Mosque being built in Toronto at 9000 Bathurst is costing in the Tens of millions

Edited by Kizilbash, 31 May 2004 - 08:18 PM.

[khalf_al_Quaed]

can we see a picture of this super-Mosque?

[SadrasStudent]

Art is not israaf. I do not mean to comment on this particular issue of this particular masjid. However, the low (or even negative) value many Shia brothers and sisters attach to the arts disturbs me deeply.

[Afghan_Muslimah]

Ya Aba 3abdillah, on May 31 2004, 08:01 PM, said:

i took pics of this mosque when i was in sydney...want me to post them??

ws

please do ya aba, I want to see what it looks like.

I know I'll see it this summer inshallah when I'm in Australia, but i want to see if it was a wast or not

I know it really depends on the price and all but this one seems really decorated.

Br. ya aba will fix that. Thanks

wasalam,
eman

[Ya Aba 3abdillah]

i could be wrong, but i believe this is the mosque here. this is the one i took pictures of from the outside. it's the biggest mosque in sydney

http://www.icnsw.org.au/amosque2.html

ws

[Afghan_Muslimah]

SadrasStudent, on May 31 2004, 09:09 PM, said:

Art is not israaf. I do not mean to comment on this particular issue of this particular masjid. However, the low (or even negative) value many Shia brothers and sisters attach to the arts disturbs me deeply.

Salaam Alaikum,

No one is downing art but when only when it comes to places of worhship. Instead of spending that money on extras for the mosque, it would do so much better in helping orphans or other needy people. And the merits of that are by far much more. It's just really contradictory. Islam stresses charity so much and giving what we have to the poor, it's a shame if our mosques are decorated with extras while are our own are starving

Wasalam,
Eman

[Afghan_Muslimah]

Ya Aba 3abdillah, on May 31 2004, 09:21 PM, said:

i could be wrong, but i believe this is the mosque here. this is the one i took pictures of from the outside. it's the biggest mosque in sydney

http://www.icnsw.org.au/amosque2.html

ws

Salaam alaikum


That's what I mean, chandeliers in a mosque are a waste and a shame. It really is..... <_<

Wasalam,
Eman

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[Salaam1]

Ya Aba 3abdillah, on May 31 2004, 09:21 PM, said:

i could be wrong, but i believe this is the mosque here. this is the one i took pictures of from the outside. it's the biggest mosque in sydney

http://www.icnsw.org.au/amosque2.html

ws

$6 millions gets you a lot more in Australia than it does in North America!

[khalf_al_Quaed]

Ya Aba 3abdillah, on Jun 1 2004, 02:21 AM, said:

i could be wrong, but i believe this is the mosque here. this is the one i took pictures of from the outside. it's the biggest mosque in sydney

http://www.icnsw.org.au/amosque2.html

ws

WOWZAHS!!!!

[jlainqatar]

Selam alaycom,

From the site:

The Turkish community started praying in a house purchased through our Society for this purpose, and kept on purchasing other houses adjacent to the property as their needs grew.
In 1986 it was decided to amalgamate the land and build one large mosque over 3.5 hectare (approx. 4,000 sqm) on the model of Sultan Ahmed Mosque in Istanbul (classic Ottoman architecture) to accommodate over 5,000 Muslims.
This great monument of Islamic faith also serving as a sign of cultural finesse of the Muslim world has already become a famous landmark in Sydney as its magnificent skyline with a huge dome and two slender minarets is clearly visible to thousands of commuters travelling every day on the suburban and inter urban trains and the public using the Highway nearby.

Since the establishment of the Society in 1976, the Centre has been providing the following services to the growing and diversified Muslim community:
The Mosque (previously in an old house converted into a prayer hall) opened 24 hours for congregational prayers;
Daily Qur'an reading classes for 200-250 Muslim children after normal Public School hours;
Evening Qur'an and Islamic Knowledge classes for senior male Muslim students three nights a week;
Evening Qur'an and Islamic Knowledge classes for senior female Muslim students alternate three nights a week (conducted by a senior Muslim lady teacher);
Daily average two question-answer sessions regarding Islam for visiting non Muslim students and neighbours;
Visits of Muslim families on twice weekly basis;
Visit of jails, hospitals, refugee centres;
Provision of voluntary Islamic teachers to government schools to teach Islam to young Muslim students during school hours once a week.
In future, insha-Allah, the new Mosque building will be utilised to provide better environment for above activities.
Also plans are being finalised and work being done to open a government recognised Islamic School managed by our Society in the neighbourhood.

It's serving its purpose and is a good 'advertisement' for islam.

Peace,
Um Ali

[The_Mighty_Arab]

i think it is great.

At the end of the day, there is enough money to build nice mosques, and feed the poor. You can look into a million different things that people spend money on which could help the poor. At least a mosque with good facilities can attract people to Islam, and give good publicity, as well as cater for thousands of muslims.

This is a big fuss over nothing.

[alifaia]

The Imam Ali roza in iraq has solid gold bricks used in its dome as well as the minerats...

[zanyrulez]

The_Mighty_Arab, on May 31 2004, 11:51 PM, said:

i think it is great.

At the end of the day, there is enough money to build nice mosques, and feed the poor. You can look into a million different things that people spend money on which could help the poor. At least a mosque with good facilities can attract people to Islam, and give good publicity, as well as cater for thousands of muslims.

This is a big fuss over nothing.

I agree completely.....

There is nothing wrong in spending money for making mosques
ofcourse helping the poor is important too.
But why cant muslims have big beautiful mosques?
I mean ppl belonging to other religions have very grand places of worship ...

[imran_lymbellya]

its a beautiful mosque.. ive been/prayed there a few times during my stay in sydney.. superb by itself .. i dont see the need to upgrade the mosque..

salams..

[Peace]

I thought one of the pics looked like the inside of Yazid's palace. Anyways the imams (pbut) shrine are a diff topic altogether. Extravagance and lavishness are a waste of money. I think the people who are putting up the money would do well to give the majority of their money to feeding people. Im sorry but chandeliers and the rest are unecessary. Make the mosque, practical , clean bright and airy and that is enough. The money could be used for helping out the community.

[vsg]

^ buidling big mosques in places like Australia (or say Toronto) is a need, not only luxury, and if we are making them big whts harm of making them as much glorified and beuitiful as possible ?