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[salmany]

sAllam

1. I follow the Chishti Tariqa and my Shuaikh has Ijaza in 4 Tariqas.

2. The name of my Shaikh is Hazrat Muhammad Nurul Amin (db). Other prominent Shaikhs are Mufti Muhammad Hasan, Maulana Ashraf Ali Thanvi, Hajji Imdadullah.

3. We have 4 chains:

Prophet Muhammad (Saw)
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Hazrat Ali
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Hazrat Hasan Basri
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Hazrat Abu al-Fadl Abdul Wahid Ibn Zayd
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Hazrat Abu al-Fayd Fudayl Ibn Iyad
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Hazrat Ibrahim ibnn Adham Balkhi
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Hazrat Khwajah Sadiuddin Hudhayfa Marashi
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Hazrat Khwajah Aminuddin Abu Hubayrah Basri

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Prophet Muhammad (saw)
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Hazrat Ali
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Hazrat Imam Husayn
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Hazrat Imam Ali Zayn Al Abidin
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Hazrat Imam Muhammad Baqir
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Hazrat Imam Jafar as-Sadiq
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Hazrat Iimam Musa al-Kazim
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Hazrat Imam Ali Rida
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Hazrat Maruf Karkhi
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Hazrat Sari Saqati
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Hazrat Junayd Baghdadi

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Prophet Muhammad (Saw)
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The Caliph Hazrat Abu Bakr as-Siddiq
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Hazrat Salman Farsi
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Hazrat Qasim Bin Muhammad Bin Abi Bakr
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Hazrat Imam Jafar as-Sadiq
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Hazrat Shaykh Abu-Yazid Tayfur Bistami
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Hazrat Abu al-Hasan Ali ibn Ahmad Kharaqani
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Hazrat Abu Ali Farmadi Tusi

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I forgot the fourth

Sallam

[New Sunni]

Brother,
Sufism is a bidaah which was perpetarted much later in the history, Niether messenger of Allah nor any of his virteous companions practised or condoned the preaching what is now sufism. As declared in Quran "Allah is sought for all needs"

[salmany]

New Sunni, on Apr 13 2004, 07:57 PM, said:

Brother,
Sufism is a bidaah which was perpetarted much later in the history, Niether messenger of Allah nor any of his virteous companions practised or condoned the preaching what is now sufism. As declared in Quran "Allah is sought for all needs"

sAllam

Wrong

Sallam

[New Sunni]

salmany, on Apr 13 2004, 07:57 PM, said:

sAllam

Wrong

Sallam

Brother,

Prove me wrong with the example of the companions during the life time of the messenger of Allah and immediatly after him, in other words the first generation of companions.

[salmany]

New Sunni, on Apr 13 2004, 08:00 PM, said:

Brother,

Prove me wrong with the example of the companions during the life time of the messenger of Allah and immediatly after him, in other words the first generation of companions.

sAllam

*sigh*

As you say.

I need to know what exactly you want? The word Sufi? Or the actions?

[New Sunni]

salmany,

Why did you delete your post, give events from the life of messenger of Allah and his companions that they practised and preached what sufies doo, it is simple no two things about.

Edited by New Sunni, 13 April 2004 - 08:09 PM.

[salmany]

New Sunni, on Apr 13 2004, 08:09 PM, said:

salmany,

Why did you delete your post, give events from the life of messenger of Allah and his companions that they practised and preached what sufies doo, it is simple no two things about.

Sallam

I didnt delete post

Ok ill give you events

Sallam

[salmany]

sAllam

Sufi Practices done by The Ashab:

1. Dhikr (Alone and in groups)

From Abu Shaddad while Ubada ibn Samit was present and confirmed him: "We were in the house of the Prophet when he said: 'Is there any stranger among you?' He meant one of the People of the Book. We said, 'No, O Messenger of Allah.' He ordered for the door to be shut and said: 'Raise your hands and say La ilaha illAllah. We raised our hands and said La ilaha illAllah for a while. Then he lowered his hand and said: 'Glory and praise to Allah! O Allah, my Lord! Truly You have sent me with this phrase and commanded me to say it and promised me Paradise for it. Truly You do not break the tryst.' Then he said: 'Be glad, for Allah has forgiven you!'"

Al-Haythami in Majma al-Zawaid (1:18-19) said: Ahmad, al-Tabarani (in al-Kabir (7:290 #7163)) and Musnad al-Shamiyyin (2:158), and al-Bazzar narrated it and its narrators have been declared trustworthy.


---Muslim reports the Muawiyyah said: "The Prophet went out to a circle of his Companions and asked,'What makes you sit here?' They said, 'We are sitting here to remember Allah and to praise him because he guided us to the path of Islam and has conferred favours on us.' ...(The Prophet told them) 'Gabriel came to me and informed me that Allah, the Exalted and Glorious, was telling the angels that he is proud of you.'"

(Sahih Muslim)


2. Fasting

O ye who believe! Fasting is prescribed for you, as it was prescribed for those before you, so that you may guard against evil (2:184)

3. Tahajjud

Abu Hurayra (Allah be pleased with him) reports that the Messenger of Allah said, "The best prayer after the obligatory prayers is the night prayer." (Sahih Muslim)

Ibn Masud said, "The virtues of night prayer over day prayer is like the virtue of secret charity over open charity." (Tabarani)

4. Seeking knowledge

Hasten not the Quran before its inspiration is completed for thee but say:O Lord! increase my knowledge." (20:114)

5. Putting Akhira before Dunya/Puifying the Nafs and Qalb (heart):

The Quran, the Lord says that on the Day of Judgement, nothing will be of any use to us, except a sound heart (qalbun salim) in Sura 26:89.

6. Tasawwuf

Tasawwuf: Purification of the self from all that is other than the remembrance and obedience of Allah; the realization of ihsan (excellence); zuhd (asceticism) combined with marifa (knowledge of Allah); the attribute of the Sufi.

Ihsan -- mentioned in the Hadith of Gabriel narrated Tawattur in all the sahih Sittahs.

Zuhd -- Practiced by the Sahaba. ONe of the most famous being abu Dharr. Ibn Hajar says about him in al- saba fi tamyiz al sahaba:

The famous ascetic who spoke frankly... His full name was Jundub ibn Janada ibn Sakan; it was also said he was called Ibn Abdullah, or Barir, or Burayr, or Sakan ibn Janada...

Anything else?

Sallam

Edited by salmany, 13 April 2004 - 08:41 PM.

[salmany]

Toreador, on Apr 13 2004, 08:28 PM, said:

the chistis are probably the most popular sufi tariqa in india. Moinuddin Chisti and his various successors are unparalleled in the spread of islam in that part of the world. i myself was attracted towards islam by their hamd qawalis on Allah (swt) and the manqabats on ali .

however the third chain is the notorious naqshbandis, who to my knowledge are the only tariqa which DOESNT go through Ali . so let me ask you about them:

the Prophet (saws) to abu bakr to salman al farsi??? how is that possible since salman al farsi was one the few sahaba which opposed the election of abu bakr, and also salman al farsi was a renknowed suppoerter of ali? seems very fishy, wouldn't you say. if anything it should be either Prophet to Ali to Salman Al Farsi, or perhaps even Prophet to Salman.

wa salam

sAllam

To us sunnis Salman Al Farisi did not oppose Abu Bakr. Even if he may have at the beginning he was a governor for Umar and a Military leader.

sAllam

[Trekker]

Toreador, on Apr 14 2004, 01:28 AM, said:

however the third chain is the notorious naqshbandis

Bro Toreador, why do you call the Naqshbandis notorious?
I believe that in terms of numbers they are the largest of the Sufi tariqahs, and they are one of the most influential. I have never heard such an accusation of the Naqshbandis before- I had always thought that they were fairly well respected.

Edited by Trekker, 13 April 2004 - 08:54 PM.

[salmany]

sAllam

Dont know what to say and i dont really get what you want to prove.

Is it just Naqshbandis or all ?

Sallam

Edited by salmany, 13 April 2004 - 09:02 PM.

[NoorFatima]

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To us sunnis Salman Al Farisi did not oppose Abu Bakr. Even if he may have at the beginning he was a governor for Umar and a Military leader.

I don't know if I should laugh or weep over this strange and contradictory statement.

Military leader? Governor? What Army did Sayedna Salman lead?

[salmany]

NoorFatima, on Apr 13 2004, 09:17 PM, said:

I don't know if I should laugh or weep over this strange and contradictory statement.

Military leader? Governor? What Army did Sayedna Salman lead?

sAllam

Inshallah another post?

For Brother Toreador. Remember there are 2 types of Naqshbandis. Haqqani (who are very weird) and Mujadadi who are correct in their practices.

[NoorFatima]

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Inshallah another post?

Insha'Allah.

I just couldn't resist posting my astonishment at your comment; I find it quite interesting, especially when we use Historical records in verifying those interesting claims.

Another post is indeed needed later on.

[salmany]

Toreador, on Apr 13 2004, 09:31 PM, said:

brother, can you elaborate a bit further?

wasalam

sAllam

The Nqashbandi Haqqanis are a break away from the Mujadadis. The Haqqanis have very weird beliefs. Doing Sajda to their Imams, saying the Prophet is omnipresent. Most of the amazon boosk youll find by Hisham Kabbani or Shaikh Nazim are Haqqani.

As for me being Pseudo Salafi, i am far from it

Sallam

[Abu Abdallah]

Assalamu Alaikum,
I think we should give brother Salmany a break. 3 of his Shaykhs chains seem to go back directly to Imam Ali . And the other one goes through Imam Jafar .

Also, the Prophet (sal) and the Imams did interact with Sunnis, which would explain why certain chains go through Sunnis as well Shias (who were not the Imam). They may not have inherited the totality of Walayat but they probably knew something about Islamic esoterism.

wa salam,
Abu Abdallah

[Abdulhujjah]

New Sunni, on Apr 14 2004, 09:57 AM, said:

Brother,
Sufism is a bidaah which was perpetarted much later in the history,

Sufism existed before the Messenger of Allah pbuh, Mulla sadra says it began with the Magians in the 7th Century.

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Niether messenger of Allah nor any of his virteous companions practised or condoned the preaching what is now sufism.

Very correct, in fact they curse them.



Wassalaam