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#1 Zakkunaik

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 05:46 PM

This is the Prophets SAW last sermon, recorded in text and is well-known all over the world. For some reason I didnt know it. When me and my cousin were talking about which Imaam has the best voice in reciting the Quran (example Sudais, Shuraim and etc.) He brought up a page that had the prophet's SAW last sermon.

Here it is.

Prophet Muhammad's Last Sermon

This sermon was delivered on the Ninth day of Dhul al Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat.
After praising, and thanking God, he said:

"O People, listen well to my words, for I do not know whether, after this year, I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying to you very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Treat others justly so that no one would be unjust to you. Remember that you will indeed meet your LORD, and that HE will indeed reckon your deeds. God has forbidden you to take usury (riba), therefore all riba obligation shall henceforth be waived. Your capital , however, is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer inequity. God has judged that there shall be no riba and that all the riba due to `Abbas ibn `Abd al Muttalib shall henceforth be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-Islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that I waive is that arising from the murder of Rabi`ah ibn al Harith ibn `Abd al Muttalib.

O Men, the Unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calendar in order to make permissible that which God forbade, and to forbid that which God has made permissible. With God the months are twelve in number. Four of them are sacred, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Sha`ban. Beware of the devil, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope that he will ever be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights over your women, but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under God's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Treat your women well and be kind to them, for they are your partners and committed helpers. It is your right and they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste...

O People, listen to me in earnest, worship God (The One Creator of the Universe), perform your five daily prayers (Salah), fast during the month of Ramadan, and give your financial obligation (zakah) of your wealth. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over white except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not, therefore, do injustice to yourselves.

Remember, one day you will appear before God (The Creator) and you will answer for your deeds. So beware, do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or messenger will come after me and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand words which I convey to you. I am leaving you with the Book of God (the Quraan) and my Sunnah (the life style and the behavioral mode of the Prophet), if you follow them you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness O God, that I have conveyed your message to your people.



notice the part where he said I leave behind me two things, the Quran and my example, the Sunnah, and if you follow these you will never go astray. this is that same quote but slightly chained that every shia person quotes in this forum, every shia says this. and even logically i can prove that the shia version is incorrect.

The sunnis are very keen on sunnah and Quran, they follow (the pious ones) every aspect of it. Any sunni u meet, he'll say that he follows sunnah and quran and so on.

If the Prophet (SAW) said the shia version then that means he disgarded his companions who were with him all the time, and very loyal to him. I've heard shia people say, oh the companions became bad after his dead, well he said that the shia version of his sermon when he was living so both do no support each other.

The only reason the shias have this version is, the later shias to ridicule the companions had changed it so that it would not be parallel with the sunni, and be parallel to their beliefs(which Abdullah bin Saba had spread), therefore make them(Sunnis) seem as kafir because they do not follow ahlul-bayt.

Plus the people who were decieved by Abdullah bin Saba didnt know any of the Sunnah, unless if Hazrat Ali (ra) showed them they wouldnt know, since Hazrat Ali (ra) gave his sermon as stated in the post "It end's now.." no person who had these beliefs would dare to confront him for the sunnah or anyone who was loyal to him till his end.(may Allah be pleased with him) they'd be punished. So to further prove why the sunnah was discarded from the sermon is because they didnt have the sunnah (did not know it), so to make their beliefs parallel they had made up all these stories refering to the Waliyat that Hazrat Ali (ra) himself in the post "It ends now.." (which is approved by numerous shia historians) had said contradictory things and the stories of the ahlul-bayt.

Alhumdullillah the Prophet SAW never disregarded his companions, nor his ahlul-bayt, he basically said follow quran and sunnah. Prophet SAW never claimed that his family is more superior than anyone else. I have a friend who is hafiz (only 20 parahs) whos directly from the bloodline of the Prophet (SAW) (hes sunni) Do u think he is higher than us all? ofcourse not.

Futhermore, if he said Ahlul-Bayt, where is his ahlul-bayt now? can u walk on the street and say...whos from his ahlul-bayt and not? it was 1400 years ago...and surely they're here from his bloodline but where? can u say?

so we meet one person from his family, are we going to use their ways, and consult every single thing with them? they probably dont know as much because the imaan is much weaker now, people are slowly forgettings (been taking place for 1400 yearS).

But the Quran, can never be tampered with, both sunni shia agree.

and the sunnah, which the sunnis (not referred as sunnis and shias at that time) have protected this...for 1400, the ahlul-bayt may disappear, but the Quran and Sunnah will always be there. people like Imam Bukhari and tirmidi and Muslim who came and recorded all these hadiths , asking people, what did u hear about the prophet the person would say i heard such and such, and then Imam Bukhari would say...well where did u hear it from? he'd say..from my father, where did ur father hear it from....all the way till its traced to the Prophet SAW thats why it said the hadith are sahih.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 06:00 PM

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I have a friend who is hafiz (only 20 parahs) whos directly from the bloodline of the Prophet (SAW) (hes sunni) Do u think he is higher than us all? ofcourse not.

What doesn't penetrate that mind of yours? THE AHLUL-BAYT (as) CONSIST OF THE PROPHET (SAW) AND HIS PROGENY THROUGH IMAM ALI (as) AND HAZRATH FATIMA (as) (the 12 imams as ).

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Futhermore, if he said Ahlul-Bayt, where is his ahlul-bayt now? can u walk on the street and say...whos from his ahlul-bayt and not? it was 1400 years ago...and surely they're here from his bloodline but where? can u say?

*takes in a deep breath* One last time. Just once. When the prophet (saw) said his Ahlul-Bayt (as), he was referring to the teachings of the 12 imams (as). TEACHINGS. Their (as) traditions. GET IT? :angry:

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so we meet one person from his family, are we going to use their ways, and consult every single thing with them? they probably dont know as much because the imaan is much weaker now, people are slowly forgettings (been taking place for 1400 yearS).

I am getting mad now.

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But the Quran, can never be tampered with, both sunni shia agree.

and the sunnah, which the sunnis (not referred as sunnis and shias at that time) have protected this...for 1400, the ahlul-bayt may disappear, but the Quran and Sunnah will always be there. people like Imam Bukhari and tirmidi and Muslim who came and recorded all these hadiths , asking people, what did u hear about the prophet the person would say i heard such and such, and then Imam Bukhari would say...well where did u hear it from? he'd say..from my father, where did ur father hear it from....all the way till its traced to the Prophet SAW thats why it said the hadith are sahih.

Bukhari loves to copy the words of Imam Ja'afar as sadiq (as), doesn't he? You said you have the Quran and Sunnah. So do we. We have the Quran, and we have the Sunnah which has been passed down generation to generation from the prophet to his holy progeny (as). That is the real sunnah. Who would know more about the sunnah? Bukhari, tirmidhi and the likes..or the family of the prophet?

Please do not ask the same questions over and over again.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 06:22 PM

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*takes in a deep breath* One last time. Just once. When the prophet (saw) said his Ahlul-Bayt , he was referring to the teachings of the 12 imams . TEACHINGS. Their  traditions. GET IT?

are u implying that the Prophet (SaW) distinguished that the Sabahas teachings (which were the prophet's SAW) and the Ahlul-bayts teachings (which also claim to be the prophet's SAws) are different? and that the Ahlul-bayt is the right way, not the sahabas. im just clarifying ur claims.

i dont get it, one shia brother said to me...it was a game of broken telephone where....the family passes it down by telling (the sunnah) each other (the father tells the son, son to his son). and ur saying now u have authentic hadith. :S

where is the ahlul-bayt now. I have a friend who is directly from the blood line of hte Prophet sAW so hes from ahlul-bayt should i consult him with every thing? should i call him Imam Syed Sahl?, will u go under him and take him as a khalifa of the Ummah?or is it only the 12 imams we should consult which are not there anymore.

So he could not have said ahlul-bayt.

in the sermon, the shia brother pasted from USC, it clearly said ahlul-bayt and not teachings of ahlul-bayt (which are actually the sunnah).

but even if he did say teachings. then surely he should have included the sahaba who were with him the whole time. Abu bakr (ra) was his best friend and his closest friend even BEFORE islam. Sahaba knew the sunnah, Ahlul-bayt (the ones that were present at the time) knew it too. Imam Bukhari had written it all down (i think he came 150 years after, not sure , please correct me).

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 06:41 PM

Read after the sermon, pay attention to the bolded parts.

Last Sermon of Holy Prophet Muhammad (saww)
Courtesy of USC Muslim Association

[This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul-Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' in Mecca.]

After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet (saww) said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.

O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words, which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Ahle bait and if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

Courtesy of the shia brother Ansar-e-HezbAllah providing this.

But i didnt know the shias could get so desperate. (I will remove this if you can prove me wrong).

Here is the REAL sermon from the USC site.


In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful
Prophet Muhammad's (saws) Last Sermon

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[This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul-Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' in Mecca.]
After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet (saws) said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.

O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, [b]the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.


All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

Here is the link to the site.

http://www.usc.edu/dept/MSA/fundamentals/p...lastsermon.html

Edited by Zakkunaik, 12 January 2004 - 06:42 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2004 - 06:44 PM

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Read after the sermon, pay attention to the bolded parts.

Last Sermon of Holy Prophet Muhammad (saww)
Courtesy of USC Muslim Association

[This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul-Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' in Mecca.]

After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet (saww) said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.

O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belongs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words, which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Ahle bait and if you follow these you will never go astray.
All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

[B]Courtesy of the shia brother Ansar-e-HezbAllah providing this.

But i didnt know the shias could get so desperate. (I will remove this if you can prove me wrong).

Here is the REAL sermon from the USC site.

In the Name of Allah, the Most Compassionate, the Most Merciful
Prophet Muhammad's (saws) Last Sermon

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[This sermon was delivered on the Ninth Day of Dhul-Hijjah 10 A.H. in the 'Uranah valley of Mount Arafat' in Mecca.]
After praising and thanking Allah the Prophet (saws) said:

"O People, lend me an attentive ear, for I know not whether after this year I shall ever be amongst you again. Therefore listen to what I am saying very carefully and take these words to those who could not be present here today.

O People, just as you regard this month, this day, this city as Sacred, so regard the life and property of every Muslim as a sacred trust. Return the goods entrusted to you to their rightful owners. Hurt no one so that no one may hurt you. Remember that you will indeed meet your Lord, and that he will indeed reckon your deeds. Allah has forbidden you to take usury (interest), therefore all interest obligations shall henceforth be waived. Your capital is yours to keep. You will neither inflict nor suffer any inequity. Allah has judged that there shall be no interest and that all the interest due to Abbas ibn 'Abd'al Muttalib [the Prophet's uncle] be waived.

Every right arising out of homicide in pre-islamic days is henceforth waived and the first such right that i waive is that arising from the murder of Rabiah ibn al Harithibn.

O People, the unbelievers indulge in tampering with the calender in order to make permissible that which Allah forbade, and to forbid that which Allah has made permissible. With Allah the months are twelve in number. Four of them are holy, three of these are successive and one occurs singly between the months of Jumada and Shaban.

Beware of Satan, for the safety of your religion. He has lost all hope of that he will be able to lead you astray in big things, so beware of following him in small things.

O People, it is true that you have certain rights with regard to your women but they also have rights over you. Remember that you have taken them as your wives only under Allah's trust and with His permission. If they abide by your right, then to them belongs the right to be fed and clothed in kindness. Do treat your women well and be kind to them for they are your partners and committed helpers. And it is your right that they do not make friends with anyone of whom you do not approve, as well as never to be unchaste. O People, listen to me in earnest, worship Allah, say your five daily prayers, fast during the month of Ramadhan, and give your wealth in Zakat. Perform Hajj if you can afford to.

All mankind is from Adam and Eve, an Arab has no superiority over a non-Arab nor a non-Arab has any superiority over an Arab; also a white has no superiority over a black nor a black has any superiority over a white - except by piety and good action. Learn that every Muslim is a brother to every Muslim and that the Muslims constitute one brotherhood. Nothing shall be legitimate to a Muslim which belogs to a fellow Muslim unless it was given freely and willingly. Do not therefore do injustice to yourselves. Remember one day you will meet Allah and answer your deeds. So beware: do not stray from the path of righteousness after I am gone.

O People, no prophet or apostle will come after me, and no new faith will be born. Reason well, therefore, O People, and understand my words which I convey to you. I leave behind me two things, the Qur'an and my Sunnah and if you follow these you will never go astray.

All those who listen to me shall pass on my words to others and those to others again; and may the last ones understand my words better than those who listen to me directly. Be my witness, O Allah, that I have conveyed Your message to Your people."

Here is the link to the site.

http://www.usc.edu/d...lastsermon.html

What a lovely Sunni website you have quoted from. The Sunni version may be the Quran and my Sunnah, but for us Shias it's the Quran and the Ahlul-Bayt (as), which are the walking talking Sunnah of the prophet.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 06:49 PM

yea well the shia brother also quoted from the same site claiming a different view.
Funny is it, if he never said the site he was quoting from, i wouldnt have known unless of the uncany interpretation word for word.

and i dont think u read the bolded parts.

read only the bolded parts.

Edited by Zakkunaik, 12 January 2004 - 06:50 PM.


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Posted 12 January 2004 - 07:00 PM

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yea well the shia brother also quoted from the same site claiming a different view.

I don't care about the view of that Shia brother. I can care less about the sermons/hadith written in your "Sahih Sitta".

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and i dont think u read the bolded parts.

read only the bolded parts.

I have read the bold* parts.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 08:04 PM

(salam)

Brother, please do not open multiple threads on the same subject. There is no point to it since moderators will merge the threads.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 08:08 PM

Brother im just making it more organized. im sure you're more knowledgeable and less handicapped but... when took much is posted it becomes stressful for me to read. So i have to open new threads to make the respones once again short.

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Posted 12 January 2004 - 11:14 PM

I believe Imam Hanbal was the Only Sunni Brave enough to put the word "Ahlul Bayt in this Sermon in his musnad.

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Posted 13 January 2004 - 02:46 AM

Bismillah hir Rahman nir Rahim

As salamu alaikum wa rahmatullahi wa barakatu

Very interesting topic, to say the least. :)

Well, now, let's get a response from a woman's viewpoint! ;)

We all know where this corrupted hadith is coming from...or at least many of us do!

Dear Brother, the two weighty matters that were left behind were/are !) The Holy Qu'ran and 2) The Ahlul Bait a.s. Now I know that you know this already...you have encountered this info. already!

Alhamdulillah, you are not as extreme in your viewpoints as some are...
Though I am not so sure about your sincerity of interest in discussing...
I might be wrong :unsure:

Anyways...that's it for now

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Posted 13 January 2004 - 06:59 PM

In any case, Zakkuniaik, let's not be too hasty in overlooking these ahadith in Sahih Muslim:

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Book 031, Number 5920:
Yazid b. Hayyan reported, I went along with Husain b. Sabra and
'Umar b. Muslim to Zaid b. Arqam and, as we sat by his side, Husain
said to him: Zaid. you have been able to acquire a great virtue that you
saw Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) listened to his talk,
fought by his side in (different) battles, offered prayer behind me. Zaid,
you have in fact earned a great virtue. Zaid, narrate to us what you
heard from Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him). He said: I
have grown old and have almost spent my age and I have forgotten
some of the things which I remembered in connection with Allah's
Messenger (may peace be upon him), so accept whatever I narrate to
you, and which I do not narrate do not compel me to do that. He then
said: One day Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) stood up to
deliver sermon at a watering place known as Khumm situated between
Mecca and Medina. He praised Allah, extolled Him and delivered the
sermon and. exhorted (us) and said: Now to our purpose. O people, I
am a human being. I am about to receive a messenger (the angel of
death) from my Lord and I, in response to Allah's call, (would bid
good-bye to you), but I am leaving among you two weighty things: the
one being the Book of Allah in which there is right guidance and light,
so hold fast to the Book of Allah and adhere to it. He exhorted (us) (to
hold fast) to the Book of Allah and then said: The second are the
members of my household I remind you (of your duties) to the
members of my family
. He (Husain) said to Zaid: Who are the
members of his household? Aren't his wives the members of his
family? Thereupon he said: His wives are the members of his family
(but here) the members of his family are those for whom acceptance of
Zakat is forbidden. And he said: Who are they? Thereupon he said: 'Ali
and the offspring of 'Ali, 'Aqil and the offspring of 'Aqil and the
offspring of Ja'far and the offspring of 'Abbas. Husain said: These are
those for whom the acceptance of Zakat is forbidden. Zaid said: Yes.
now look at this hadith:

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Book 031, Number 5923:
Yazid b. Hayyan reported: We went to him (Zaid b. Arqam) and said
to him. You have found goodness (for you had the honour) to live in
the company of Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) and
offered prayer behind him, and the rest of the hadith is the same but
with this variation of wording that lie said: Behold, for I am leaving
amongst you two weighty things, one of which is the Book of Allah,
the Exalted and Glorious, and that is the rope of Allah. He who holds it
fast would be on right guidance and he who abandons it would be in
error, and in this (hadith) these words are also found: We said: Who
are amongst the members of the household?
Aren't the wives (of the
Holy Prophet) included amongst the members of his house hold?
Thereupon he said: No, by Allah, a woman lives with a man (as his
wife) for a certain period; he then divorces her and she goes back to
her parents and to her people; the members of his household include
his ownself and his kith and kin (who are related to him by blood) and
for him the acceptance of Zakat is prohibited.

Its kinda interesting to note that the phrase 'members of my household' has been cleverly avoided (see bold part) in the second hadith. Everything before and after it is present though. I wonder why... :angel:

And br. Zakkunaik, what would your interpretation of 'our duty to the ahl al-bayt' be? Just curious..
And your interprettion of 'being in error'? -_-

Edited by tahasyed, 13 January 2004 - 07:03 PM.


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Posted 14 January 2004 - 07:08 AM

The hadith isnt finished...why cite only part of it... Then it is asked who are those whom zakat is forbidden and the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa salam gives names of groups of people not just the imams of the shia rafidah.

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Posted 14 January 2004 - 09:29 AM

isaismuslim, on Jan 14 2004, 07:08 AM, said:

The hadith isnt finished...why cite only part of it...  Then it is asked who are those whom zakat is forbidden and the prophet sallallahu alayhi wa salam gives names of groups of people not just the imams of the shia rafidah.
the hadith ends there in Sahih Muslim. Posted Image

Edited by tahasyed, 14 January 2004 - 09:30 AM.


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Posted 14 January 2004 - 10:44 AM

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are u implying that the Prophet (SaW) distinguished that the Sabahas teachings (which were the prophet's SAW) and the Ahlul-bayts teachings (which also claim to be the prophet's SAws) are different? and that the Ahlul-bayt is the right way, not the sahabas. im just clarifying ur claims.

I have a question for you, Zakkunaik. When you pray do you say "Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa 'ali Muhammad" or do you say "Allahuma Salli 'ala Muhammad wa sahabit Muhammad". Ahlul-Bayt (as) is the most important after the Rasul pbuh.

Edited by Mohamad_Hussein, 14 January 2004 - 10:45 AM.





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