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[PurifiedTruth]

The majority of the Sunnis argue that the verse of purification(33:33) was reveled for the wives of the prophet. In this thread, I challenge the Sunnis to bring me one logical argument and valid evidence either from the Quran , or from sources accepted by both group in defense of their argument while I give a counter argument by trying to refute them from the Quran and their authentic Hadiths in proving that the wives are not from the purified Ahlulbayt and that this noble verse mentions,but instead revealed on behalf of Ali(as), Fatima(as), Hassan(as), and Hussien(as) to the prophet(pbuh).

Let's start of with the Quran and examine the context of the verse of the purification(33:33).

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وَقَرۡنَ فِى بُيُوتِكُنَّ وَلَا تَبَرَّجۡنَ تَبَرُّجَ ٱلۡجَـٰهِلِيَّةِ ٱلۡأُولَىٰۖ وَأَقِمۡنَ ٱلصَّلَوٰةَ وَءَاتِينَ ٱلزَّڪَوٰةَ وَأَطِعۡنَ ٱللَّهَ وَرَسُولَهُۚ ۥۤ إِنَّمَا يُرِيدُ ٱللَّهُ لِيُذۡهِبَ عَنڪُمُ ٱلرِّجۡسَ أَهۡلَ ٱلۡبَيۡتِ وَيُطَهِّرَكُمۡ تَطۡهِيرً۬ا (٣٣)

And stay quietly in your houses, and make not a dazzling display, like that of the former Times of Ignorance; and establish regular Prayer, and give regular Charity; and obey Allah and His Messenger. And Allah only wishes to remove all abomination from you, ye Members of the Family, and to make you pure and spotless. (33:33)

The Sunnis argue that this aya was revealed for the prophet's wives, because, since Allah(swt) declared them to be unique, in a sense that, since they are wives of the best human to ever exist, being the prophet and declaring them as mothers of believers  then this aya must be reveled for them to exalt their rank.(see previous ayas from the same surah for details on their argument)

There are many problems with this argument, because not only does it contradict the Quran but also the Hadiths narrated by the Sunnis themselves which clearly show that this aya was revealed on behalf of Ali(as), Fatima(as), Hassan(as) and Hussen(as) to the prophet(pbuh) only.

If this verse of purification was revealed upon the wives of the prophet, then Aisha would not be a hated figure among the Shia for waging war against Imam Ali(as). In other words, the battle between Imam Ali(as) and Aisha, was one of the biggest fitnas that occurred among the Muslims because it was the first battle where Muslims fought each other, and all because of the actions of Aisha. If Aisha was indeed, pure and spotless as the aya mentioned above, then she would have been more wise and known better than to wage war against the Khalifa of her time, because clearly, anyone purified by Allah(swt) does not commit any major mistakes, and in the case of Aisha, she has created one of the biggest fitnas in the Muslim Ummah that lead to the death of thousands of innocent Muslims and also for not recognizing the Khalifate of Imam Ali(as).


Nevertheless, here are authentic hadiths from their books with clear meanings that portray that this verse of purification was revealed only on behalf of Ali(as), Hassan(as), Hussien(as),Fatima(as) and not on behalf of the prophet's wives. In other words, the only Ahlulbayt mentioned in this aya that Allah(swt) has commanded to be purified, are Ali(as), Hassan(as), Hussien(as), Fatima(as) and not the wives of the prophet.

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- (حدثنا) أبو بكر بن أبي شيبة ومحمد بن عبد الله بن نمير (واللفظ لأبي بكر) قالا حدثنا محمد بن بشر عن زكرياء عن مصعب بن شيبة عن صفية بنت شبية قالت قالت عائشة: خرج النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم غداة وعليه مرط مرحل من شعر اسود فجاء الحسن بن علي فادخله ثم جاء الحسين فدخل معه ثم جاءت فاطمة فأدخلها ثم جاء على فادخله ثم قال إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا [صحيح مسلم (261 هـ) الجزء7 صفحة130

'A'isha reported that Rasoolallah went out one morning wearing a striped cloak of the black camel's hair that there came Hasan b. 'Ali. He wrapped him under it, then came Husain and he wrapped him under it along with the other one (Hasan). Then came Fatima and he took her under it, then came 'Ali and he also took him under it and then said: Allah only desires to take away any uncleanliness from you, O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying)
[Sahih Muslim, Book 31 Number 5955]

In the context of this hadith, the prophet(pbuh) declared  that the verse of purification was brought down upon his Ahlulbayt that were specified in this verse. Moreover, since the prophet only considered Ali(as), Fatima(as), Hassan(as) and Hussien(as), to be under the cloak in order to be purified by the command of Allah(swt) by saying "O people of the household, and purify you (thorough purifying",, then clearly this indicates that this verse of purification was brought down upon them only and not to every single household of the prophet such as the wives. With that being said, it can be logically concluded that since only Ali(as), Fatima(as), Hassan(as) and Hussien(as) were chosen by Allah(swt) to be purified  then they have earned a unique and higher ranking than the rest of the believers and other members of the prophet's household by the will of Allah(swt), making them, more virtuous and higher ranking than the prophet's wives.

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حدثنا قتيبة أخبرنا محمد بن سليمان بن الأصبهاني عن يحيى بن عبيد عن عطاء بن أبي رباح عن عمر بن أبي سلمة ربيب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال لما نزلت هذه الآية على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم ( إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويظهركم تطهيرا ) في بيت أم سلمة فدعا فاطمة وحسنا وحسينا فجللهم بكساء وعلى خلف ظهره فجلله بكساء ثم قال : اللهم هؤلاء أهل بيتي فأذهب عنهم الرجس وطهرهم تطهيرا . قالت أم سلمة : وأنا معهم يا نبي الله قال أنت على مكانك وأنت على خير " هذا حديث غريب من هذا الوجه من حديث عطاء عن عمر بن أبي سلمة . [سنن الترمذي (279 هـ) الجزء5 صفحة30]

حدثنا قتيبة بن سعيد أخبرنا محمد بن سليمان بن الأصبهاني عن يحيى بن عبيد عن عطاء عن عمر بن أبي سلمة ربيب النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم قال نزلت هذه الآية على النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم (إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت ويطهركم تطهيرا) في بيت أم سلمة فدعا النبي صلى الله عليه وسلم فاطمة وحسنا وحسينا فجللهم بكساء وعلى خلف ظهره فجلله بكساء ثم قال : اللهم هؤلاء أهل بيتي فأذهب عنهم الرجس وطهرهم تطهيرا . قالت أم سلمة وأنا معهم يا رسول الله ؟ قال أنت على مكانك وأنت إلى خير " . وفي الباب عن أم سلمة ومعقل بن يسار وأبى الحمراء وأنس بن مالك . هذا حديث غريب من هذا الوجه . [سنن الترمذي (279 هـ) الجزء5 صفحة328

When the verse "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH&HF) in the house of Umm Salama. Upon that, the Prophet gathered Fatimah, al-Hasan, and al-Husain, and covered them with a cloak, and he also covered Ali who was behind him. Then the Prophet said: "O' Allah! These are the Members of my House (Ahlul-Bayt). Keep them away from every impurity and purify them with a perfect purification." Umm Salama (the wife of Prophet) asked: "Am I also included among them O Apostle of Allah?" the Prophet replied: "You remain in your position and you are toward a good ending."
[Sunan al-Tirmidhi, v5, pp 351,663]

(the second hadith is also from the same volume in Sunan Al-Tarimithi with a very slightly different  context as the first one but both give the same meaning)
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(حدثنا) أبو بكر أحمد بن سلمان الفقيه وأبو العباس محمد بن يعقوب ( قالا ) ثنا الحسن بن مكرم البزار ثنا عثمان بن عمر ثنا عبد الرحمن بن عبد الله بن دينار عن شريك بن أبي نمر عن عطاء بن يسار عن أم سلمة قالت في بيتي نزلت إنما يريد الله ليذهب عنكم الرجس أهل البيت قالت فأرسل رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله إلى علي وفاطمة والحسن والحسين فقال هؤلاء أهل بيتي
هذا حديث صحيح على شرط البخاري ولم يخرجاه * [المستدرك للحاكم النيسابوري (405 هـ) الجزء3 صفحة146

When the verse: "Verily Allah intends to ... (33:33)" was revealed to the Prophet (PBUH&HF)" was revealed the prophet  called upon Ali, Fatima, Hassan, Hussien and said: "These are my Ahlulbayt".
[Al-Mustadrak Lel Hakim Al-Nesaboori - Volume 3-Page 146- Hadith number 405 -Arabic version]This Hadith is considered Sahih by Muhamed Al-Bukhari
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If anyone has anything else to add, then please do so.

Duaas

Edited by PurifiedTruth, Yesterday, 07:50 PM.

[peace seeker]

thank you, very well written mashaAllah

and may Allah (swt) reward you in sha Allah

[PurifiedTruth]

peace seeker, on 24 May 2013 - 07:46 PM, said:

thank you, very well written mashaAllah

and may Allah (swt) reward you in sha Allah

Jakallah akhi. Do add anything else if you have. The more contributions the better the details, inshallah

[akramabbas]

nice research. one thing to be noted when Allah says anything about wives of Prophet . Allah directly says, "O wives of Prophet" like in 33:32. but 33:33 is different.

and one question, why wife (Sara) of Abrahim is called Ahl al-Bayt in 11:73? please do comment and elaborate.

[GodBlessAli]

akramabbas, on 24 May 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

nice research. one thing to be noted when Allah says anything about wives of Prophet . Allah directly says, "O wives of Prophet" like in 33:32. but 33:33 is different.

and one question, why wife (Sara) of Abrahim is called Ahl al-Bayt in 11:73? please do comment and elaborate.

You read my mind.

1) Why would Allah (s) be talking about the Prophet's wives in the verse just before Ayat Tatheer but not in Ayat Tatheer?
2) 11:73 Qur'an says the wife of Prophet Ibrahim (a) is part of Aal al-Bayt?

[Yabnul_Taha]

Sunni argument: Read the ayat before that (33:32) to see whom it was referring to.

Refute it. Go!

Edited by Yabnul_Taha, Today, 02:27 AM.

[Ali Musaaa :)]

Yabnul_Taha, on 25 May 2013 - 02:26 AM, said:

Sunni argument: Read the ayat before that (33:32) to see whom it was referring to.

Refute it. Go!

^... You sound like you just entered a Pokèmon duel

[PurifiedTruth]

GodBlessAli, on 25 May 2013 - 01:46 AM, said:

You read my mind.

1) Why would Allah (s) be talking about the Prophet's wives in the verse just before Ayat Tatheer but not in Ayat Tatheer?
2) 11:73 Qur'an says the wife of Prophet Ibrahim (a) is part of Aal al-Bayt?

akramabbas, on 24 May 2013 - 08:31 PM, said:

nice research. one thing to be noted when Allah says anything about wives of Prophet . Allah directly says, "O wives of Prophet" like in 33:32. but 33:33 is different.

and one question, why wife (Sara) of Abrahim is called Ahl al-Bayt in 11:73? please do comment and elaborate.

You are correct. The previous Ayas before Aya 33, which is the verse of purification in surat Al-Ahzab,  talk about the wives of the prophet while aya 33 does not. The reason for that is , because the Ayas generically in the Quran are not in chronological order. In other words, each Surah has Ayas that do not necessarily connect in meaning with the Aya that comes after it, mainly because, they were revealed at different times and events. In the case of Aya 33 of purification, and the Ayas that talk about the prophet's wives, these Ayas were revealed at different times, and for different events, so it would logically make sense that they do not connect in meaning with each other, in a sense that the wives were not meant to be purified from that verse. Moreover, the verse of purification, occurred during the mid lifetime of the prophet at the event of the cloak, when Jibrail was sent to the prophet with this aya sending a command from Allah(swt) to purify his Ahlulbayt, and as we stated earlier, those were Ali, Hassan, Hussien and Fatima peace be upon them all. This event was before the event that the Ayas mentioning the prophet's wives occurred. The event that lead to the Ayas being sent down mentioning the wives occurred just before the prophet(pbuh) was martyred, where the event portrays that Allah(swt) has commanded the wives of the prophet to remain in their homes after his death so he brought these Ayas down in order to enable the prophet to inform them that they must not leave their homes after his departure. With that being said, after examining that these two ayas were revealed at different times and for different events, it would logically make sense that they do not necessarily connect in meaning, in a sense that the verse of purification would be talking about the wives of the prophet.


In regards to your second question, my knowledge on that Aya is not very strong, but I will try my best to explain what I so far have known on it. Basically, when it mentions the Ahlulbayt of Ibrahim(as), it's talking about the members his family that is related to him. Ill give an example to get the bigger picture, and that is; even though that the Wives of prophet Muhamed(pbuh) are not the chosen Ahlulbayt(as) by Allah(swt) for purification as aya 33 states, they are however, still considered within the prophets family or people of his house, except, that they have a lower virtuous status than Ali(as), Fatima(as), Hassan(as) and Hussien(as), because those 4 were uniquely chosen by Allah(swt) only from the rest of the prophet's family to be purified as aya 33 states. The same thing applies to Ibrahim(as) and his wife. His wife is technically from his household, but does she have the same status as Fatima(as) does, in a sense that a verse was brought down upon her in order to purify her like what was given to Fatima(as), Ali(as) and their 2 sons? The answer to that is no, which means that, even though she is within the household(Ahlulbayt) of Ibrahim(as), she is not chosen by Allah(swt) to have a higher status than she should, but rather, shares a status no different than the rest of the wives of prophet Muhamed(pbuh) share. I hope that made sense and helped get a bigger picture.

I hope these answered your questions. Inshallah, more knowledgeable brothers and sisters can also give in their input in order to help create a bigger picture.

And Allah(swt) best

Duas

[Aabiss_Shakari]

The wives of the prophet (sawaw) can never be included in verse of purification for many reasons. But one strong reason of this is that Quran warned them many times especially Aysha and Hafsa about their ill deeds.

4. If you two turn in repentance to Allah, it will be better for you, since your hearts have turned away from the truth, but if you conspire against him, you may not achieve anything. Then, verily Allah is his Protector and Gabriel and the righteous believers, and furthermore, the angels are his helpers. [Surah Tehreem Ayat 4]

5. It may be that if he divorced you, his Lord will give him instead of you, wives better than you, Muslims, believers, humble, repentant, worshipping Allah sincerely, inclined toward emigration, previously married and virgin. [SURAH Tehreem Ayat 5]

Now how the wives of the Prophet can be purified?

[Ali Musaaa :)]

^... Interesting how Allah said He could give the Prophet (sawa) better wives who were 'Muslim'.