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[Ali-F]

Aslamu alaykum


I am a bit confused about these two things.

I know, that tawsuel is Allahuma bi Haqi Ahlulbayt as e.g..

And Ya Ali Madad is istrfigafah, or something like that..


What is the proves for saying "Ya Ali Madad" ?


Thanks.

[AhlulBayt_313]

http://www.shiachat....50#entry2563179

[Ali-F]

In all due to respect, what is the proves?

[skamran110]

@.....

فَإِنَّ اللَّهَ هُوَ مَوْلَاهُ وَجِبْرِيلُ وَصَالِحُ الْمُؤْمِنِينَ.......

then surely Allah it is Who is his Guardian, and Jibreel and -the believers that do good, and the angels after that are the aiders. (Quran 66;4)

If the belieevrs are aiders / helpers of the prophet Muhammad pbuh & hf, then the Ameer ul momineen (Chief of believers) can certanly help us, This help has been proven from the history of Islam at various occassions including Badar, Khandaq (Al Ahzab), khaiber, uhud  and others, where the prophet called Imam Ali for his help..

This help has also been proved at the occassions of Mubahila against the bani najran when the prophet took his Ahl al bayat a.s. as his aiders to announce the religion islam as true against the christicians.

Then calling Ya Ali madad is the sunna of the prophet saww.

Edited by skamran110, Today, 11:30 AM.

[Ali-F]

Brother, that isn't a proof. The Prophet called for "help" in dunya. How can a person say "Ya Ali Madad" when they can say "Allahuma bi Haqi Ali" instead?  That is in quran.

Please clerify.

Edited by Ali-F, Today, 11:36 AM.

[PureEthics]

Ali-F, on 18 May 2013 - 11:35 AM, said:

Brother, that isn't a proof. The Prophet called for "help" in dunya. How can a person say "Ya Ali Madad" when they can say "Allahuma bi Haqi Ali" instead?  That is in quran.

Please clerify.

dude, you have made at least 5 of these threads in the past. There are also many threads on this, go check them out and come to your own conclusion. Using tawassul isnt a requirement, its your choice.

[Ali-F]

PureEthics, on 18 May 2013 - 11:38 AM, said:

dude, you have made at least 5 of these threads in the past. There are also many threads on this, go check them out and come to your own conclusion. Using tawassul isnt a requirement, its your choice.

I am not asking about tawasueel, but Ya Ali Madad.

[PureEthics]

Ali-F, on 18 May 2013 - 11:45 AM, said:

I am not asking about tawasueel, but Ya Ali Madad.

It pretty much tawassul dude.

[Ali-F]

PureEthics, on 18 May 2013 - 11:53 AM, said:

It pretty much tawassul dude.

Sure? Ya Ali Madad is called istrafaat or something like that?

[PureEthics]

Ali-F, on 18 May 2013 - 12:25 PM, said:

Sure? Ya Ali Madad is called istrafaat or something like that?

Its the same concept. No matter what you call it, when you call on a divinely chosen being directly or indirectly, it is still by the will of Allah, if Allah wills. They are never independent. Thus its tawassul.