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[CLynn]

Jahangiram, on 04 March 2013 - 03:07 PM, said:

You need to study classical islamic law. Protected non-muslim minorities in an Islamic state are called 'dhimmis' coming from the root word 'dhimma' (i.e. protection) since their blood and property are protected. This is something agreed upon by all schools of thought, even the saudi-based wahhabi website islam-qa says this: http://www.islamqa.c...683/kill dhimmi  http://www.islamqa.c...777/kill dhimmi

Greetings Jahangiram,
Yes I am familiar with dhimmi's, the concept of dhimmis, and dhimmi status.
Thanks and salaam.

[Jahangiram]

CLynn, on 04 March 2013 - 03:45 PM, said:

Greetings Jahangiram,
Yes I am familiar with dhimmi's, the concept of dhimmis, and dhimmi status.
Thanks and salaam.

Hmm, would your concept of dhimmi status be derived from the politically incorrect guide to islam by robert spencer? Those dhimmi regulations were based on a forged document known as the 'pact of omar', that appeared around 300 years later after Omar's death. Western scholars and muslims have declared it a forgery; more on this here:--> http://www.loonwatch...han-dhimmitude/

[CLynn]

Jahangiram, on 04 March 2013 - 04:00 PM, said:

Hmm, would your concept of dhimmi status be derived from the politically incorrect guide to islam by robert spencer? Those dhimmi regulations were based on a forged document known as the 'pact of omar', that appeared around 300 years later after Omar's death. Western scholars and muslims have declared it a forgery; more on this here:--> http://www.loonwatch...han-dhimmitude/

No, I promise you, I searched many sources to understand.  Also, a muslim friend on another forum helped.

[Jahangiram]

CLynn, on 04 March 2013 - 04:42 PM, said:

No, I promise you, I searched many sources to understand.  Also, a muslim friend on another forum helped.

Alright thats fine, but you never know that article may provide you with new info you've never known before.

[CLynn]

loonwatch is a source I try to stay away from.  Are you referring to the other two links... the ones that say killdhimmi?  That doesn't sound too promising either.

[Jahangiram]

CLynn, on 04 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

loonwatch is a source I try to stay away from.

Why?  Aren't you against bigots? The article is based on the research of neutral professors like Mark Cohen.

CLynn, on 04 March 2013 - 05:13 PM, said:

Are you referring to the other two links... the ones that say killdhimmi?  That doesn't sound too promising either.

HAHAH nooo thats a saudi fatwa website that talks about the rights of dhimmis, i wrote "kill dhimmi" in the search engine to get a quick access to the response

[Mohamed Ameziane]

Assalamo Aleykom

1) those people on the video are filled with hatred towards the regime to a height that it becomes a fascist thing. I am 100% opposed to that kind of chanting or thinking. But do not act stupid and say Sunni islaam is violent or this and that. Because that kind of talk (but then directed to shia) we hear from zionist channels like al jazeera and ofcourse western propaganda. We need to unite, I consider shia muslim as my brothers no matter what.

2) The Syrian regime oppressed the sunni people for 40 years, so I am definitely against the REGIME.

3) The filthy zionist NATO imperialists want to take advantage (of course they have organised the "revolution" for a big part) of that. See

So the sunni muslims are again falling in the trap, and the anti zionist camp should reach the opposition in order the prevent to make of syria a nato country like they did in lybie.

[CLynn]

Mohamed Ameziane, on 07 March 2013 - 04:22 PM, said:

Assalamo Aleykom

1) those people on the video are filled with hatred ...
I consider shia muslim as my brothers no matter what.

Don't you think it would be better if you considered all human beings as brothers?
Salaam.

[Hoscyan]

CLynn, on 07 March 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Don't you think it would be better if you considered all human beings as brothers?
Salaam.

There is different grades/orders of brotherhood, and certainly a brotherhood in humanity also, but above this is brotherhood in faith, which is the strongest binding force among humans, even above blood.

[CLynn]

Hoscyan, on 08 March 2013 - 01:59 AM, said:

There is different grades/orders of brotherhood, and certainly a brotherhood in humanity also, but above this is brotherhood in faith, which is the strongest binding force among humans, even above blood.

Two questions;
I have faith, will you consider me a brother?
and,
You think some people deserve to be treated differently than others, that we are not all equal as human beings and creations of God?

[sallu13]

CLynn, on 08 March 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

Two questions;
I have faith, will you consider me a brother?
and,
You think some people deserve to be treated differently than others, that we are not all equal as human beings and creations of God?

Listen Man quran simply tells that many proofs and evidences are given to jews and christian related to pophet mohammad :

O people of the Scripture! (Jews and Christians): "Why do you disbelieve in the Ayat of Allah, [the Verses about Prophet Muhammad SAW present in the Taurat (Torah) and the Injeel (Gospel)] while you (yourselves) bear witness (to their truth)."

so i dont get hurt about others who dont have no knowledge about islam but as far u are concerned i think u had spend enough time here so u to are hiding from the truth. man try to understand jesus was a human and humans has an end but almighty doesnt. so keep ur belief aside and think open mindly

2) And fight in the Way of Allah those who fight you, but transgress not the limits. Truly, Allah likes not the transgressors. [This Verse is the first one that was revealed in connection with Jihad, but it was supplemented by another (V.9:36)].

And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah is worse than killing. And fight not with them at Al-Masjid-al-Haram (the sanctuary at Makkah), unless they (first) fight you there. But if they attack you, then kill them. Such is the recompense of the disbelievers.

And fight them until there is no more Fitnah (disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah) and (all and every kind of) worship is for Allah (Alone). But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)

these ayahs are mostly related to defend but most people have taken it in negative ways and starts killing innocents and it is mentioned in these ayahs about fitnah (trying to create problems between people) so people are not doing jihad they are creating fitnah and these people will surely dwell in hell.

[Mohamed Ameziane]

CLynn, on 07 March 2013 - 09:26 PM, said:

Don't you think it would be better if you considered all human beings as brothers?
Salaam.

Yes, however there are exceptions: do you consider netanyahu (or any tirant joining the zionists) as your brother? But my point was to stress sunni-shia unity as it we desperately need it, which unfortunately you did not extract from my post.

[CLynn]

Who do you really serve when you do not accept that all human beings deserve to be treated the same... to be considered brothers in this journey called life?

[Mohamed Ameziane]

CLynn, on 08 March 2013 - 02:03 PM, said:

Who do you really serve when you do not accept that all human beings deserve to be treated the same... to be considered brothers in this journey called life?

I choose the option that you are really sincere to me when you ask that question, if not it only shows that you do not know what empathy is. I consider everyone as my brother, until he/she start opressing and killing  people or he/she keeps treating people in a unjust way. I serve Allah and follow the prophet, may Allah attract me to him much more, ameen.

Does that answer you question?

[CLynn]

Mohamed Ameziane, on 08 March 2013 - 06:51 PM, said:

I choose the option that you are really sincere to me when you ask that question, if not it only shows that you do not know what empathy is. I consider everyone as my brother, until he/she start opressing and killing  people or he/she keeps treating people in a unjust way. I serve Allah and follow the prophet, may Allah attract me to him much more, ameen.

Does that answer you question?

Greetings,

When the government of a country does things that you consider to be unacceptable, does that then make all the people also unacceptable?
If someone of a certain faith does something that to you is unacceptable, does that make all the people of that faith unacceptable?
Would you condemn all the people because of the actions of a few?
Are we not all brothers on this earth and many of us seeking after Truth... the higher power... the one who Created it all... regardless of what some of our leaders may do?
I have a great deal of empathy.  What I seek to know is if others may share that same empathy towards me.
I think what is important is that we are all careful to be sure that what we serve is actual good in this world... that we can actually recognize what is good among all people...
that we are careful to discern and be sure that it is God's good purposes that we serve, and that we are not misled into destroying one another... that would not be serving our Creator, but rather serving the purposes of another.
Salaam.

[Mohamed Ameziane]

CLynn, on 08 March 2013 - 08:27 PM, said:

Greetings,

When the government of a country does things that you consider to be unacceptable, does that then make all the people also unacceptable?
If someone of a certain faith does something that to you is unacceptable, does that make all the people of that faith unacceptable?
Would you condemn all the people because of the actions of a few?
Are we not all brothers on this earth and many of us seeking after Truth... the higher power... the one who Created it all... regardless of what some of our leaders may do?
I have a great deal of empathy.  What I seek to know is if others may share that same empathy towards me.
I think what is important is that we are all careful to be sure that what we serve is actual good in this world... that we can actually recognize what is good among all people...
that we are careful to discern and be sure that it is God's good purposes that we serve, and that we are not misled into destroying one another... that would not be serving our Creator, but rather serving the purposes of another.
Salaam.

You are prejudging and making your own false conclusions about me... Read again what I said, please do your best to understand what I wrote.

[Hoscyan]

CLynn, on 08 March 2013 - 02:30 AM, said:

Two questions;
I have faith, will you consider me a brother?
and,
You think some people deserve to be treated differently than others, that we are not all equal as human beings and creations of God?

We have brotherhood in that which we hold in common, yes; but, with those with whom I have more in common with, there is naturally greater fraternity... same would be the case for you and everyone.  Obviously, in the mundane sense all are equal, but those do good are naturally better than those who don't.  These things, however, can only be ultimately judged by God.  The Divine Law is to regulate man's affairs as per his best interests, period.

[CLynn]

Mohamed Ameziane, on 08 March 2013 - 08:51 PM, said:

You are prejudging and making your own false conclusions about me... Read again what I said, please do your best to understand what I wrote.

Greetings,

" I have a great deal of empathy.  What I seek to know is if others may share that same empathy towards me."

I weep when I see the killing, death, and destruction going on in muslim lands... and in any place in the world.
Would you weep to see the killing, death, and destruction in non-muslim lands?
This is what I seek to know.
Salaam

I am not what my government does.  I am not even what other people are.  I am an individual, as are you, and as is everyone else.

Edited by CLynn, 11 March 2013 - 10:57 PM.

[Mohamed Ameziane]

CLynn, on 11 March 2013 - 10:52 PM, said:

Greetings,

" I have a great deal of empathy.  What I seek to know is if others may share that same empathy towards me."

I weep when I see the killing, death, and destruction going on in muslim lands... and in any place in the world.
Would you weep to see the killing, death, and destruction in non-muslim lands?
This is what I seek to know.
Salaam

I am not what my government does.  I am not even what other people are.  I am an individual, as are you, and as is everyone else.

I love you CLynn, I would defend with my life a person like you. Ofcourse, my hart breaks when I see all the injustice in the world. To stop the injustice, you need to take action against the one who are causing it. Don't you agree? Whe are speaking about Hitlerian kind of oppression here, which ruined the middle east and will culminate in nuclear war. Yes, that is coming dear CLynn.

So, I am not directing at innocent people, I am directing NATO, Saudi government, ... Islam forbids me to do wrong at innocent people, let alone killing them etc. That would be insane and inhuman.

[Mohamed Ameziane]

Yes, I weep when killings happen in non-muslim lands. But honestly, how frequently does that happen in the last 20 years? So it is not about weeping or not, it is about thinking about action and preparing your mind for the time when people fight the great zionist evil which has ruined the world and eventually will cause the nuclear war. The number of deaths in WO1 + 2 compared with the coming nuclear war is peanuts! If you don't believe me, just wait.

Kind regards sister