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[Vigilare]

Rasul, on 23 March 2013 - 05:53 PM, said:

Your link does not lead to question/answer

fixed, thanks.

[Rasul]

Vigilare, on 23 March 2013 - 06:13 PM, said:

fixed, thanks.

The fatwa that you mentioned is not on his main english page (question/answers section) looks like 'test page' made by admin.

[Vigilare]

Rasul, on 23 March 2013 - 06:24 PM, said:

The fatwa that you mentioned is not on his main english page (question/answers section) looks like 'test page' made by admin.

Yes, but that doesn't mean there's a problem with the content.  The point was to show that there's a difference of opinion in the matter, and looking at his other Q&A, he seems to suggest that the Five Infallibles are superior to the Prophets, but doesn't say anything about the later Imams.

[Rasul]

‏حَيْثُ لاَ يَلْحَقُهُ لاَحِقٌ
وَلاَ يَفُوقُهُ فَائِقٌ
وَلاَ يَسْبِقُهُ سَابِقٌ
وَلاَ يَطْمَعُ فِي إِدْرَاكِهِ طَامِعٌ
‏حَتَّى لاَ يَبْقَى مَلَكٌ مُقَرَّبٌ
وَلاَ نَبِيٌّ مُرْسَلٌ

where none can ever reach you
nor can anyone surpass you
nor can anyone ever precede you
No can anyone look forward to reaching your positions
even the favorite Angels went for it
nor the commissioned Prophets

http://www.ziaraat.o...amia_kabeer.php

[Vigilare]

http://www.lankarani...aq/ideology.php

Q2: Is it of the essentials of faith to believe that Imam Ali (a.s.) is superior to all prophets?
A2: No, it is not of the essentials of faith.

Q3: What are the different degrees of prophethood? Imam Ali is not higher in rank than Prophet Muhammad (saws), but he is higher than the other prophets. What is the basis of this claim?
A3: Prophets can be divided into two categories: 1) The Arch-Prophets who were sent on a mission by Allah (swt). They are considered as the prophets of Law and religion. They include Noah , Abraham , Moses , Jesus and Muhammad (saws), whose religions were spread in a wide area at their times. The Last Prophet, Muhammad (saws), is the last of the divine prophets who brought the universal religion, which will remain until the Last Day. There is no prophet after him. 2) The second category includes those prophets who propagated the religions of the Arch-Prophets. The extent of their prophethood and mission was not so great. Imam Ali is higher in rank than other prophets, because of his Imamate, but he is not higher in rank than the Prophet Muhammad (saws), because Muhammad (saws) was both Prophet and Imam and he was the best of all creations.

Ignoring the issue that Ibrahim was also an Imam and a Prophet, it's clear that this view is not in fact an essential part of shia beliefs.  If it were as simple as using the Quran to prove that, then it would be an essential part precisely because of that fact.

[Rasul]

Vigilare, on 23 March 2013 - 07:45 PM, said:

http://www.lankarani...aq/ideology.php

Q2: Is it of the essentials of faith to believe that Imam Ali (a.s.) is superior to all prophets?
A2: No, it is not of the essentials of faith.

Q3: What are the different degrees of prophethood? Imam Ali is not higher in rank than Prophet Muhammad (saws), but he is higher than the other prophets. What is the basis of this claim?
A3: Prophets can be divided into two categories: 1) The Arch-Prophets who were sent on a mission by Allah (swt). They are considered as the prophets of Law and religion. They include Noah , Abraham , Moses , Jesus and Muhammad (saws), whose religions were spread in a wide area at their times. The Last Prophet, Muhammad (saws), is the last of the divine prophets who brought the universal religion, which will remain until the Last Day. There is no prophet after him. 2) The second category includes those prophets who propagated the religions of the Arch-Prophets. The extent of their prophethood and mission was not so great. Imam Ali is higher in rank than other prophets, because of his Imamate, but he is not higher in rank than the Prophet Muhammad (saws), because Muhammad (saws) was both Prophet and Imam and he was the best of all creations.

Ignoring the issue that Ibrahim was also an Imam and a Prophet, it's clear that this view is not in fact an essential part of shia beliefs.  If it were as simple as using the Quran to prove that, then it would be an essential part precisely because of that fact.

His statements that contradict with the statements of Ahl al-Bayt - we simply reject them. As for your "Qiyas" keep it for yourself